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Obama Administration And Embassy Attackers Were Too Coordinated on the "Libya Video" Story
Self | 10/24/2012 | Vanity

Posted on 10/24/2012 12:17:19 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen

Something doesn't smell right.

There were protests or riots in what looks to be perhaps 100 cities around the world.

Every participant, when asked, just parrots "the video". It was reported on September 15 that some in Cairo were paid to protest.

These protests and attacks were obviously coordinated by muslim leaders throughout the world, i.e., what they planned for this 9/11 anniversary. You simply don't get protests in dozens of cities all parroting the same reason, without some coordination and management.

There are thousands of youtube videos that are offensive to islam, and they have been posted for years, so this video is nothing new that is not already out there.

Clearly, the protest organizers planned to use the video as their false flag "offense" that "triggered" protests and at least the protestors were told this; perhaps others were as well.

Now we come to the Admininstration. Some very simple web searching turns up reports that the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, responding to the video which was aired on the Egyptian network al-Nas on September 8, published a statement condemning the video. This is the infamous statement that was no longer available on their website by September 13. Key point: it was posted proactively, before the Cairo protest/attack started. The State Department was aware of at least that protest before it started. How many more were they aware of before they started ?

What really is starting to make me think is that there appears to be no reason for the White House, State Department and CIA to highlight the video as a cause for the Libyan Consulate attack and the consequent murder and/or assassination of Ambassador Stevens, as opposed to saying they were not sure of the cause. Saying you don't know is the standard response until an administration runs things up the management chain and decides on a response. There seems to be even less of a purpose to them sticking with the video in the ensuing weeks. We know now that hundreds in the government received the terror attack emergency broadcast emails in realtime. Everyone in the administration would had to have been aware that they were to keep silent about the emergency email, and simply parrot the "video" story when talking to the news media.

It's almost as if someone had, prior to the attacks, directed throughout the White House, State Departement and CIA that the video was going to be used as the cause. How else could everyone been kept quiet about the emergency emails and simply parrot a lie with the press clamoring for a story ? It's almost as if such phantom order has taken quite some time to be rescinded, as well. The hypothetical order would make sense of why the pResident made the statements he did at the U.N. on September 25, that is, if that was an objective from the start, to get that speech in the media or on the record. Other than that, the speech was spectacularly off the wall, since most everyone by then had discounted the video as a false flag.

Such a hypothetical "outside origin" order is the only scenario that I can think of that would cause the White House, the State Department and the CIA to all speak so irrationally and all in the same parroting fashion.

It also dawned on me that Ambassador Stevens was our "point man" in Libya, and was undboubtedly aware of the movements of various arms and who knows what or who into and out of Libya. It was reported that he had not been to Benghazi for a couple weeks and came in for these meetings scheduled on September 11. The last visitor he saw was a representative from Turkey. Why would the meeting need to take place on the 11th ? Did he select the date or his visitors or his bosses at the State Department ? It did not seem to make much sense to go to the terror hotbed on the anniversary of 9/11 with almost no security against a major attack. It seems about as nonsensical to go there as some cheesy horror film where everyone is yelling at the screen. Why would he go there on that day ? Would or did his State Department bosses tell him to avoid that day and stay in Tripoli ?

He must have thought that he was at the center of everything and knew the players involved and the situation, however, perhaps we should note that Turkey, Syria, Libya and the U.S. all have leaders that could be talking to each other through mediators other than him or perhaps directly. Whatever the Ambassador knew about what was going on, we may never know. His assassination certainly would be a way to ensure his silence if any of the parties involved had desired it. Perhaps having almost no security there for him would a) help ensure the success of the assassination and b) keep the loss of American lives to a small number, which would make it less of an issue than if 20 or 30 were lost additionally.

This does not do the Obama campaign any good unless the attack was thwarted, so it's highly doubtful that the White House had any sway over the attacks prior to them happening. While they may have been forewarned, they certainly were not architected the way the White House would have wanted.

The State Department clearly looks terrible and this does nothing to help any political future for Hitlery.

IMHO, it does not appear that the timing or other details were controlled in any way by the administration. But it's hard to see, with the nonsensical video story - which the left wing media is also dutifully doing everything it can to keep alive (see various left wing websites) - where the administration does not appear to be marching to someone else's orders that seem perfectly orchestrated with media coverage from the moment the video first aired on Egyptian TV.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: benghaziemails; clintons; islam; obama; soros
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1 posted on 10/24/2012 12:17:30 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen
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To: PieterCasparzen
Brian Lilley: The MSM is lying about the muslim riots video 12:01
(Street interviews in Cairo, not about "video.")

2 posted on 10/24/2012 12:18:40 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: PieterCasparzen
ME protests: the hardline 'tele-Islamist' who brought anti-Islam film to Muslim world's attention

...but nobody had paid attention to its crude libels against the Prophet Mohammed until Mr Abdullah's show broadcast clips from it last weekend,... - Sept. 8-9

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Egypt intelligence warns (on Sept 4th) of attacks on Israel, US embassies

Congress was warned about Libya last month

Libyan president: 'No doubt' attack 'preplanned' (Magariaf on Face the Nation)

"It was planned, definitely. It was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago. And they were planning this criminal act since their arrival," Magariaf said.

No demonstration before attack on US Consulate, source says

"The intelligence source said no protests were happening before the attackers struck at about 9:35 p.m. local time last Tuesday. The account backs up claims by a purported Libyan security guard who told McClatchy Newspapers late last week that the area was quiet before the attack."

Source: Slain ambassador Stevens said he was on al Qaeda list

WASHINGTON - In the months leading up to his death, Chris Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya, worried about constant security threats in Benghazi and mentioned that his name was on an al Qaeda hit list, a source familiar with his thinking told CNN.

Report: Never an Anti-American Protest in Benghazi, Only a Planned Attack (CBS Video Report)

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(Ambassador) RICE: -- "was a result, a direct result of a heinous and offensive video that was widely disseminated, that the US government had nothing to do with,..."

U.S. denies premeditation report

"The Obama administration is flatly denying a blaring British newspaper report that the U.S. diplomats in Libya were killed as a result of a “continuing security breach,” and that “credible information” about possible attacks had been ignored. A U.S. official told POLITICO: “There's no intelligence indicating that the attack in Benghazi was premeditated.”"

Obama and Hillary Apologize for Free Speech on Pakistani TV (taxpayer-funded ads)

No doubt about it. There is no intelligence in the 0bama administration.

3 posted on 10/24/2012 12:20:35 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: PieterCasparzen
Glenn Beck - Libya The Real Story
4 posted on 10/24/2012 12:22:24 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: PieterCasparzen

The worldwide muslim hysteria is *orchestrated* by Obama. But people are catching up to what this guy is.


5 posted on 10/24/2012 12:22:35 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Hardraade

He kept mentioning the movie to stoke the rioting. That was obvious to FReepers.


6 posted on 10/24/2012 12:24:16 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Hardraade

You can bet that Susan Rice went on 5 Sunday talk shows with the “spontaneous” lie and that it was orchestrated by the WH.

They’ve told one too many lies and it is blowing up in the news, even CBS has begun wondering.

And Obama has to continue to lie to try and cover his tracks.

Eventually Hillary will despise him (even more) for trying to make it only belong to her.

Just watch.


7 posted on 10/24/2012 12:25:44 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Yeah so of course, everyone just HAD to check out the video for themselves to see what the fuss was about.


8 posted on 10/24/2012 12:26:47 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Hardraade

From what I’ve read, it seems much more like all such activity originates in the Soros revolution factory.

Also, what my post is describing, is that the WH response, IMHO, would seem to indicate that a Soros-like figure is actually simply dropping instructions to Obama these past 4 years.

Obama, IMHO, is “orchestrating” nothing, he’s simply following orders.


9 posted on 10/24/2012 12:30:04 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
He kept mentioning the movie to stoke the rioting. That was obvious to FReepers.

That's what a "communist agitator...err community organizer" does. And in case anyone didn't hear about it in Pakistan they ran an ad. But zero's motivation is obvious but what about Hillary? Why does she stand by for this?

10 posted on 10/24/2012 12:32:21 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: F15Eagle

Hillary is extremely good friends with Soros.

Have you seen all the places Soros has his fingers, and heard some of what he’s said ?

The dude’s right out of a James Bond movie.


11 posted on 10/24/2012 12:32:31 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Hardraade
The worldwide muslim hysteria is *orchestrated* by Obama

He probably thinks he's the 12th Imam - who knows with this guy? He's all over the map. And yes, Obama, we know that you went on an Apology Tour. Your lie doesn't change it.

But before that, you went on another tour....








12 posted on 10/24/2012 12:35:13 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Yeah. Of course those villains wind up meeting MI6.


13 posted on 10/24/2012 12:38:00 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Aria

Hillary is a commie from way back in her college days.


14 posted on 10/24/2012 12:48:09 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: All

Early news reports claimed that an anti-Muslim movie sparked the violence. This could not have legitimately been the cause of spontaneous riots. That evening, some 15 hours after the Egyptian protests began, the “Innocence of Muslims” YouTube trailer, posted way back in July, had garnered only 1,000 views. It should have been viral by then, but it is doubtful that many Muslims had even heard of the film.
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2012100117135/editorial/rsn-pick-of-the-day/innocence-film-a-premeditated-provocation-for-islamic-terror.html


15 posted on 10/24/2012 12:53:13 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: All

At around 6 a.m. on September 11th, well before any protests were launched, the U.S. Embassy in Cairo issued the following statement, now disavowed by the State Department:

“The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims—as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.”

They sent out supporting tweets at 5:53 and 6:10 a.m. stating, “Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy,” and “US Embassy condemns religious incitement.”
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2012100117135/editorial/rsn-pick-of-the-day/innocence-film-a-premeditated-provocation-for-islamic-terror.html


16 posted on 10/24/2012 12:54:27 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

There were protests going on in Cairo on Sept 11th, CNN interviewed and had video of it. The protests were over The Blind Sheikh. There are signs, flags and banners to prove there was an organized protest for the release of the Blind Sheikh. CNN decided not to give us that proof and video but our Canadian neighbor gave it to us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M86ndC4V7EQ

What happened in Libya had nothing to do with the video-NOTHING.

Embassies of ours and others were attacked, people hurt and killed, tons of property damage, shame brought to us— all over a stupid dam* lie. All of the other embassy attacks/protests happened AFTER 9/11 and happened because they heard about this video in the news, because our government used that video as a fig-leaf.

OUR GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA CAUSED MOST ALL OF THIS BY RUNNING WITH A KNOWN LIE.


17 posted on 10/24/2012 12:59:06 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Good post..


18 posted on 10/24/2012 12:59:23 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Barack Hussein Obama, what American would elect a guy with that name less than 10 years after 9-11?)
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To: PieterCasparzen
[. . .a Soros-like figure is actually simply dropping instructions to Obama these past 4 years.]

I've thought the same thing. The war on fossil fuel, the inflation of the currency, ObamaCare, and the perpetuation of the recession, damage the U.S. economy but benefit large investors who are positioned to profit through inside knowledge from the White House.

19 posted on 10/24/2012 1:21:19 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

There is more to the “video” producer too than we have been told. He had some strange ties to some nefarious individuals. I don’t think he was some Coptic just making an anti-Islam video.

I agree with you, this was well orchestrated. The first time I ever heard of Stevens was in reference to him being an “envoy” to the militias fighting in Libya.

Obama said that regular troops would not be put in Libya. He referenced special forces and CIA agents. Well, Stevens wasn’t special forces so that leaves one to believe he was CIA.


20 posted on 10/24/2012 1:21:55 AM PDT by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Here’s the thing, and we’ve known this for a *long* time. Foreseen the milestones, even.

BILL CLINTON is the original Obama-owner. You will note that every Obama admin kingpin is a former Bill Clinton critter.

Now, Soros. Soros is a wholly owned Clinton creature, too. Finance, yes - but he’s under orders.

We (Mesta, to be precise) always predicted that we would see an all out split between the Clintons and their loyalists on one side, and Obama and the ones electing to follow him on the other side. Greg Craig was the Clinton control with Obama, and he split in Jan 2010. From then on, the two factions have been at de facto war.

Bill Clinton is running the left by means of 50 or so different foundations, one of the best known would be Center for American Progress, but these are many and not all obviously connected. And new ones are sprouting almost daily.


21 posted on 10/24/2012 1:29:24 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: PieterCasparzen

And here’s just a quick look at how diverse the Clinton foundations actually are. haven’t checked them today, but that reproductive justice thing is for selecting executives for the central Clinton foundations.

http://www.americanprogress.org/
http://nationalcleanenergyproject.org/
http://boldprogressives.org/ - may have gone off w Obie
http://www.teapartytracker.org/
http://thinkprogress.org/
http://reproductivejustice.org/
http://www.bioneers.org/

There’s a gazillion more ;).


22 posted on 10/24/2012 2:11:43 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: PieterCasparzen

It’s all staged with this moron.

Just like the debate,
Oblamer: “Get the transcript Candy!”
Candy: “Oh me, oh my! I just happen to have it right here in my fat little sweaty hands!”


23 posted on 10/24/2012 2:15:02 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Add the $70,000 Hillary spent trumpeting the cartoonish video, the faux catalyst for this tragedy, all over the MEast. It could almost be said the State Dept and WH were stirring it up for more of the same.

Then the bad guy is giving interviews at a streetside cafe, still in Benghazi, enjoying a slurpee and mocking Obama bluster about bringing the attackers to justice. He said even the local in-charges haven’t troubled him for questioning.

Why is he so unafraid? Curious what is coming next in leaks as this seems big to me and suspect it will have something to do with arms.


24 posted on 10/24/2012 2:59:43 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY)
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To: PieterCasparzen
I was working for the Dept of State (DoS), when the Obama team took control and Hillary took charge, performing information management duties.

The following is an educated guess as to what happened, how it happened, and what the probable motives from a US operational standpoint as I see the administration in its execution of American Interests abroad...

The administration implemented Social Media under the operational control of Public Affairs. This consisted of using each embassy/consulate as a Internet focal point to enlist local nationals from the host country as friends, using Face Book and other media such as Twitter, or whatever the popular alternative was within that country or region.

The Administration utilized Twitter to mobilize its voters in 2008, again in 2010, and transferred the campaigns direct operation control operators into the DoS Public Affairs leadership. They have stood up a major operation using a building adjacent to Main State in DC and it is from there that global operations are contemplated, then farmed out to the local offices.

During my last tour before going into Brazil as an IT guy or what we call a communicator, I was sent to the PA and asked to assist them, unofficially of course, but as a professional courtesy to help the PA folks with their IT problems if they arise. What they asked was nothing out of the ordinary, however, they did try to enlist gage my interest, and being a good State person I knew to feign excitement so that they felt more comfortable in closing the sales pitch to a like minded ally in the field. The crux of Public Affairs operations is that they can do several things, one of which is to FLASH information to subscribers, another to alert Americans in country, and they can stir the pot which is the ultimate goal of PA ops, e.g., influence local opinion.

The US Department of State FLASHED to the Islamic world the VIDEO INSULT and this is where the story grew legs.

Anyone investigating this Administration (Incident) needs to start right across the street from Main State and get those files and the list of people who worked in PA in both DC and within the consulates/embassies. This will expose the ugly truth. The Video story was planted in the local countries to support a narrative. That narrative never was ment to be internally political to the President but for the Country engaged in activities linked to overall US Mid East Policy.

This was a excellent cover for the Gun Running Operation that blew up and if anything the fall out will be minimal as it was probably not illegal to deal with Al Quada affiliates to run guns from Libyas former military into Syria/Lebanon/the Saini, etc. Unless of course the president in his duality role representing America as a practitioner of Islam/Islamic upbringing in those parts of the world is not credible - which I believe today is the case and thus Romney will replace Obama. We gave the War on Terror an Islamic President which during whose tenure Islam failed to grasp the opportunity to work with America; they will now have to deal with another Christian Representative who will have less credibility than Obama had in his upbringing, but through strength Romney and America will no longer coddle Islam as was official US policy the past 4-years. It was all coordinated to give Islam a chance, and they missed that Olive Branch from the Executive Branch. God help them.

This entire State Department (Langley Boys Sp Op) and Public Affairs (can you say sister agency again?) blew up. The Ambassador was not what he appeared, nor was the Consulate manned to handle Counselor Affairs which is the primary function of said missions abroad.

25 posted on 10/24/2012 3:26:50 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: PieterCasparzen; All
Something doesn't smell right.

Post/thread BUMP!

26 posted on 10/24/2012 3:33:42 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Jumper
The US Department of State FLASHED to the Islamic world the VIDEO INSULT and this is where the story grew legs.

Have you tried to contact Rep Issa with this? Your speculation sounds plausible to me. It at least provides some explanation of how a You Tube video that no one had seen suddenly loomed so large.

27 posted on 10/24/2012 3:39:11 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: ari-freedom

I did. It had all of the plot, continuity, and production values of the 8mm film some friends and I put together for a high school class assignment 40 years ago. Anyone that got homicidally outraged by it needs to have his head examined. Seriously.


28 posted on 10/24/2012 4:06:14 AM PDT by Pecos (Double tap: the only acceptable gun control)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Consider the embassy in Cairo apologized BEFORE the demonstration began. The whole thing was coordinated from the White Hut.


29 posted on 10/24/2012 4:11:22 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Jumper
thanks for your courage in speaking out

this does provide an explanation of the seemingly incomprehensible statements by obama, hillary and rice

other than hillary, I wonder if the other 2 are even sophisticated enough to understand the implications of
what they attempted to unleash?

So this operation would be the antithesis of Radio Free Europe or VOA, but a way of rapidly dispersing anti-american propaganda and faux apologia into a volatile arab street. Then in the best Alinksy training, never fail to use a crisis for political gain. Except 4 American embassy workers paid the brutal blood price

(PS: Would that be Maine Avenue, not Main Street?)

30 posted on 10/24/2012 4:12:37 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Hillary and Stanley Ann had some things in common

Plain unremarkable women with emotionally distant daddys,
who compensated by developing an exaggerated sense of their own “intelligence”, scorning the establishment, and picking up audience among similar disaffected losers

the ambitious Hillary scored an ambitious slick talking liberal lawyer politician-wannabe from Arkansas and Stanley slept with any exotic man whom found his way between her legs


31 posted on 10/24/2012 4:19:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Then, of course, there's the twist in the theory that the attack was planned by the US as a hostage taking and that Stevens was to be held and then released through the good efforts of the Great 0bama, an October surprise, if you will. In that scenario, things got out of control and his murder caught everyone flat-footed. Perhaps the plan was to loosly blame the video for tensions leading to hostage taking. There was speculation that we would swap the blind sheik for Stevens.

It makes no sense to me that we would send Stevens anywhere in the region so poorly guarded. The claim that we wanted to posture that terrorism was no longer a threat doesn't hold with me. The voters don't care what happens in Benghazi, and the Press certainly wouldn't have made ANY negative connection to anything 0bama does.

32 posted on 10/24/2012 4:33:56 AM PDT by JustSurrounded (Repeal it all.)
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To: Jumper
So is it conceivable that the fake film maker was hired to dub this offensive video? Obama and Clinton kept saying repeatedly they, as president and Secretary of State had nothing to do with making of the video? Why would either of them have the need to promote said video, but repeatedly claim they as US government did not make the video?
33 posted on 10/24/2012 5:04:02 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: TigersEye
TigersEye . . .it's that CNN link that burns a hole in this administrations cover story.

Recall that CNN had their people on site long before the FBI gained access for their post-attack investigation.

CNN was compelled to defend their report on the contents of the Ambassador's 'diary' which was obtained by CNN's reporters hours after seige.

Earlier speculations about an October surprise involving a pre-planned kidnapping/rescue mission to boost Barry's pre-election foreign policy credentials appear increasingly plausible.

34 posted on 10/24/2012 5:40:58 AM PDT by wtd
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To: PieterCasparzen

Bill Ayers and his fellow terrorist wife are also involved in all of this, too. Remember the Palestinian ship? They were organizing protests aimed at undermining Israel and some of the same people were involved with ginning up the Arab spring in Cairo. I see Ayers at the center of this whole debacle. Where are the investigative reporters? Oh, yes. I remember. They’re all pushing the Big Lie from the Obama Administration.


35 posted on 10/24/2012 5:48:50 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: PieterCasparzen
Ask yourself this....


What was Eric Holder doing in the Middle East at that time?


Hmmmmm....

36 posted on 10/24/2012 5:52:37 AM PDT by haywoodwebb (Keep your focus on the TRUTH and we will prevail . . . One Day at a Time, Mates!)
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To: Just mythoughts; don-o; silverleaf
I have no official knowledge and am only trying to piece together things I have read in the news or in comments here and other conservative sources. My work allowed me to see CHANGE but none of that change was inherently a mysterious or bad thing but rather embracing technology, openly. Based on something someone wrote somewhere about the State Department/Administration sending this information out to the locals in different countries was the basis for the FLASH comment. Seeing that the consulate was not much of an operation or performing traditional functions I am familiar with diplomacy/consulate operations is my belief it was not fully staffed or yet in the actual role of a consulate; maybe they send in counselor officers as needed? My "Theory" that Stevens was not what he appeared is due to something I read this morning that he was the point man for dealing with the opposition forces and securing the Libyan military's equipment for export to Syrian rebels... thru an AQ franchise leader none the less, and arms had gotten out of control of where the US wanted them - then Stevens was appointed Ambassador.... The video was just something all Planners would keep in the card deck to use as needed. Contingency planning and marketing your programs is the name of the game. I do not believe the cover up was meant to blow up in the National Media Stateside but then this is an election year and oftentimes within the Senate/Congressional Committees betrayal happens as payback - hence I believe the current blowback to the Administration. Just as the Dem's used Iran-Contra some well placed Republicans have repaid that small favor. As for the US doing nothing, it does not serve the Nation while at War to comprise our capabilities for surveillance which has now been made public in the press, e.g., by extension of telling the world it was watched in real time and this is the reason no help was sent; had help arrived it would have tipped our hand if in fact it is true the situation was monitored - or - the reason no help arrived was so the entire operation to smuggle arms would disappear along with any loose ends. It is an ugly game on the world stage being exploited in failure to the detriment of the Administration. However if any dealing with AQ is true then that will be interesting to see answered and dealt with as well. My "theory" on Obama being seen as a Muslim or Islamic product in the ME is beneficial to our relations, hence Obamas repeated comments on "his" credibility.... I think Obama was not so much elected but very astutely put into the presidency by "American Interests" to give the Islam world a chance to make amends and play nice; the fact that they have not does allow any more time to lose as has been oft repeated "past four years"; it is therefore time for the Bad Cop to replace the Good Cop in American towards the Islamic world. Romney will take that good will gesture of having Obama preside over our Nation off the table and they will see the Sword of America come screaming down on them like an Eagle from on High.

And no, I do not think the video had any government connection but rather it was a crass attempt to whip up hysteria by Obama's team.

37 posted on 10/24/2012 6:36:39 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: JustSurrounded
Then, of course, there's the twist in the theory that the attack was planned by the US as a hostage taking and that Stevens was to be held and then released through the good efforts of the Great 0bama, an October surprise, if you will.

That would explain the exuberance when Stevens was found alive, that the orders the attackers had to take him alive had been carried out.

In theory, that could be the case. It would just mean that the torturers got a little too carried away, given Steven's smoke inhalation during the fire.
38 posted on 10/24/2012 6:36:43 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: haywoodwebb

Fox reported the trip as being from Qatar to Saudi Arabia to Turkey.

Interestingly, Iran is apparently accepting payment in gold for their oil, since they are out of the SWIFT system.

Reuters reports that Turkish gold apparently has been heading to Iran in exchange for oil and gas. In August, the direct trade apparently fell off because of too much publicity, and Dubai became an intermediary.

I would think that Holder was there trying to put a stop to the flow.

The Assad regime, like the others that were toppled, is targeted simply because all regimes that are not the new muslim revolutionaries are targeted.

At David Horowitz’s site, this article: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977 does a good job of listing many places to read about George Soros’ goals and organizations. Just try taking at a look at things right from the horse’s mouth: visit http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/ or read Georgie’s books, “The Bubble of American Supremacy” and “Open Society: Reforming Global Capitalism”.

He’s been backing revolutions going back to the 1990’s and is well known for his backing of revolutions to effect regime change.

The “Arab Spring” has Soros written all over it, especially since the Democratic “shadow party” he runs includes Hillary and therefore the State Department.

Campaign finance reform was his brainchild and was engineered to enable him to bankroll his media/Democrat influence agenda.

The sheer number of non-profit influence organizations and people employed by them is astounding - these are must-reads; he is the big man behind the 1960’s radicals that have enormous political power at this point. Revolutions will not stop as long as the organizations Soros started continue to successfully operate.


39 posted on 10/24/2012 7:41:17 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Remember; never let a crisis go to waste. In this case, was the crisis created but then went off the rails when our Ambassador was killed?

Who would have benefited (e.g. Obama, the Muslim Brotherhood) and what would those benefits have been (e.g. improve Obama's reelection chances, release of the blind sheik, control criticism of Islam)?

There is indeed much more to this!

40 posted on 10/24/2012 7:55:57 AM PDT by Errant
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To: TigersEye

Instead of trying to take action when there might have been half a chance, they started concocting stories even as they watched the carnage live....


41 posted on 10/24/2012 8:12:16 AM PDT by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: haywoodwebb

Where did that come from? I didn’t know this. Can you point me to an article or whatever so I can find out? Thank you.


42 posted on 10/24/2012 8:44:05 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic
You can start you investigation here...



God bless!

43 posted on 10/24/2012 9:22:10 AM PDT by haywoodwebb (Keep your focus on the TRUTH and we will prevail . . . One Day at a Time, Mates!)
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To: Jumper
And no, I do not think the video had any government connection but rather it was a crass attempt to whip up hysteria by Obama's team.

Thank you very much for your response. I have yet to find a credible explanation why that video was Obama and Clinton's, weapon of choice for mass deception.

44 posted on 10/24/2012 9:48:56 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: Errant; trebb; Jumper

IMHO, the ultimate source of the whole array of attacks/protests for the 9/11 anniversary is the Soros-backed regime-change machine.

Hillary is best buds with Soros. This is from www.discoverthenetworks.org:

“Soros and Mrs. Clinton in particular held one another in the highest esteem. In November 1997, when Hillary was in Central Asia for a ribbon-cutting ceremony at the newly built American University of Kyrgyzstan, she delivered a speech in which she lavished praise on Soros’s Open Society Institute, which had financed the school’s construction.160 One source close to Mrs. Clinton’s inner circle, Center for American Democracy director Rachel Ehrenfeld, reports that Soros visited Hillary at the White House during the Bill Clinton impeachment proceedings of 1998-99, when the First Lady was receiving only her most trusted confidantes.”

So this these 9/11 anniversary attacks were part of his ongoing effort.

Jumper tells us that the State Department / CIA (from their point of view, offficially, not from Soros’ point of view) is on a mission to reach out to muslim revolutionaries.

However, these are the same revolutionaries that Soros groups are working with.

And the State Department is connected to Soros via Hillary and all her minions and cohorts (many) and Soros’ minions (many).

This explains why the State Department and CIA could very plausibly have known about the protests ahead of time, because they are officially teamed up with the protestors. IMHO, it was a case of:

1) Soros orgs and muslim leadership plan attacks
2) Soros orgs notify State of upcoming protests (notice that it does not come from Libyan or muslim sources that Ambassador Stevens would know well - he was not in the loop)
3) Top echelon of CIA may know of the extent of the Soros-Hillary connection, but dutifully they keep their secrets.
4) no State / CIA in Libya are told. This would evidence the extent of the Soros-Hillary connection, that the top levels of State are indirectly working with embassy attackers. Even for CIA, where one must have the “ability to work in ambiguous situations”, this is perhaps a stretch. “Get out now, we’re working with the attackers who will attack the consulate on 9/11/2012” does not sound like it would go over well if many people knew about it.
5) People at State in the know (very few) know about Soros’ long-term plan of reducing American power (this whole operation is treasonous)
6) People at State who are not in the loop (many) think this is legitimate American democracy-building, where we must work with “unsavory characters” for the long-term greater good.
7) Democracy-building is the only official storyline in the deep dark secrets of State / CIA; work with those rebels you can work with to “further American interests”. Sounds deep and dark, but that’s only the top layer.
8) The bottom (real) layer is that Soros is the puppetmaster of both Hillery & Co. as well as the muslim caliphate/brohood, since he deals directly with the leadership of both and provides critical funding and strategic management to both, as well as providing a private communication link between the two that could bypass CIA leadership if CIA’s operatives within State that are actually aware of Hillary-Soros (few ?) have more allegiance to the goals of Soros’ Open Society Institute than to America. Perhaps most just stick their head in the sand and keep doing their job and try not to think about it. I think we see this allegience pattern throughout the Democrat party (i.e., the shadow party) and liberals in government and society in general at every level in the U.S.
9) The muslims perceive a benefit for their “cause” in the PR success of waging all these 9/11 attacks and being able to continue to undermine America
10) The administration has the U.S. news media at their disposal, so they simply have to wash some mud off Hillary and Obama; all in a day’s work for them. Remember the true long-range goals of Obama and Hillary, as New Left minions, is the long-term conversion of America into the vision of the New Left, so anything that harms America’s reputation is a win for them.
11) Perhaps Stevens made his own 9/11 appointments for that fateful day, and Hilster & Co. did not know until too late ? Methinks if Hilster & Co. at State knew ahead of time, they would have called everyone back and emptied the consulate prior to the attack if they wanted to. Perhaps Soros had the plan of the hostage crisis just prior to the election but did not tell Hilster about this. She could be on a need to know basis. So she either knew or didn’t know about Stevens being the target. IMHO, the appointments he had that day were part of the plan. This was the bait that brought him to the Consulate. Bret Bair’s report last Friday told a few bits about that day.
12) It does seem very plausible that if Stevens was taken hostage, the scene would have been set for Obama to have brokered his release just before election day. The foreknowledge hypothesis fits in with the utter lack of emergency response to the emergency emails. A tactical response that saved Stevens would have ended such a scheme much the same as his death did, with no opportunity to save him. This also fits in with the apparent happiness of the attackers at finding Stevens barely alive, if they had been ordered to take him alive. The “smoke-out” tactic was also aimed at bringing Stevens out alive; Stevens just did not cooperate and come running out right away. They apparently did not know that he needed immediate medical attention, perhaps their reported fun and games with him went a bit too far. In any case, once Stevens was confirmed dead, Hillery and Obama would have known that the operation failed. Once the operation started, the “command communication” from Soros would probably have to go quiet for a bit to be safe. After it failed, they would only have the planned cover story, the video, along with orders from the boss to stick to that story. This would exlain why this story persisted for so long. While advanced planning would be fairly easy, as it uses a distributed operational model, Soros’ network probably does not give him the capability to pick up the phone and instantly rescind prior orders. Editors of individual newspapers, talking heads, politicians, etc., would all operate on their own on a need to know basis. Hundreds or thousands of cancel messages can’t go out at the same time without it being noticed that everyone changed their tune at the same time. Hillary and Obama, not being very smart or creative, simply dutifully followed orders and kept trotting out the original video cover story. They were even so dumb as to say in the same sentence that a) they can’t jump to conclusions and b) it was the video and c) it was not terrorism. “It was the video but we’re still investigating”. They all knew they sounded nuts, but obviously they dare not go off script.

IMHO.

Transmit to Vladimr at once !


45 posted on 10/24/2012 10:00:01 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: haywoodwebb

Thank you very much, haywoodwebb!


46 posted on 10/24/2012 10:40:56 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: wtd
A lot of things burn holes in the coverup story. I don't buy the kidnapping theory though for these reasons. Sending 120 - 200 heavily armed jihadis to attack two compounds to kidnap someone doesn't make sense. A small team could accomplish that much better by taking the target in a car outside the compound. Or even in the compound.

When they got inside and couldn't break into the safe room they set the place on fire. If you're there to kidnap someone you don't try to burn them to death. You don't fire mortars and RPGs towards your kidnap target unless you know exactly where that target is and you can shoot at his security with confidence that you won't hit him.

I think the jihadis had two goals both of which fit with the kind of attack that occurred. One, they simply wanted to drive us out of Libya. They had been working on it steadily for over a year getting bolder and bolder every day. Two, there was a lot of intel on our people and operations there and the only way to get it was to completely overrun both compounds and thoroughly search them.

US Intelligence Suffers Major Compromise in Libya ("catastrophic intelligence loss" US official)

47 posted on 10/24/2012 10:46:01 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: trebb

It’s horrible to imagine that but it seems to be the case.


48 posted on 10/24/2012 10:51:33 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Aria

Well, Huma Abedin just bought a $3.3 MILLION dollar home with her loser husband Anthony Weiner. Makes you wonder WHERE HUMA IS GETTING ALL THIS MONEY!!!! She is probably being funded by the Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR, etc TO SABOTAGE OUR FOREIGN POLICY AND IMPLEMENT SHARIA LAW WHEREVER AND WHENEVER POSSIBLE.


49 posted on 10/24/2012 11:54:16 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: TigersEye
Sending 120 - 200 heavily armed jihadis to attack two compounds to kidnap someone doesn't make sense. A small team could accomplish that much better by taking the target in a car outside the compound. Or even in the compound.

That's the way we work. The jihadist MO has always been to do what they did, never to send in a small team of experts. Remember the "students" in the Carter hostage crisis.

When they got inside and couldn't break into the safe room they set the place on fire. If you're there to kidnap someone you don't try to burn them to death.

They used diesel fuel, not gasoline. IMHO, they assumed Stevens would unlock the gate and come out. They did not want to shoot inside for risk of even a richochet killing him. No shots fired, just a "smoke-out".

You don't fire mortars and RPGs towards your kidnap target unless you know exactly where that target is and you can shoot at his security with confidence that you won't hit him.

This I agree does not fit at first glance, but the mortars did not completey destroy the building. Could have been, in their wacky minds, just an attempt to scare him into coming out, and they selected firepower that would not be enough to flatten the entire building, just make a big bang to flush him out. Photos I've seen show a building with smoke damage on the top half, but other than that a building in surprisingly good shape (as on http://www.dailymail.co.uk).

As far as political appointees at State Dept / CIA are concerned, it's fairly well documented that State / CIA are working with jihadis to overthrow governments and that Libya was one such effort. The administration has publicly stated they supported the Libyan uprising.

For the administration to not then be forewarned by the organizers of the jihadi attack - on it's own Consulate - would mean that we are simply stupidly blundering through and the attack was a cowboy action by jihadi leadership on their own. Such an attack was against the very contacts who were helping them. This is like enlisting the aid of some mobsters, knocking over a few stores with their help, then turning on them and robbing the mobster's own business and killing a capo and three of their soldiers !

The "stupid State and CIA" theory is rather weak, I think, though plausible - except for a few other facts:

1) Soros organization involvement in Arab spring is clear

2) Hillery's ties to Soros and shared ideologly with him are well-documented

3) Soros ideology and intentions are well documented

4) There was zero attempt by State Dept / CIA to "clean up the mess" by going in and saving their guys and thereby lessening the fallout. There was far more fallout because the 4 men died than if the 4 men had been saved. Saving the 4 men would have made Obama and Hillary look like heroes. Makes no sense to me that the administration did not scramble a team given that they had hours to do so. For every other administration, this would have been something managed in the situation room until it was concluded.

In general, I find the "violent mob" scenario to be mythical. Americans and foreigners are in the mideast all the time, yet the attacks come here and there. It's not like every Westerner who sets foot in the mideast is killed. This, IMHO, points to a restraint on supposed "mobs" which shows signs that there are organizers with control over the "mobs". Attacks, as far as I can gather, always seem to be specific targets, sanctioned by leaders, planned and executed, most definitely not random events born out of uncontrolled rage.
50 posted on 10/24/2012 12:21:56 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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