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In violent urban survival scenario… violence is the easy part.
SHTF School ^ | 10/23/12 | Sleco

Posted on 10/24/2012 6:07:11 PM PDT by Kartographer

When times are hard, people show all kinds of their characteristics, or faces, or real face, call it whatever you like.

That is another reason why it is not so popular to talk or write in details about that time. Some people did bad things and survived, or good things and died, or people just acted strange in that time.

Again a lot of combinations. People later do not want to discuss about that, they do not want to remember that. Over the time man can really force himself to believe that he did not do some things, even if he did them.

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: preparedness; preppers; than2receive; tismoereblessed2give
When Selco speaks wise preppers listen.
1 posted on 10/24/2012 6:07:11 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers PING!!


2 posted on 10/24/2012 6:08:44 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I’ve said often having the “stuff” you need is only part. A big part is having the mindset to get through it.

Hunger can bring out the worst in people, but so can many other things. What about extreme sleep deprivation? Heat or cold, or wet and being unable to get warm? Unfamiliar circumstances and places?

And as much as we can complain about our sundry humdrum predictable lives, what about extreme unpredictability?

All of these factors will stress people. And a person under stress is more likely to make a mistake.


3 posted on 10/24/2012 6:28:47 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: Kartographer

When old Ben was little, Pappa Lurkin used to say “Shoot first and ask questions later”, and Pappa knew of what he spoke.


4 posted on 10/24/2012 6:30:20 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Kartographer

I posted on the article a few times.


5 posted on 10/24/2012 6:34:47 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Kartographer

Good article. Have to think what it would be like here. “Hoarders” will likely be hunted. Keep it to yourself!


6 posted on 10/24/2012 6:54:45 PM PDT by MtnClimber (I did not vote for Zero. Someone else did that.)
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Someone the other day described what’s happening perfectly; they said it’s like being in a car wreck you are driving along you see a car coming at you he’s not stopping for the red light there’s no place for you to go you know for sure he is going to hit you and then everything slows down like a scene from some action movie the car coming seems to be crawling you can even see the surprise on the other drivers face. When he hits you the flying glass seems to hang in the air for a second and all the time there ain’t a damn thing you can do, but pray you survive.

Personally I we will see something much like the collapse of Argentina ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yerKMQc7-w&feature=grec_index )but on a global scale.

As far as the election either way it goes I believe we will soon see social unrest, the closer the election gets the more things will become like walking a mine field and a miss step and things can and will exploded.

Despite the CDC’s tongue and cheek presentation for National Preparedness Month, there really are Zombies, just not the kind from George A. Romero films. They have been fed from the Government’s stash and walked among us for years now and many have been caught on film, but it was in a movie it was for real:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4F8ob9nlfY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Ykj92c9v8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnpqBb_7PJ4

These and many more like events show (Flash Mobs, OWS, etc) that we have a large entitlement minded population that is violent prone. I think that during a collapse you will see many small businesses wiped out by flash mob looting, and once started it will quickly spread to rape, robbery and murder for murder sake. You will see what I call ‘pocket pogroms’ and if you ain’t ‘Amish’ you better not be around when they come.

Already some cities that are or have gone broke the zombies numbers are going like Detroit:

Enter At Your Own Risk: Police Union Says ‘War-Like’ Detroit Is Unsafe For Visitors

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/10/06/enter-at-your-own-risk-police-union-says-war-like-detroit-is-unsafe-for-visitors/

And not just big blue cities. Here’s a story about Stockton California:

Murder, Rape, Robbery and Assault Skyrocket In Bankrupt Stockton, California

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/murder-rape-robbery-and-assault-skyrocket-in-bankrupt-stockton-california_10242012

Much of what we are starting to see has been predicted by the author of this article about what we can look forward to:

When The Music Stops – How America’s Cities May Explode In Violence

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2926391/posts

Many of these ‘zombies’ will think no more about killing you to get ‘stuff’ than zombies in the lastest horror flick and do it just as gruesomely as any of the worse scenes in those same movies.

Many of you who have read my post know I often refer to this quote from Star Trek Deep Space Nine: “Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)

Quark: “Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.”

It has repeated been shown throughout history that this is what happens to people once placed under such stressful conditions and yet you would be surprised how many people don’t realize the transformations that can take place under such conditions. And because of their ignorance many won’t even live long learn.

If you want to learn what happens I suggest you read some of Selco’s firsthand experiences in Bosnia:

A Survival Q & A: Living Through SHTF In The Middle Of A War Zone

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2798007/posts

Clearly there’s a storm coming, as great as a hurricane and like you do when a hurricane comes your way you either prepare to weather it or you become a victim of it.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf

NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.
As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.
Underestimation can be fatal.”


7 posted on 10/24/2012 7:11:19 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Lazamataz; Kartographer

Having a hell of a time posting here, last few days.

Very sentient article. On the internet everyone’s a badass- he brings to light a phenomenon some warriors( I don’t consider myself one)have reported.

Our lives are typically a grinding regimen of dull routine punctuated by defining moments or even seconds.

Everyone has weak spots, but together we may make a family, a community, or a nation.


8 posted on 10/24/2012 7:12:36 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: MtnClimber

I think a certain percentage of people will get violent very quickly. Others will be forced to respond in like fashion or die.


9 posted on 10/24/2012 7:14:51 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Different perspective, but he knows what he is talking about.


10 posted on 10/24/2012 7:27:08 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Kartographer
I believe women have an edge over men when it comes to bad smells and dealing with sights of sick people, even people dying in front of their eyes and they care for this person until death, watching that death process day after day.

Women are generally the “cleaners” whether it is baby poop or grown up poop of sick people (which would be wounded people as well in a SHTF situation). Women are generally the “nurses” as well, bandaging oozing wounds, cleaning wounds, treating wounds, etc. – seeing bad sights. It usually starts with our children and we learn to deal with it – turn off our smell receptors and clean the child after bowel movements - do what must be done. Men generally turn away from this task. It seems men have difficulty with bad smells. Now, I know some of you men will say nothing phases you, and if that is true, good for you.

Dealing with the sound of gun fire and mortars hitting, is different than smells. I have never screamed in my life. Screaming takes time. If it’s an emergency, I’m moving, not wasting time screaming. I have been in two car wrecks, and moving quickly was a good thing. On one occasion, the car had turned over and dumped me in the back seat. My skirt was caught on something and I could small gasoline but couldn’t move – my brain said, “GET OUT!”. I started ripping the skirt and when it let go, I went out a window and got away from the car. I had on half a skirt at that time. That skirt was fairly heavy material and I’m sure it was adrenalin that allowed me the strength to rip it quickly.

I know if I heard gun fire or mortars hitting, I would be thinking of my next move – the direction of the sound would cause me to move or stay still. It would be great to have a he-man around who knew what to do, but I don’t count on anyone but myself knowing what to do. Maybe the many mortars would freak me out, but I’ll be thinking about that so it won’t be the first time I considered it. I think mental planning, going through situations in your mind, what you would do first and next, etc. is life saving practice.

11 posted on 10/24/2012 7:54:08 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: Kartographer; JRandomFreeper
I believe women have an edge over men when it comes to bad smells and dealing with sights of sick people, even people dying in front of their eyes and they care for this person until death, watching that death process day after day.

Women are generally the “cleaners” whether it is baby poop or grown up poop of sick people (which would be wounded people as well in a SHTF situation). Women are generally the “nurses” as well, bandaging oozing wounds, cleaning wounds, treating wounds, etc. – seeing bad sights. It usually starts with our children and we learn to deal with it – turn off our smell receptors and clean the child after bowel movements - do what must be done. Men generally turn away from this task. It seems men have difficulty with bad smells. Now, I know some of you men will say nothing phases you, and if that is true, good for you.

Dealing with the sound of gun fire and mortars hitting, is different than smells. I have never screamed in my life. Screaming takes time. If it’s an emergency, I’m moving, not wasting time screaming. I have been in two car wrecks, and moving quickly was a good thing. On one occasion, the car had turned over and dumped me in the back seat. My skirt was caught on something and I could small gasoline but couldn’t move – my brain said, “GET OUT!”. I started ripping the skirt and when it let go, I went out a window and got away from the car. I had on half a skirt at that time. That skirt was fairly heavy material and I’m sure it was adrenalin that allowed me the strength to rip it quickly.

I know if I heard gun fire or mortars hitting, I would be thinking of my next move – the direction of the sound would cause me to move or stay still. It would be great to have a he-man around who knew what to do, but I don’t count on anyone but myself knowing what to do. Maybe the many mortars would freak me out, but I’ll be thinking about that so it won’t be the first time I considered it. I think mental planning, going through situations in your mind, what you would do first and next, etc. is life saving practice.

12 posted on 10/24/2012 8:02:31 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: Kartographer

Sorry for the double post. It just stayed there forever, so I stuck Johnny’ name on there and hit post again and got two of them.

This site has been very slow today or it is me, takes forever to move around on the forum.


13 posted on 10/24/2012 8:05:32 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: Kartographer

Excellent articles. Another thing I might add is that preppers should try to expand their plans to include “what if” scenarios to prepare themselves mentally for decisions that must be made instantaneously .... hesitation will kill. I have read many SHF books and the one good thing I can say that I got from all of them (no matter how poor some of them were written) were scenarios or situations that I had not been aware of and which I could then anticipate and plan or prepare for mentally or physically.


14 posted on 10/24/2012 8:23:03 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: Marcella
I'm perfectly happy to have wimmenz around to handle wounded and bratlings. I can do it, but I'm not happy about it. I managed to never once change a grandchild's diaper.

The sound of gunfire, cannonfire (especially A-10 cannonfire) and the krump of other assorted arty and mortars, gives me a warm fuzzy, generally. I grew up around it. Jets screaming overhead also tend to make me grin, and I can't control that.

You do what you do when stuff goes south. Some scream and shout, some work the problem. You never know until you have been through it.

I do know that me and Jesus are ok with me bleeding out on the side of a mountain during a blizzard.

I highly disrecommend the experience, though. A kidney turning into pulp because of blunt trauma leaves you unable to even scream.

/johnny

15 posted on 10/24/2012 8:24:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Do you think the cold kept you from bleeding more?


16 posted on 10/24/2012 8:38:10 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

“I have read many SHF books and the one good thing I can say that I got from all of them (no matter how poor some of them were written) were scenarios or situations that I had not been aware of and which I could then anticipate and plan or prepare for mentally or physically.”

Me, too.


17 posted on 10/24/2012 8:40:31 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"I managed to never once change a grandchild's diaper."

I bet they are hoping the same about changing yours! ;-)
18 posted on 10/24/2012 9:16:35 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: MtnClimber
Good article. Have to think what it would be like here. “Hoarders” will likely be hunted. Keep it to yourself!

I transcribed conversations from a focus group of liberals in which a discussion on the proper role of government turned to SHTF. The consensus was that if shortages occur in a social breakdown, the hardships caused by empty stores would be the fault of hoarders who take more than their share. Their conclusion was that the correct response would be for government to take back any excess that hoarders take from the community. Since the government is the people, if the governmental structure is not functioning enough to do their job, then individuals and groups have the right to take any excess back from hoarders. To the extent that liberals think, they side with the zombie horde.

19 posted on 10/25/2012 2:46:20 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Marcella

Excellent point. Gender roles exist for a reason...I believe we’re just simply ‘hard-wired’ that way.


20 posted on 10/25/2012 4:41:27 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around.")
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To: djf
"Little minds are tamed and subdued by misfortune; but great minds rise above them."
– Washington Irving

21 posted on 10/25/2012 6:29:52 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 1)
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To: Pollster1
To the extent that liberals think, they side with the zombie horde.

Then, when they try to implement this flawed thought process, they will die just like the zombie hoard.

22 posted on 10/25/2012 6:33:56 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 1)
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To: Marcella
I'm glad you brought up sound. I've noticed a new (and fairly odd) behavior I seem to have acquired and I was curious to know if anyone else has experienced it.

What used to be rather ordinary and benign noises are bringing me to a moment of stark attention.

Odessa is on a particular flight path for the military. There is also the CAF nearby and a civilian airport, etc.

Until recently, the occasional rumblings and sounds of aircraft overhead hardly drew my attention.

But now, especially at home when it is quite otherwise, I get a sensation that could best be described as “fight or flight”, like an ultra awareness. For the moments it takes the aircraft noise to fade, I'm telling myself how stupid I am for being so paranoid.

But it happens every time nonetheless. Weird. Is it too much coffee?

23 posted on 10/25/2012 6:42:03 AM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: KittenClaws

It’s probably your spidey feelings that something is coming so your senses are heightened. More military aircraft and changes in their flight schedules have alterted you that it’s not the norm.

As for soiling his pants. Big deal. Clean is up and get on with business. A momentary laspe shouldn’t throw the entire plan out the window.


24 posted on 10/25/2012 8:12:22 AM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the time of no return?)
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To: KittenClaws
“What used to be rather ordinary and benign noises are bringing me to a moment of stark attention.”

Do you think the sounds have gotten louder than they used to be?

Three possibilities:
1. Age - how old are you? Seniors tend to go two ways with sound - they lose hearing or their hearing is super sensitive and sounds become louder than they are, causing them to jump at loud sounds.
2. Fibromyalgia - excess electricity originates in the brain and nerves go nuts with excess power causing pain everywhere and nerves involved in hearing become super sensitive and the person jumps at sounds that wouldn't bother people without fibromyalgia.
3. You are so involved in thinking of disaster that may be coming, you have become super sensitive to sound, as in “Is this the big one?”.

Have a talk with your brain, assuring your brain that loud sound will not hurt you - that it is normal for you to hear that. Tell yourself you get a treat when the next loud sounds come - like a special drink or cake or something you would like and you can't have it until the loud sounds happen.

25 posted on 10/25/2012 8:14:46 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: Marcella

Do you think the sounds have gotten louder than they used to be?

Three possibilities:
1. Age - how old are you? Seniors tend to go two ways with sound - they lose hearing or their hearing is super sensitive and sounds become louder than they are, causing them to jump at loud sounds.
2. Fibromyalgia - excess electricity originates in the brain and nerves go nuts with excess power causing pain everywhere and nerves involved in hearing become super sensitive and the person jumps at sounds that wouldn’t bother people without fibromyalgia.
3. You are so involved in thinking of disaster that may be coming, you have become super sensitive to sound, as in “Is this the big one?”.

Have a talk with your brain, assuring your brain that loud sound will not hurt you - that it is normal for you to hear that. Tell yourself you get a treat when the next loud sounds come - like a special drink or cake or something you would like and you can’t have it until the loud sounds happen.
________________

Thanks for your reply. The noise is no louder than before, but they seem more - ominous. I don’t actually jump or feel pain, so that leaves out 2, but 1 and 3 sound reasonable. I am over 55, and I have become more aware of what I’ve may be “prepping” for.

Perhaps a big bowl of homemade mac and cheese. . .


26 posted on 10/25/2012 8:38:37 AM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: KittenClaws

“...but they seem more - ominous.”

Okay, that seems to be you have become “frightened” about a coming disaster that could happen at any minute. How logical is that? Not very - it is an outside possibility something would happen suddenly.

Let’s suppose it did happen suddenly. You have preps so you can handle creating your own personal world when the rest of the world collapses. Instead of becoming “up tight” about a disaster, consider your preps - what could you do in the way of preps to make you feel better about being prepared for the collapse of your outside world?

I have prepped to create my own world regardless of what happens to the world as a whole, this country, my state, my county, my town. Try to take that attitude and work on your preps so you don’t care if the outside world collapses as you created your own world - to hell with the rest of the world, you will be fine. Repeat those phrases often.

Please email me a bowl of homemade mac and cheese the next time the sounds come.
Marcella


27 posted on 10/25/2012 9:51:11 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: KittenClaws

“...but they seem more - ominous.”

Okay, that seems to be you have become “frightened” about a coming disaster that could happen at any minute. How logical is that? Not very - it is an outside possibility something would happen suddenly.

Let’s suppose it did happen suddenly. You have preps so you can handle creating your own personal world when the rest of the world collapses. Instead of becoming “up tight” about a disaster, consider your preps - what could you do in the way of preps to make you feel better about being prepared for the collapse of your outside world?

I have prepped to create my own world regardless of what happens to the world as a whole, this country, my state, my county, my town. Try to take that attitude and work on your preps so you don’t care if the outside world collapses as you created your own world - to hell with the rest of the world, you will be fine. Repeat those phrases often.

Please email me a bowl of homemade mac and cheese the next time the sounds come.
Marcella


28 posted on 10/25/2012 9:51:35 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: Marcella
I know it's not logical, and I can't say it is frightening, just ominous. The aircraft are real - I live close to an air museum with active WWII planes as well as being in a flight path for military aircraft. This is just a new reaction to them.

And it will happen again, so this is for you!

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29 posted on 10/25/2012 10:25:34 AM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Marcella
I know it's not logical, and I can't say it is frightening, just ominous. The aircraft are real - I live close to an air museum with active WWII planes as well as being in a flight path for military aircraft. This is just a new reaction to them.

And it will happen again, so this is for you!

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30 posted on 10/25/2012 10:38:11 AM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Kartographer

Did you see this?

scary in the wrong hands.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/10/25/boeing-successfully-tests-microwave-missile-that-takes-out-electronic-targets/

The is a small scale EMP-delivery system.


31 posted on 10/25/2012 10:56:37 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Kartographer
Thanks for posting. Lots to seriously consider there for people who haven't considered it. If the SHTF, things will be anything BUT normal, and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Failing that preps are good, skills are vital, but the ability to adapt, improvise, and endure are paramount.

32 posted on 10/25/2012 11:45:42 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Blueflag

Time to consider faraday cages...


33 posted on 10/26/2012 12:02:11 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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