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Hurricane Sandy: advice from a hurricane person

Posted on 10/28/2012 4:27:40 PM PDT by eastexsteve

I hope none of you folks are in the path of Sandy. But, if you are, there are some things you need to consider.

It's only a cat 1 storm. There will be some high wind. But, nothing you can't ride out in a STURDY building. But, you WILL lose power. Perhaps for days. If you live on the coast, all bets are off. Get out now.

What you will see out of this storm is torrential rains and flooding. Prepare for it. Even if it means evacuating. If you decide to stay, make sure you and your car are on high ground. You will see water in places you never imagined.

If you invest in a generator, make sure you have enough fuel to last you for several days. Even a 5000 watt generator can use almost a gallon of fuel per hour under a full load. Plan on running it sporadically during the power outage. A few hours on and off will keep your fridge and freezer cool enough. And, small generators are also known to consume engine oil. Have a couple of spare quarts on hand. Remember, electricity and water are a bad combination.

Have plenty of food on hand that you don't have to cook. You might be without power for days. The power company will not begin repairs until after the storm has passed.

You will need water, and plenty of it. Drinking water is just part of it. Fill up every bathtub in the house. You may need to dip water out of it to manually flush your toilets. Make sure everyone in the house takes a bath/shower before the storm hits. Make sure all the laundry is done.

Batteries, flashlights, lanterns, and candles. 'nuff said.

Make sure your vehicles are full of gas. Even if you don't go anywhere, you may need them to recharge cell phones, listen to the radio, and even get in out of the cold. But, for gosh sakes, don't sit in a running car inside a garage! And, don't cook on a camp stove in the house!

I don't know about the northeast, but after a torrential hurricane down here in the south, the mosquitoes and flies are merciless.

Protect yourself. Disasters like hurricanes bring out the vermin (both two and and four-legged variety.)


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1 posted on 10/28/2012 4:27:45 PM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: eastexsteve

im in ct. we hould be reasonably ok. its people south of us who are in real danger


2 posted on 10/28/2012 4:31:56 PM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: eastexsteve

I’ve got a natural gas generator and junk food, so I’m good. The two biggest problems I have is my husband being home for two more days and the dogs not wanting to go out in the rain. This will drive me crazy. I generally love Mondays.


3 posted on 10/28/2012 4:33:20 PM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: eastexsteve

There was a great podcast on www.thesurvivalpodcast.com recently about how to keep your food cold in a power outage.

After you lose power, wrap the fridge in sleeping bags, blankets, etc. to keep it cold. Unwrap once or twice a day to take out the food you will need and then re-wrap.

Get an inverter of about 800-1000 watts. Most new fridges run on less than 750 watts. Use your car battery while idling the engine and an extension cord to run the fridge for a couple of hours per day. Keep unwrapped when you have power so the fridge can dump the heat.

This approach using an inverter is way cheaper than running a generator.

Sorry I did not have time to provide a link.


4 posted on 10/28/2012 4:34:57 PM PDT by darth
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To: eastexsteve

Architecture in the Northeast doesn’t understand horizontal rain like we do in the South. Snow loads? You bet. but driven rain, sideways, for 3 hours? Nope. It’s gonna seep around window seals and door jambs, etc.

If you put water up against a NJ/ NY/ CT residential structure at 40-50 MPH for 3-5 hours, and it is gonna get in. Too much hydraulic pressure, and too many gaps/ weaknesses in the seals and structure.


5 posted on 10/28/2012 4:39:01 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: eastexsteve

NIce.... thanks for the good post.


6 posted on 10/28/2012 4:42:21 PM PDT by Heff (Half this country is that stupid.)
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To: eastexsteve
I don't know about the northeast, but after a torrential hurricane down here in the south, the mosquitoes and flies are merciless.

This is one thing I'm not worried about with Sandy.

7 posted on 10/28/2012 4:44:49 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: eastexsteve

Good advise ets. Florida native here bro!


8 posted on 10/28/2012 4:47:27 PM PDT by poobear (Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: eastexsteve

What do you suggest for Manhattan residents living on high floors?

At least our electricity comes through underground cables.


9 posted on 10/28/2012 4:49:50 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: darth

Great tip thanks


10 posted on 10/28/2012 4:51:40 PM PDT by STD (“Cogito, ergo armatum sum)
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To: proxy_user

Stay out of the elevators.


11 posted on 10/28/2012 4:53:39 PM PDT by madison10
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To: poobear

I have an inverter here, and a bunch of flashlights. I took about 25 empty 2 liter soda bottles and filled them up 3/4’s with water and put them in each of our 3 freezers (two fridge, and one chest). They will help keep them cool if the power goes out and can also be tossed in coolers and when they melt, they can be refrozen or used as non-potable water.

If you have an icemaker in your fridge, dump ice into those plastic grocery bags we all save and put them in the freezer and keep the ice machine working until the storm. You still have time to get a couple bags of ice that way.

Hunker down! :)


12 posted on 10/28/2012 4:54:26 PM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: proxy_user

Maybe criss crossing a lot of duct tape on your windows? I’ve seen that done before.


13 posted on 10/28/2012 4:54:35 PM PDT by randita
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To: eastexsteve

They've just announced the bay might meet the Atlantic Ocean.

Based on past experience, when a storm hits at high tide during a full moon, the bay will meet the ocean.

14 posted on 10/28/2012 4:55:08 PM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: randita

Another tip, take pictures of your house so you have before/after shots should there be any damage.


15 posted on 10/28/2012 4:56:03 PM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: darth
Get an inverter of about 800-1000 watts

What's an inverter? My main concern when the power goes out is the sump pump in my finished basement........I've considered buying a small gasoline powered generator but haven't gotten around to it.

16 posted on 10/28/2012 4:56:57 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

An inverter converts DC power to AC.. You can hook it to a 12v battery..


17 posted on 10/28/2012 4:59:50 PM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: eastexsteve

And don’t drive through flooded roads!


18 posted on 10/28/2012 5:01:00 PM PDT by knak (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Today my husband rigged up a garden hose and a plastic storage container, so if the sump pump goes out, we just have to bail water from the sump into the container, and the hose will carry it to the utility sink and out. In theory.

But, years ago when the snow melt started flooding the basement, he did a similar hose rig and it worked fine, so....

Maybe it's my cynicism, but I'm just not that worried. I think this storm is at least 75% hype.

19 posted on 10/28/2012 5:01:21 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Blueflag

but driven rain, sideways, for 3 hours? Nope. It’s gonna seep around window seals and door jambs, etc.

If you put water up against a NJ/ NY/ CT residential structure at 40-50 MPH for 3-5 hours, and it is gonna get in. Too much hydraulic pressure, and too many gaps/ weaknesses in the seals and structure.

**
ha — keep telling this to my daughter in Hoboken ...oh,she’s not the slightest bit worried, cuz it’s only a Cat 1 ...she just doesn’t get what the flooding and water will be like.

Can’t get it through to these kids ...


20 posted on 10/28/2012 5:04:38 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Beach_Babe

What is this a photo of???


21 posted on 10/28/2012 5:05:04 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: eastexsteve
My advice is to relax. Prepare prudently but don't go nuts. The NHC is reporting hurricane force winds using some kind of government magic.
DATA FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INDICATE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE INTENSITY OF SANDY HAS OCCURRED THIS AFTERNOON...AND THE CENTRAL PRESSURE HAS REMAINED NEARLY STEADY AT 951-952 MB SINCE THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY. PEAK 700 MB FLIGHT-LEVEL WINDS OF 78 KT WERE MEASURED IN THE SOUTHERN QUADRANT...BUT NO SFMR-ADJUSTED SURFACE WINDS OF HURRICANE FORCE WERE DETECTED IN ANY QUADRANT. HOWEVER...GIVEN THE EXTREMELY LARGE WIND FIELD OF SANDY...IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE AIRCRAFT MISSED SOME OF THE POCKETS OF STRONGER SURFACE WINDS. THEREFORE...THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS BEING MAINTAINED AT 65 KT.

22 posted on 10/28/2012 5:05:27 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: workerbee

Don’t rely on it being hype, I hope you keep your eyes on the weather channel. Went through Hugo (cat 5) in the 80s. Not something to discount.


23 posted on 10/28/2012 5:17:25 PM PDT by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: proxy_user

The tunnels NYC underground cables run along could be flooded. Thereby knocking out power.


24 posted on 10/28/2012 5:19:06 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative
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To: eastexsteve

BTTT


25 posted on 10/28/2012 5:19:13 PM PDT by foxfield
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To: Blueflag
“Architecture in the Northeast doesn’t understand horizontal rain like we do in the South. Snow loads? You bet. but driven rain, sideways, for 3 hours? Nope. It’s gonna seep around window seals and door jambs, etc. If you put water up against a NJ/ NY/ CT residential structure at 40-50 MPH for 3-5 hours, and it is gonna get in. Too much hydraulic pressure, and too many gaps/ weaknesses in the seals and structure.”

This is true. I'm from Texas. Hurricane Ike was very strong and wide and my town is 100 miles north of Galveston where it came in - didn't matter - the winds were sideways in my town and it went on for many hours.

After it passed, I accidentally found water on my stone floor under a kitchen window. That window was locked solidly down - didn't matter - the sideways wind forced itself under that seal and water was on the floor.

Have been through two other hurricanes here before Ike and didn't have the window water problem. Anyway, the next time I will put padding against that window to soak up water so it doesn't get on the wood window sill and floor.

Sideways rain, have seen plenty of it.

26 posted on 10/28/2012 5:23:13 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: proxy_user
What do you suggest for Manhattan residents living on high floors? At least our electricity comes through underground cables.

The higher you are, the higher the winds, and if it floods in you area, those underground cables will be under water.

27 posted on 10/28/2012 5:24:53 PM PDT by Florida native
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To: LibsRJerks

My kid’s at McGuire. Same story.

Guess they gotta live through it a time or two.

Sigh


28 posted on 10/28/2012 5:29:14 PM PDT by onona (If it is to be, it begins with me.)
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To: Beach_Babe

Where are you?


29 posted on 10/28/2012 5:31:49 PM PDT by Blacksheep (There are no coincidences......)
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To: eastexsteve
Hurricane Sandy: advice from a hurricane person

My sister-in-law lives on a canal just off the Great South Bay. This mornings high tide saw water already spilling into her back yard.

So my advice to her was to sandbag the doors, grab the cats and evacuate.

The good news is that she took my advice.

The bad news is that she and her cats are staying at my house.

30 posted on 10/28/2012 5:32:21 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: cubreporter

Rockaway peninsular and Jamaica Bay...NYC


31 posted on 10/28/2012 5:38:09 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: FreeReign
Your sister-in-law: “The bad news is that she and her cats are staying at my house.”

That’s funny, except I have a sister-in-law that lives on the Texas coast and doesn’t have squat in preps and she would come to my house, too, and she’s a wild eyed liberal - I’d rather put up with the cats than her liberal crap.

32 posted on 10/28/2012 5:39:52 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: eastexsteve

ALL OF YOU YANKEES WILL DIE IN HURRICANE SANDY!

Did that work?
Did I get your attention?
Good. Because that is what the MSM is trying to do.
They want to blow up this stupid CAT 1 storm as if it's a combination of Katrina, the Asian Tsunami and the 1909 San Francisco earthquake combined, to the point that it dominates the front pages of they left-wing MSM right up until the day after the Presidential election.

You see, this replaces Benghazi on the front page.

BENGHAZI, LIBYA!

You are all being manipulated into forgetting all about it.
This storm is nothing. It looks big on the map, it is being hyped in order to kill the Benghazi scandal in the week before the election.


Remember Irene!

Irene was CAT 3

This stupid Sandy looks huge on a satellite map, but is only a CAT 1 storm for Chrissakes.
33 posted on 10/28/2012 5:41:01 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: proxy_user

Fill up your bathtub and sinks with water so you can flush the commode if they cut your water. Probably too late for any food, batteries, candles, etc. You can fill up all your glasses as well. Water may be in short supply for a while.


34 posted on 10/28/2012 5:46:05 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: FreeReign

Where does your sis live? I’m in Deer Park. I moved my truck from a truck yard on the south side of Main Street Babylon (near the grt south bay) to a spot a few miles north. I was afraid of floods. However, now I worry a tree might hit it. DId you hear any estimates as to how high the water is expected to climb the south shore? I’ve heard nothing in this regard. Your sisters experience is worrysome.


35 posted on 10/28/2012 5:46:09 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Check the auto parts dept. at Wallymart or other automotive supply. They are used to convert 12V DC to 120V AC for stereos in cars.

Check the wattage on the sump pump and buy a big enough inverter.


36 posted on 10/28/2012 5:59:30 PM PDT by darth
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To: Bon mots

It’s not so much the velocity of the wind that’s the problem, it’s the rain, direction of the wind and the duration of both.
Inland, 48 to 72 hours of heavy rain with gusts that may hit 40-60 and trees get uprooted....plus flooding.
On the shore, 48-72 hrs. of wind pushing water into the inverted “V” of NY Bight plus water being pushed down LI Sound...all mixed with moon tides...will cause a lot of flooding problems.


37 posted on 10/28/2012 6:01:19 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: gotribe

We’re not discounting it, but nor are we buying into the frenzy the media would have us believe.

We’ve been down this road many a-time with the weather folks. Too much “reporting” is geared towards panic, over-reaction, and ratings. In Maryland, where I am, we get the same type of nonsense for 1/2 inch of snow that we’d get for 2 feet.

I’m not convinced that Sandy will be as much a threat as they say. MAYBE it will.... but the media has overdone too many “nothings” to the point where we’re numb to much of their reporting.


38 posted on 10/28/2012 6:01:31 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Roccus

Like I said, you’re all gonna die in this storm.

Just forget about Benghazi, okay?

:)


39 posted on 10/28/2012 6:07:49 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: darth

Thank you for the great idea/advice. Will run out tomorrow early to track down an inverter and another heavy duty extension cord.


40 posted on 10/28/2012 6:12:14 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: Bon mots

It isn’t the wind, it’s the fact the storm will get trapped by a cold front that’s already given us two days of rain, and a nor’easter that comes with its own water supply. Southern NY water drains south to PA, which has a long history of nasty floods when they get a little too much rain. Coastal areas also have storm surge + full moon high tides.

The wind will be enough for tree branches downing power lines. It will make nice news shots, but we’re used to that and as prepared as possible. The problem is the water, the drainage, the flooding even after the rain stops.

Unfortunately, it’s the only thing that will be on the news this week.


41 posted on 10/28/2012 6:17:59 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: gotribe

Even after downgrade to tropical storm strength, Hugo really tore up Charlotte NC, many miles inland. I helped cleanup efforts there, and the term “natural disaster” doesn’t come close to what I saw.

In rural farm areas, you only saw a few blown out barns, but once you hit the more densely populated areas, only 10% of the roads were passable because of huge amounts of storm debris, and power lines were down in multiple places on each city block due to fallen old growth trees.

Not really life threatening, but a total pain in the backside for residents who had to wait weeks for power to get back to their house, and slightly less than that for all the roads to be open again.

The areas Sandy will cover are several times more densely populated than Charlotte.


42 posted on 10/28/2012 6:25:59 PM PDT by wrench
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To: gotribe

Even after downgrade to tropical storm strength, Hugo really tore up Charlotte NC, many miles inland. I helped cleanup efforts there, and the term “natural disaster” doesn’t come close to what I saw.

In rural farm areas, you only saw a few blown out barns, but once you hit the more densely populated areas, only 10% of the roads were passable because of huge amounts of storm debris, and power lines were down in multiple places on each city block due to fallen old growth trees.

Not really life threatening, but a total pain in the backside for residents who had to wait weeks for power to get back to their house, and slightly less than that for all the roads to be open again.

The areas Sandy will cover are several times more densely populated than Charlotte.


43 posted on 10/28/2012 6:27:18 PM PDT by wrench
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To: TalBlack
Where does your sis live? I’m in Deer Park. I moved my truck from a truck yard on the south side of Main Street Babylon (near the grt south bay) to a spot a few miles north. I was afraid of floods. However, now I worry a tree might hit it. DId you hear any estimates as to how high the water is expected to climb the south shore? I’ve heard nothing in this regard. Your sisters experience is worrysome.

Straight down 109, then over Montauk Hwy., then straight down to about 3 blocks before the bay.

I believe the entire neighborhood was flooded during Gloria. We think it will be worse this time.

The surge will probably will between 5 and 10 feet which will take the water into her living room.

44 posted on 10/28/2012 6:31:34 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: wrench

Hugo was still classified as a hurricane as far as Greensboro in my recollection. It blew the roof off the house I was living in ther at the time. Horizontal wimdblown rain that was too warm, like a dog panting on you.


45 posted on 10/28/2012 6:34:16 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Bon mots
This stupid Sandy looks huge on a satellite map, but is only a CAT 1 storm for Chrissakes.

It's the size of the storm plus the unusual storm track that will produce a once-every-several-hundred years storm surge on a very populated coast line.

Sandy isn't Irene. Irene was a dying hurricane that was on a typical track that causes hurricanes to disintegrate.

That said, your rebuild picture is pretty funny.

46 posted on 10/28/2012 6:48:07 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: darth
Get an inverter of about 800-1000 watts. Most new fridges run on less than 750 watts

You are disregarding the startup surge requirement. Can be as much as triple. I have even seen six times specified.

I have run into this myself with a small portable A/C. Although the inverter was rated for double the continuous amp draw, it would not start, just hummed. The quality of the AC output power is significant also.

The only thing that would save you is if the 750 watts actually IS the startup surge requirement. Possible with the newest ones, I guess.

47 posted on 10/28/2012 6:54:03 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Marcella
That’s funny, except I have a sister-in-law that lives on the Texas coast and doesn’t have squat in preps and she would come to my house, too, and she’s a wild eyed liberal - I’d rather put up with the cats than her liberal crap.

True, except the two cats whine like liberals. :)

48 posted on 10/28/2012 6:56:35 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Roccus
The Day Before Tomorrow - Sandy 2012
49 posted on 10/28/2012 7:55:03 PM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: proxy_user

Yeah, the underground power. Where do you think the water is going to go? You will lose your power.

If you are outside over the next few days you will see more rats than you can imagine coming up from sewers full of water.

I am getting a little pissed at the folks from Fl poo pooing this storm as “just a cat 1.”

If Fla was about to be hit with a blizzard, you would feel as we do. And I have seen you guys drive on 1/4 of snow and its dangerously funny.

Listen to your local alerts. If they say get out of you NY high rise, then get out.


50 posted on 10/28/2012 8:13:20 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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