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Can You Stop a Hurricane by Nuking It?
Live Science ^ | October 29, 2012 | Rachel Kaufman, TechNewsDaily Contributor

Posted on 10/30/2012 11:11:40 AM PDT by DogByte6RER

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Can You Stop a Hurricane by Nuking It?

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To save lives and reduce costs, there would be tremendous advantage if science had a way to stop a devastating hurricane like Sandy. And scientists have thought of it before.

One idea that rears its head almost every hurricane season recently is the notion of bombing a hurricane into submission. The theory goes that the energy released by a nuclear bomb detonated just above and ahead of the eye of a storm would heat the cooler air there, disrupting the storm's convection current.

Unfortunately, this idea, which has been around in some form since the 1960s, wouldn't work.

Chris Landsea, science and operations officer at the National Hurricane Center, posted an explanation when he was a research meteorologist with NOAA.

"The main difficulty with using explosives to modify hurricanes is the amount of energy required," Landsea wrote.

A hurricane gets its energy from warm ocean water, and in the process of water vapor condensing into rain droplets. The heat released during condensation serves to continue to warm the surrounding air, which causes more seawater to evaporate, condense, and continue the cycle.

A fully developed hurricane releases 50 or more terawatts of heat energy at any given moment, only about 1 percent of which is converted into wind. The heat release, Landsea wrote, "is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes." The entire human race in 2011 used about a third of the energy present in an average hurricane.

So bombing a hurricane might be about as effective as trying to stop a speeding Buick with a feather.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Science; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: atomicbomb; atomsforpeace; energy; hurricane; hurricanesandy; nuke; sandy; thebomb; thermodynamics
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1 posted on 10/30/2012 11:11:41 AM PDT by DogByte6RER
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To: All

On the flip side ... could you stop a nuclear detonation by hurricaning it?

Godspeed to all of the East Coasties dealing with Sandy.


2 posted on 10/30/2012 11:13:27 AM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

Then you end up with “Radioactive Superstorm Sandy.”


3 posted on 10/30/2012 11:14:30 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: DogByte6RER

The HUGE!!! downside to successfully pulling this off... I’d have had to go to work yesterday and today!


4 posted on 10/30/2012 11:15:02 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: DogByte6RER
Can You Stop a Hurricane by Nuking It?

I'm not sure, but the next time one is over Washington, DC, let's give it a try.

5 posted on 10/30/2012 11:16:05 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Excellent idea. Nuke it, and then we can all get showered with nice jet-streamed plutonium particles far and wide.


6 posted on 10/30/2012 11:16:06 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: DogByte6RER

What a stupid idea.Detonate a nuclear device in the atmosphere and contaminate all of the water vapor with strontium 90 and othe radioactive waste.

They may stop a hurricane but they will surely kill or sicken a large part of the people they were trying to protect.


7 posted on 10/30/2012 11:22:24 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Can You Stop a Hurricane by Nuking It?

You can render a hurricane bankrupt and ineffectual by placing it under the management of the US Federal government - especially if the committee is run by Democrats.

8 posted on 10/30/2012 11:31:13 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: puppypusher

To affect a hurricane one would have to drop something as dense as a black hole into it, like Megan McCain.


9 posted on 10/30/2012 11:35:36 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: DogByte6RER

If Urine were as flammable as gasoline, would you argue that pissing on a fire would put it out?

Consider the consequences of a nuke failing to stop a hurricane on a landfall course... and then lets talk about “acid rain”.


10 posted on 10/30/2012 11:39:11 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: econjack

bump that.


11 posted on 10/30/2012 11:39:42 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: DogByte6RER

Cloud seeding would probably work better.


12 posted on 10/30/2012 11:41:05 AM PDT by fso301
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To: DogByte6RER

Duct-tape Algore to a rocket and shot him into the eye. It’ll probably work just as well and will actually help the environment instead.


13 posted on 10/30/2012 11:50:51 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: DogByte6RER
I think about "science" like this when a "scientist" finds a tooth in Africa and declares Biology books will have to be rewritten.

To believe man can have any effect on God sized events is just stupid on the face of it. It shows how arrogant we have become.

I know,.....lets sentence some scientists to jail for not predicting earthquakes correctly. Oh yeah, we just did that.

14 posted on 10/30/2012 11:52:07 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: DogByte6RER; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows; JoeProBono

15 posted on 10/30/2012 11:54:58 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: DogByte6RER
These scientists wildly overestimate the area effect of a nuclear detonation compared to the size of a hurricane.

Take a look at the satellite photos of Hurricane Sandy or Katrina. Even a 50MT nuclear warhead detonation (only the Soviets ever had one run away to that size) would look like a tiny clump of pixels in the middle of a hurricane whorl that stretches from Florida to New York.

Moreover, nuke size hardly makes a difference. The largest US-made nukes ran away to about 15MT, and it's been proven by physicists like J. Carson Mark in the Operation Ivy (Mark) tests that anything above 3MT only temporarily lifts the Earth's atmosphere higher into space by a slight bump without adding any significant destructive power or area of effect. I don't think that the US arsenal has anything over ~1.2MT warheads since SALT eliminated the ridiculous megatonnage nukes of the '60s.

In short, America's biggest current nuclear warhead used against a hurricane would be like trying to stop your outdoor lawn sprinklers by standing in the middle of the lawn while lighting a book of matches. The biggest US nukes of the '60s would be like doing the same futile exercise only using a highway road flare.

16 posted on 10/30/2012 11:56:56 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: DogByte6RER
This idea has been around for a looooong time. I recall a Smilin' Jack comic strip, back in 1945 or 1946, in which they were going to nuke a hurricane. Don't recall the details now, but the idea was there.
17 posted on 10/30/2012 11:58:23 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Hurricanes help regulate the climate. Leave them alone and learn how to deal with them better. I don’t think we should be trying to stop natural occurrences.


18 posted on 10/30/2012 12:02:53 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: DogByte6RER
According to NOAA, an average hurricane puts out 5.2e19 joules / day. Tsar Bomba (aka Big Ivan, the biggest nuke ever) released about 2.1e17 joules of energy. So, over the course of a day, a hurricane releases the energy equivalent of about 248 Big Ivans, or about one bomb every six minutes.


Tsar Bomba. The fireball was five miles in diameter

19 posted on 10/30/2012 12:06:07 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Safrguns

Please don’t make this personal.

Just because I posted this thread doesn’t mean that I would ever support nuking a hurricane. The article also reminded me of the planned “Atoms for Peace” program of the 1950s ... the idea was to use nukes to carve out canals in land bridges.

I merely found the article and the idea interesting and I looked forward to reading some FReeper feedback.

The article further mentions the futility of of such an idea ... a nuke carries a very very small percentage of the energy existing within a hurricane. To quote the article:

“So bombing a hurricane might be about as effective as trying to stop a speeding Buick with a feather.”


20 posted on 10/30/2012 12:07:21 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

we stopped the wind ... hope you don’t mind all the irradiated rain


21 posted on 10/30/2012 12:31:34 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: DogByte6RER
If it can be bought through the Acme Products Catalog - its GOTTA work ...


22 posted on 10/30/2012 12:42:48 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: DogByte6RER

Yea, I can see how sending radio active material into the water supply and air would save lives.


23 posted on 10/30/2012 12:51:31 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: DogByte6RER

“A 1953 study found that the average thunderstorm over several hours expends enough energy to equal 50 A-bombs of the type that was dropped on Hiroshima, Japan during World War Two.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderstorm

“An “average” thunderstorm releases about as much energy in an hour as a 20-kiloton atomic bomb generates instantly.”

http://suite101.com/article/the-supercell-thunderstorm-just-one-step-to-becoming-a-tornado-a275415


24 posted on 10/30/2012 12:53:52 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: DogByte6RER

We thought that stopping forest fires was a good thing. It resulted on deadwood accumulating until a fire started which was too big to put out.

Hurricanes dump excess ocean heat into the upper atmosphere where it can dissipate. Stop enough hurricanes and the ocean will warm until super -hurricanes form.


25 posted on 10/30/2012 12:59:10 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: DogByte6RER

That’s like shooting an elephant with a spitwad.


26 posted on 10/30/2012 1:24:04 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: dblshot

“To affect a hurricane one would have to drop something as dense as a black hole into it, like Megan McCain.”

LOL


27 posted on 10/30/2012 2:11:35 PM PDT by RatSlayer
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To: DogByte6RER

>>> Please don’t make this personal.

When you post an article, people are going to respond to the title just like I did. Don’t take it personal just because your post is the first opportunity responders have to click on the “reply” button.

Yeah.. I thought it was interesting too. that’s why I read your post and responded to the idea... not you.

I could just see the look on the scientists faces after the nuke goes off and the hurricane keeps coming.
like... OOPS!


28 posted on 10/30/2012 10:08:57 PM PDT by Safrguns
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