Posted on 10/31/2012 11:30:10 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
I think it can be more than that? Such as stopping him from holding future offices?
There is a blanket law giving pensions to ex-Presidents. Are you saying that law would have to be changed? Or would there have to be a law saying Obama is excluded from that law, or what?
I think his benefits could be taken from him
There are essentially two “punishments” for Impeachment. Removal from office (automatic) and the prohibition of EVER holding ANY federal office (possible if the Senate so chooses). There are no Constitutional restrictions on who can be impeached or when they can be impeached. So the short answer is:
Yes he can be impeached and possibly prevented from ever holding any federal office again.
However, in my opinion, this would be an unwise tactic. Far better to go after the supporting cast of characters for their parts in the events.
And I look forward to the disclosures of all his crimes, but agree it will be after he is out of office. I don’t think Romney will give him any pardons...if he does, we’ll know Romney is not the man we think he is, just the better of two evils. Certainly be able to stop his presidential pensions and security. However, I betcha’ Obummer knows what is coming and will not be in Hawaii too long, if ever. He’ll head to Albania or someplace he can’t be extradited. Hope he takes all his other law breaking cronies with him!
I think his benefits could be taken from him
Yes, they would have to amend such a law in such a way that it would get through the courts. There may be precedent because of Nixon but I don’t know. But it would have to be done through law.
Judgment for impeachment shall no extend further than removal AND disqualification to hold any office.
Read it again. Including the "and." If someone is not in office, they can not be impeached. It's what impeachment is for.
I was incorrect that DQ for future office was not possible in these cases, but it is not automatic.
But it is nonsensical to talk about impeaching someone with the "honorary" title of president.
By applying pressure to law enforcement. Maybe by working hard to empanel a grand jury (though I have no idea how that works, and from what I’ve been told it goes through politicians so it’s nearly hopeless unless you can apply so much pressure that even a politician would respond).
The only other legal option for us in this regard is passing laws that enable grand juries or prosecutions without politicians as gate-keepers - which is what I thought. I don’t know anything more about how that would work.
If a person caught him in the act they could make a citizen’s arrest, if I understand correctly. But that doesn’t work on crimes already committed.
But once he’s out of office how could he be barred from holding future office? A criminal trial?
By applying pressure to law enforcement. Maybe by working hard to empanel a grand jury (though I have no idea how that works, and from what I’ve been told it goes through politicians so it’s nearly hopeless unless you can apply so much pressure that even a politician would respond).
The only other legal option for us in this regard is passing laws that enable grand juries or prosecutions without politicians as gate-keepers - which is what I thought grand juries or citizen’s juries were for. I don’t know anything more about how that would work.
If a person caught him in the act they could make a citizen’s arrest, if I understand correctly. But that doesn’t work on crimes already committed.
Right. But perjury and fraud are also state felonies and could (and SHOULD) be prosecuted at the state level as well as at the federal level.
I’m not ruling out anything at this point. Don’t you think that’s what he deserves?
I guess that would depend on what state Obama was in when he committed the felonies?
Presidents do NOT enjoy the lifetime title of “President,” except by custom. And it’s a very recent custom. Until sometime in the last fifty years, former Presidents and Vice Presidents were called by the highest office they occupied before entering the Presidency or Vice Presidency. Thus, the last few former Presidents should have been called:
Sen. Nixon
Gov. Carter
Gov. Reagan
Amb. Bush
Gov. Clinton
Gov. Bush
The authority for this position is Miss Manners.
It probably depends upon the offense.
It’s not worth worrying about because he will ever be charged or tried or convicted. It’s unseemly.
Do you want the next Nancy Pelosi to charge President Ryan with some “crime” after his presidency?
As we’ve seen in recent years, it’s common for lame-duck presidents to pardon everyone they’ve ever worked with, so he could do that too. But then he’d have to resign and let Biden pardon him. It’s feasible but he’d have to do it in the middle of the night and have all the other players lined up.
Interesting. Now things have started to come full circle. Instead of saying President.. now many news networks are adding “Former” in front of the person. Especially if it is a recent former President.
Former President Bush.
If we could get him charged of convicted. And I think what Obama has done goes beyond anything we’ve seen. I don’t think it’s right for us to let him get away with it.
After all the crap I’ve been through personally in the last 4 years, as well as what we’ve all been through as a group, I vote we do all the above.
I am not a lawyer; I’ve been saying what it seems to me that the Constitution says. Are you a lawyer? We need to have lawyers identify themselves as such for the people like me who can’t even remember my own name half the time, much less the professions of all the posters. lol
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