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Do You Trust Your Unionized Postman in Battle Ground States?
Me | November 4 2012 | RetSignman

Posted on 11/04/2012 1:26:56 PM PST by RetSignman

In light of several instances of voting 'irregularities' already sited in some of the states, maybe we should consider one that could be critical.

We all know that millions of voters have opted to vote by absentee ballot in battle ground states but the system relies on the American Postal Workers Union to deliver those ballots.

WHAT IF certain zip codes are targeted by the Unionized Postal Workers and they never arrive to their destination?

Think that is paranoia thinking? Just revisit past elections where ballots were found in dumpsters.

Fortunately, many of these battle ground states have links where you can check the status of your ballot, use those sites to affirm your vote.

This administration has had four years to prepare for this election, you've got just days to make sure they don't steal this election.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ballots; union; usps

1 posted on 11/04/2012 1:26:57 PM PST by RetSignman
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To: RetSignman

And that’s the reason why we had our college daughter mail her absentee ballot inside a larger padded manilla envelope to our house. We delivered her ballot in person and dropped it into the absentee ballot box, so that her vote counted for Romney.


2 posted on 11/04/2012 1:30:08 PM PST by Florida native
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To: RetSignman

I trust mine but we all know where she lives.


3 posted on 11/04/2012 1:30:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: RetSignman

I’ve often thought about this...my county has drop off stations that are large metal containers, locked of course...lately, I’ve been dropping our ballots there...


4 posted on 11/04/2012 1:31:28 PM PST by cherry
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To: RetSignman

Timely thread. . .see my Post at the following link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2954766/posts?page=61#61


5 posted on 11/04/2012 1:40:21 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Florida native

It’s sad that we have to take these kind of measures to be sure our vote counts.

In previous election I also used absentee ballot, not this year, I’m going in person to make sure I’m counted.


6 posted on 11/04/2012 1:43:56 PM PST by RetSignman (REMEMBER THE 2010 MOVEMENT)
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To: RetSignman

Which is why I always drop my ballot envelope in the box on the day before election. Here in WA state 100% of voting is done by mail. But I never mail my ballot. There are drop boxes at the secretary of state’s office, and other government offices. I feel more secure doing that than mailing it a week or more ahead of election day.


7 posted on 11/04/2012 1:45:32 PM PST by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: RetSignman

My mail carrier strongly pro Romney


8 posted on 11/04/2012 1:47:29 PM PST by ARGLOCKGUY
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To: ARGLOCKGUY

My mail carrier is pro-Romney; my customers’ mail carrier (me) will vote Romney!


9 posted on 11/04/2012 2:02:45 PM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: SgtBob

I hand carried our ballots last week to be sure.


10 posted on 11/04/2012 2:27:39 PM PST by OldGMA
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To: OldGMA

Guess I’m too old fashioned...I’ll step into the voting booth Tuesday eve after work.


11 posted on 11/04/2012 2:33:51 PM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: RetSignman

I had to laugh out loud when I read this post.

If you think your local letter carried gives a shit about who you are voting for, or will risk his well paying job to delay an absentee ballot, then you have not spent much time around letter carriers.

This is hyperbole at its best.

And if you havent mailed in your ballot yet, it ain’t gonna get there in time.


12 posted on 11/04/2012 2:38:53 PM PST by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: SgtBob
Guess I’m too old fashioned...I’ll step into the voting booth Tuesday eve after work.

Me, too. I trust no one with my vote, except myself on election day. Color me cautious.

13 posted on 11/04/2012 2:39:27 PM PST by madison10 (I love it when My plan comes together ~~God)
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To: Vermont Lt

I do know that in my brother’s city they fired a carrier after they found about a ton of mail (much of it first class) stashed at her house because she “did not feel like delivering it”. She had been caught with illegal drugs in her delivery vehicle and had allowed a non-postal employee to run her route. She had gotten her job because she was related to the head of the local postal union.


14 posted on 11/04/2012 2:47:52 PM PST by RightWingConspirator (Obamanation--the most corrupt regime since Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe)
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To: RetSignman

15 posted on 11/04/2012 2:58:58 PM PST by WeatherGuy
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To: RetSignman

Its truly amazing that we can ever garner more than 20% of the vote.

Think about it.

99% of all news, movie, film,tv, magazines,newspapers are staffed by DNC campaign workers.

Now we vote using 100% unionized Federal employees to make sure our vote makes it to the registrars.

See why the DNC wants the FED and UN to control the web?


16 posted on 11/04/2012 3:10:47 PM PST by NoLibZone (I know what it is to be Black,to be hated for who I am, more so than Whoppi does. I'm a Republican.)
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To: RightWingConspirator

Show me the newspaper article link for that.

That is a BS urban rumor. It happens about once every five or six years. Tell me what you do for a living and I will find four or five articles regarding someone in the profession doing something wrong.

And there are thousands of letter carries. Pointing out one or two is no more effective here, than it is when a politician says it.

Thinking that every letter carrier is a union thug is just insane. Misdirecting mail or delaying its delivery is a felony and will result in immediate dismissal.

Would you risk that for a single vote?

No? Neither would they.


17 posted on 11/04/2012 3:15:13 PM PST by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: RetSignman
NO! A few years ago, my wife was dabbling in self employment. She had a potential client list of perhaps 200 names and addresses. She sent out a newsletter and had the good sense to send a letter addressed to each member of our house plus enough other names to make a statistically valid sample.

She took the bundles of newsletters to the post office for mailing. She found that the local serving post office had a poor delivery rate. She experimented with several other post offices before finding one that consistently got her letters through.

We would absolutely never trust a mail-in ballot.

18 posted on 11/04/2012 3:25:00 PM PST by fso301
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To: RetSignman; All

Respectfully, your worries are not warranted in this regard.

I work in a business mail entry unit, plain old political mail, political advertising IOW, gets royal treatment; extra documentation, chain of custody logs, special handling all the way.

The unit supervisor had to come in on her day off Saturday to unlock her office and produce her logs for OIG auditors because a written report filed Friday didn’t match a computer generated report, because a clerk forgot to check a box while inputting a mailing statement for a political mailing.

Actual absentee ballots are inducted into the mailstream immediately upon receipt, following a count verification, even if the postage is wrong the ballots still get sent, we settle up later.

USPS fires people for taking for personal use the undeliverable, thrown away, laundry soap samples and CDs/DVDs that mailers refuse to pay return postage on.

People that interfere with ballots get arrested by inspectors with real badges (gold ones), real pistols and real handcuffs.

There might, might be one lunatic letter carrier, window or bmeu clerk in 10,000 that would screw around with a ballot, but even the lazy ones would still push ballots through just to avoid the unwanted attention from management, OIG, postal inspectors.....


19 posted on 11/04/2012 5:33:35 PM PST by skepsel ("Whole lotta things I ain't never done, ain't never had too much fun" C. Cody)
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To: RetSignman
My first absentee ballot vanished into thin air.

Today is the last chance you will have to see if your ballot completed the trip.

20 posted on 11/04/2012 10:13:18 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: RetSignman

I hand deliver my absentee ballot to the clerk every single time.

Always eliminate the middleman if possible.


21 posted on 11/04/2012 10:15:21 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: RetSignman

My postwoman seems to be OK. I always get my conservative direct/junk mail.


22 posted on 11/04/2012 10:17:53 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: RetSignman

No. I always use the ballot box. Our city has a huge red ballot box in the middle of downtown that is always located on it’s own small traffic island. It’s like a 2Xsized mailbox. It is only used during elections, and is very convenient. This year, I used the smaller inside box, because I had to be in the election department anyway.


23 posted on 11/04/2012 11:21:03 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Darren McCarty

24 posted on 11/05/2012 12:42:44 AM PST by clearcarbon
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

[...see if your ballot completed the trip.]

I couldn’t agree more, if Romney/Ryan survive the efforts of this corrupt administration, union power is going to be greatly diminished and they know it.

There is nothing they won’t do to prevent them from winning this election.


25 posted on 11/05/2012 5:00:10 AM PST by RetSignman (REMEMBER THE 2010 MOVEMENT)
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To: Vermont Lt

See the link at Post 5, above.

And my “mail carrier” (or someone at the post office), has a nasty habit of scrawling rude notes on my National Review magazine. Of course, this is illegal as well but doesn’t stop them.

Criminals and union thugs don’t care about the law, that is why they are criminals and union thugs.

Would you or I risk out job my misdirecting one or a thousand ballots? No. But they are criminals and they don’t care about the law. . .that is why they are criminals and union thugs.

Your logic doesn’t hold up, otherwise merely making something against the law would be enough to stop it from happening.

You are presuming the mailman has intellect and morals.

You are mistaken in both cases.

The loss of mail while en-route through incompetence and a just-don’t-care attitude is enough reason that I never send anything of any value via the post office. I don’t trust them. . .and a ballot is valuable.

Urban myth. . .mailmen not delivering the mail or tampering with the mail. . .an urban myth?

Consider, from the USPS. Very interesting stats: https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/radDocs/pubs/06anrept.htm

And consider: “The recent discovery in Bonny Doon, Calif., of a former mail carrier’s old stash was not exactly unprecedented. There’s also the recent arrest of a Detroit postal carrier who squirreled away 9,000 pieces of mail into a storage locker, a work dodge worthy of a Seinfeld plot. A week earlier, a postman was nailed for hoarding 27,000 letters in Leeds, England; the week before that revealed a postal hoarder with 20,000 letters in Frankfurt, Germany. (”[He] didn’t deliver mail addressed to himself either,” a police statement dryly noted.) And all of them were dwarfed by the North Carolina postman who admitted in August to filling his garage and burying in his backyard nearly a tractor trailer’s worth of undelivered junk mail.

But the hoarding and abandonment of mail is a phenomenon that extends at least back to 1874, when Providence, R.I., postman Benjamin Salisbury was caught throwing mail into the ocean “to avoid the trouble of delivery.” Some things don’t change much; a Long Island postman used the same MO in 1954, when he blamed a bum leg from the war for forcing him to dump his mail off a local pier. The scheme kind of worked … until the tide came in.

In 2006, the last year the U.S. Postal Service released figures, there were 515 arrests and 466 convictions for “internal theft.” That figure includes abandonment and hoarding cases, where the motive has remained constant since the days of penny postage: A worker gets overwhelmed or simply disinclined to finish his route. “It’s not a huge issue,” Agapi Doulaveris of the U.S. Office of the Inspector General told me. “We work on referrals.” http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2008/11/the_j_crew_catalog_destroyed_my_spirit.html

Oh, and yeah, you have to KNOW your mail has gone missing before you can report it. So, if you mail your ballot and the mailman “loses” it, there is no way you would know.

Of course, one ballot or just a few, what does that matter. It’s not like it is important or anything.


26 posted on 11/05/2012 5:08:50 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka

If you want to see your mailman fired, keep copies of the magazine and bring them to his supervisor.

I know someone that is voting for Obama. That does not mean EVERYONE is voting for Obama. To use your logic, every letter carrier is a union thug who is a hoarder. It simply is not true.

Your paranoia is kind of disturbing.

Not EVERYONE is out to get you. Well, maybe you....but not me.


27 posted on 11/05/2012 6:23:07 AM PST by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: Hulka

Also, if you think that letter carriers (to use the proper term) are stupid, you again, are sadly mistaken.

Or immoral.

I will tell that to the letter carrier on my street that has a Master’s and is pretty high in the masons.

But you would rather not use your head.

And you call them stupid.


28 posted on 11/05/2012 6:25:24 AM PST by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: Vermont Lt
Have done. Spoke in person with some supervisor and he tells me “these things happen” and that it would be difficult at best to catch the guy defacing my magazines.

I provide a link to a website where the post office lists their criminal behavior and yet, you insist that the charge of post office malfeasance is a “myth.”

Paranoia. . .I give examples of the ineptness of the post office and a low life employed there and somehow that is paranoia?

Your slavish devotion to an unaccountable, bankrupt and totally unprofessional agency is disturbing.

Saaayyyy. . .you wouldn't be one of those union drones. .. nah. . .not you.

Have a nice day, sunshine.

29 posted on 11/05/2012 7:30:58 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Nope...not a drone. But I worked there when I was in college. And I know what I speak of.

You do not.

I suggest paranoia because this thread is about letter carriers “stealing absentee ballots.” If you believe that will happen, then you are displaying paranoia.

And before you start crying about how inept they are, tell me please how you could send a piece of first class mail across the country to ANY address in the country for less than fifty cents.

And they do it billions of times a day.

Yeah, they are inept.

And when you talk about bankrupt, you might want to look at why that has happened. It happened because YOUR representative in Congress authorized the theft of their retirement funds to fund the remainder of the civil service.

If they funded their retirement as any other organization in the country, public or private, their surplus would be in the billions.

You might want to read more than a headline sometimes. You might just learn something.

Idiot.


30 posted on 11/05/2012 7:42:25 AM PST by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: Vermont Lt

[tell me please how you could send a piece of first class mail across the country to ANY address in the country for less than fifty cents.

And they do it billions of times a day.]

The Union Postmen or women are the first to lay their hands on our mail, THEY decide if the mail they pick up will go ANYWHERE, let only across the country.


31 posted on 11/05/2012 12:21:49 PM PST by RetSignman (REMEMBER THE 2010 MOVEMENT)
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To: Vermont Lt

[tell me please how you could send a piece of first class mail across the country to ANY address in the country for less than fifty cents.

And they do it billions of times a day.]

The Union Postmen or women are the first to lay their hands on our mail, THEY decide if the mail they pick up will go ANYWHERE, let only across the country.


32 posted on 11/05/2012 12:22:29 PM PST by RetSignman (REMEMBER THE 2010 MOVEMENT)
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