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What the hell happened?

Posted on 11/06/2012 10:15:36 PM PST by Perdogg

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To: TheBattman

You are right, they are going to go vote Democrat instead. You can still fight against several subject(late term abortion, no fed $$ for abortions, religous freedom, etc...), but the rest you leave up to states rights and fight it there.

The right always claims to be for state’s rights, well Maryland said it plain and clear, they want gay marriage. Stick with the part as it stands now, and we lose maryland and many other states in perpetuity.


151 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:46 AM PST by SengirV
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To: jjotto
That and his message of ‘socialism lite’ did him in. Once it’s established that it’s good for people to get stuff they haven’t earned, why would anyone ever vote to get less ‘free’ stuff? And the switch of Catholics from majority Democrat to majority Republican didn’t happen either.

But he won the red states. Why would socialism-lite hurt him in the swing states, where conservatives are way sparser? Would conservatives reject him there and vote for Obama or not vote because they think they can do better? I guess my question would be why conservatives in swing states would stand on principle when they're used to settling for crumbs or getting nothing at all when conservatives in red states routinely vote for RINOs at the national level. Something doesn't compute with this line of reasoning.

152 posted on 11/07/2012 6:27:25 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Perdogg

Demographics is destiny.

You are beginning to see nationally what happened to California over recent decades, as it was transformed from an American state that elected Ronald Reagan to a state that is the capital of the Third World and Obamunism.

When you replace the native American stock, the unmentionable white population, with imports from all over the Third World then elections shift to the left. They see Obama as one of their own and Romney as an alien.

It’s not poor immigrants, it’s not about money at all. It is simply Third World tribalism. They aren’t shy about talking about it, it’s just that conservatives and the GOP aren’t paying attention or refuse to acknowledge what doesn’t fit their idea of how the world should be versus how it actually is.

Get used to it. Obama is just the first of what is to come. The GOP will be doing the same thing, in its usual Democrat-lite version.


153 posted on 11/07/2012 6:58:41 AM PST by Pelham (America, 1775-2012)
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To: Zhang Fei

Obama got over 9 million FEWER votes this time than in 2008. Romney got 2 million FEWER votes than McCain!

Is it your opinion that two million McCain voters vanished because Romney is too conservative?


154 posted on 11/07/2012 8:07:31 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SengirV

The problem with State’s Rights (and I am a fan of that doctrine), is that the courts and the Federal Government have interpreted the “equal protection” clause in the U.S. Constitution in such a way that... gay “couples” in Maryland get “married” there... they then move to a state that doesn’t currently recognize such unholy unions... they then file a federal lawsuit claiming violation of their civil rights (under “Equal Protection). Rapidly, Gay “Marriage” becomes the law of the land in spite of a state’s desires.

Further - My faith says that such “unions” are absolutely wrong. Yet my tax dollars will go to support that lifestyle choice through spousal benefits.

Which brings up the other back-door way of spreading gay unions - Federal workers -


155 posted on 11/07/2012 9:07:44 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Zhang Fei

I stand corrected. I now am reading how turnout was down compared to 2008—and may even be down compared to 2004. Shows what I know. It seemed like it was way up from my personal experience, but the numbers tell a different story.


156 posted on 11/07/2012 9:08:07 AM PST by ConservativeLawyer (America needs God's blessings)
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To: jjotto
I think Romney is a RINO. In this era though, he's probably just the right ideological shade to win a national election.

However, in 2010, Dan Coats the RINO beat his opponent by 250K votes. Mourdock the conservative lost this year by 100K votes. So there is such a thing as being more conservative than your electorate.

Turnout for both Obama and Romney was lower this year than in 2008 because there was less of a sense of crisis this year. On election day in 2008, Lehman, Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had gone under and the Dow had fallen 5000 points from its peak earlier that year. Romney's mistake was in having no ground game. I suspect the neck-and-neck polls probably led to a sense of complacency. Ultimately, Romney needed paid professionals to micromanage GOP turnout, and he fell down big time on that score. I mean - he was so confident he would win that he hadn't prepped a concession speech.

157 posted on 11/07/2012 9:12:11 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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