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Vanity: Understanding the numbers.
Vanity | 11-7-12 | Self

Posted on 11/07/2012 2:31:08 AM PST by Frapster

I spent a lot of time following the interpretations that many on here had been offering in regards to the polls. They made sense and that appeals to the Spock side of me. Yes, I'm a nerd. I'm looking for those who are interested in understanding why our interpretation of the polls failed to begin sharing their continued observations.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: data; polls; turnout; votes
For example the final CNN poll was debunked on one assumption - no way were the dems +11. Is this an electoral college issue? Was this not 'its the economy stupid?'

I believe we can't know where to point the fingers until we at least understand why our assessments didn't pan out like they seemed to indicate they would.

1 posted on 11/07/2012 2:31:12 AM PST by Frapster
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To: Frapster

and?


2 posted on 11/07/2012 2:32:27 AM PST by Perdogg (Vote like the US Constitution depends on it - it does!!)
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To: Frapster

Figure out why Intrade had Obama +40 Nov 6 and you might have the answer.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 2:33:37 AM PST by expat1000
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To: Perdogg

Not sure what you’re asking.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 2:34:59 AM PST by Frapster (There you go again...)
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To: Frapster

I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, but right 12 million fewer votes were cast


5 posted on 11/07/2012 2:37:00 AM PST by Perdogg (Vote like the US Constitution depends on it - it does!!)
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To: Perdogg

I don’t want to sound like one either which is why I want to get to the heart of the numbers before I start jumping to conclusions.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 2:40:14 AM PST by Frapster (There you go again...)
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To: Frapster; Perdogg

Lol... Before I come to any conclusions. Trying to not ‘jump to conclusions.’


7 posted on 11/07/2012 2:42:00 AM PST by Frapster (There you go again...)
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To: Frapster

I’d been pretty skeptical of the interpretations I was seeing bandied about on here and elsewhere—but I didn’t have anything quantitative to back that skepticism, other than an overall intuition that the electoral demographics of the country had slid decisively in Ø’s favor.

If there are reliable #s anywhere that show trends in party affiliation over the past few decades, that might be a clue.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 2:42:06 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Frapster

I have a hard time believing that the turnout was less than ‘08.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 2:54:33 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: jdsteel

2008 was unusually high for the first black prez hopey changey history thingy.

2012 saw Obama’s votes go down by a few million but still more than Romney.

Less enthusiasm for Obama but not enough to erase his built in lead.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 2:57:32 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: over3Owithabrain

It went down a total of about 12 million voters from 2008.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 2:59:47 AM PST by Perdogg (Vote like the US Constitution depends on it - it does!!)
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To: Perdogg

Maybe only allowing property owners to vote would be a solution to this mess ...


12 posted on 11/07/2012 3:07:14 AM PST by Ken522
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If we don’t have enough support to control the executive we certainly will never have enough to modify or in anyway limit the franchise.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 3:11:46 AM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: Ken522

“Maybe only allowing property owners to vote would be a solution to this mess ...”

Those in power will now abolish personal property so, there goes that idea...


14 posted on 11/07/2012 3:14:11 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: FerociousRabbit

I was absolutely sure we would win by at least 2.5 ... and those assumptions were based on hard numbers.

So my question for myself is ... what is the missing piece of data, or what was the wrong assumption?

I suspect, being from MA, having watched Romney for a long time ... and because I like him, what I underestimated was his lack of appeal in terms of non-political types actually going out and voting.

I’m not surprised by Obama’s final tally, but I am surprised ours was so low.

Maybe, if voting wasn’t an effort, the statistics would have been right. If that’s the case, then the country got what it deserves.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 4:57:09 AM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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