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Vanity: No more excuses It falls ultimately on the nominee for this lose not political shenanigans.
Wednesday July 7, 2012

Posted on 11/07/2012 2:39:36 AM PST by Bigtigermike

The Pravda-like corrupt national media, Zombie voters and dirty shenanigans are no excuse for losing this election because unfortunately these were a giving no matter who was the nominee - from Romney to Santorum to Newt or even if Sarah had ran and became the nominee - these things would have happen and for anyone to have beaten Obama but we would expect our nominee to have a strategy to negate or at least lessen these handicaps. If we can't even do that then we ought to just shut the whole thing down and cede the country if we can't win in this environment and high unemployment

Nor can we blame Chris Christy and Hurricane Sandy because looking at the numbers clearly show that alot of people had already made up their minds well before the storm and praised heaped on Obama had occured.

No, this is on the Republican Establishment and their choice - Willard Romney. The Republican base of conservatives (what's left of them) should and hopefully no longer buy the electability argument for an establishment candidate. From the view of the base, the elites have given away an eminently winnable election. Also this strategy of 'a vote against' is gone out the window as well, it clearly doesn't work. We must have a candidate that many can "vote for" enthusiastically as well as vote against the other party nominee. One of the clear things that probably doom Romney was the allowing Obama to bombard states like OH and VA with brutal attacks ads against Romney early on that DEFINED him with no proper response, I know some will claim that Romney couldn't get the money to respond until after he was nominated but he could have done something like do a lot of local TV interviews in those states or something instead of thinking that he just had to 'not lose' the election - which was what he was doing ala 'prevent defense'

Romney may very well be a nice guy so was Bob Dole and somewhat of McCain in the right sunlight but still Presidential losers. I sure hope that this time when we say 'NEVER AGAIN' like many said after McCain that we really mean it and tell the Establishment to stuff it.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: crybaby; gope; obama; palin; racecard; romney; teapartyfailure

1 posted on 11/07/2012 2:39:42 AM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

the elections will be dominated more and more by open border hispanics/people who agree with them and people who want to be taken care of by the government.. good luck with that.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 2:46:33 AM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: Bigtigermike

Yep, the GOP-E owns this disaster lock, stock, and barrel.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 2:47:49 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Bigtigermike
Bull crap its ultimately on the voters. It always has been.
4 posted on 11/07/2012 2:49:29 AM PST by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: Bigtigermike

The GopE really wanted Christie to run because they KNEW Mitt would have problems connecting with the folks. That’s what it’s all about.

If you put up richie rich guy from MA, it’s not going to work. Dems did the same thing with Kerry. Just as liberal as Obama so why didn’t he work out? It’s about the folks.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 2:53:41 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Bigtigermike

In fairness to Romney if he had run against a white president with a horrible record he probably would have won. Obama was elected president because he was black and that’s ultimately why he won again.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 2:55:02 AM PST by zt1053
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To: All

If you took a look at Mitt Romney’s record and his campaign rhetoric and then saw what Obama has done and his lies and you decided to stay home, I don’t know what to say.
It wasn’t Mitt’s fault that people stayed home, if they did. It’s not the mysterious GOP elite’s fault either. The distinction could not have been more stark and clear. We just have to digest this reality and understand that we might not be as popular anymore. A larger number of people think it’s the job of the government to give us free stuff, which is what they voted for.

Ronald Reagan ain’t walking through that door.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 2:56:07 AM PST by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: Lib-Lickers 2
the elections will be dominated more and more by open border hispanics/people who agree with them and people who want to be taken care of by the government.. good luck with that.

This. All great civilizations eventually destroy themselves from within. It's an immutable flaw of human nature, and apparently it's our turn now.

8 posted on 11/07/2012 2:56:31 AM PST by Zeddicus
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To: Bigtigermike
No, this is on the Republican Establishment and their choice - Willard Romney. The Republican base of conservatives (what's left of them) should and hopefully no longer buy the electability argument for an establishment candidate.

I said this last night when Romney started slipping. Until a viable conservative candidate comes along, the GOPe will continue to run these RINOs out there and they will be defeated every time. With each defeat, the country slides toward socialist rule, and now nothing will stop it.

9 posted on 11/07/2012 2:57:37 AM PST by ducttape45
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To: Timber Rattler
Rush Limbaugh nailed it back in December.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why has Governor Mitt Romney not had a so-called "surge"? We hear "surge" used with basically every Republican nominee, but you don't see that "surge" with Governor Romney.

RUSH: Well, every poll I've seen of Republican primary voters, he can't crack 30 percent. It has been curious. And you look at it from the reverse, 70 percent of Republican voters want somebody else. This is why we have the phenomenon of the "Not-Romney." Bachmann was the "Not-Romney" for a while. Herman Cain was the "Not-Romney." Now Newt is the "Not-Romney." I think it boils down to something that's not complicated at all. Republican primary voters are conservative. They don't believe that Romney is. They believe that he will stick a finger in the air and moisten it and see which way the winds are blowing and try to get in that direction. They remember that Romney said he believes in global warming and he believes that man is causing it. Well, conservatives don't believe that. They believe it's a hoax. Conservatives know that the whole story of man-made global warming is a hoax. And they're not going to get excited by a candidate who is trying to gain favor with non-Republican primary voters by articulating that stuff.

Here's the big problem, Greta, for the Republicans. And I am a lone wolf on this. The rule of thumb in elections, both parties, 40 percent are going to vote Democrat automatically, whatever you do, 40 percent are going to vote Republican, automatic, no matter what you do. And in the middle, who do we have? The precious, God love them, independents and the moderates. And they are the targets. They are the focus of every election. And our brilliant campaign consultants tell our candidates they are the ones that know how to go get a majority of those independents. And we have, as Republicans, put ourselves in prison to this whole silly notion that you only win elections by moving to the center and getting great independents. Fine and dandy, but if you squander your base in the process, you haven't a prayer.

Rush Goes On the Record with Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren

10 posted on 11/07/2012 2:58:50 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Bigtigermike

Sorry. I am no great fan of Romney and you can feel free to look at my posting history if you doubt that. To Gov. Romney’s credit he ran a competent campaign, ran hard and did as good of a job as any of us could hope for. It would be convenient to try to attach blame to him.

The problem we face is much worse than a poor candidate losing an election. The election boiled down to a choice between a radical socialist and a liberal who tried to run as a conservative. The American people in large numbers picked the radical socialist. They weren’t looking for conservatism, they were looking for a nanny state.

That’s the take away here.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 2:58:54 AM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: Bigtigermike

Bs. Romney ran a great campaign. Blame the average american idol moron voter.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 3:01:27 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Zeddicus

sadly yeah.. if last night was like 20 years ago Romney would have rolled over Obama


13 posted on 11/07/2012 3:02:07 AM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: Bigtigermike

Mitt got the same percent of the white vote as Reagan did. What do you think changed?


14 posted on 11/07/2012 3:02:30 AM PST by MNDude
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To: Bigtigermike

But how do you explain Allen West’s election loss?
America has been a liberal country!


15 posted on 11/07/2012 3:04:42 AM PST by granada
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To: RKBA Democrat

I think it was more of the residual white guilt about voting out the first black president


16 posted on 11/07/2012 3:05:10 AM PST by zt1053
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To: Bigtigermike
Yours is one of many false dichotomies that we will hear in the next few years. Unless you live in Virginia or MD you didn't hear the wall-to-wall planned parenthood ads (your tax money at work) on all the radio stations (news, country, rock, etc). They lied and bashed Romney and then said not authorized by any candidate, etc. You didn't several fliers a day in your mailbox with the same crap.

The fact is that we are up against well-funded interests and media liars and that will never be overcome by any candidate alone. The only way we can succeed is to take back America from the cabal of elitists and leftists one good American at a time.

17 posted on 11/07/2012 3:05:44 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Lib-Lickers 2; Bigtigermike
Ultimately the loss falls on the nominee. If the people whether they be latinos, white, asian or black failed to be convinced that conservatism is a better way, the messenger did not do a good job.

The candidate's own supporters calling those who thought that maybe we should take pre-election polling data seriously "concerned TROLLS" probably didn't help the cause either. Because of that, I question the quality of some of the people who may have been doing the groundwork for the candidate. The buck stops at Romney and the GOPe.

This is a loss for RINOs.

18 posted on 11/07/2012 3:06:05 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: newnhdad
It wasn’t Mitt’s fault that people stayed home, if they did.

Actually it is. But I doubt they stayed home. They voted for the other guy.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 3:08:09 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: granada
But how do you explain Allen West’s election loss?

Was it a campaign for a seat he already had or a seat in a different district?

20 posted on 11/07/2012 3:11:44 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: Bigtigermike

We don’t have to shut the country down zero is doing it for us.

“there is no enemy more dangerous than the one within you own gate...”. Cicero.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 3:14:03 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Timber Rattler
This was from a month or so ago...

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22 posted on 11/07/2012 3:16:35 AM PST by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: Bigtigermike

I think it falls on the fact that communists do not give up power. The election was rigged. 2008 was a bloodless coup. They allowed us to vote to keep us quiet.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 3:18:22 AM PST by Wage Slave (Army Mom!)
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To: granada

“But how do you explain Allen West’s election loss?”

I think his rhetoric was a bit too over the top for our squishy generation. He could’ve been a solid conservative without creating so much attention to himself and he’d have a better chance.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 3:18:29 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: ducttape45

. Until a viable conservative candidate comes along, the GOPe will continue to run these RINOs out there and they will be defeated every time.

No, the GOPe will still keep pushing RINOs. As long as the party is run by these anti constitution, left of center folks, the GOP will continue to lose.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 3:23:20 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Bigtigermike

You cannot ignore the power of an extremely biased media upon an under-educated electorate. I think the post-mortem will also show that the “war on women” tipped the scale. The country is 50% divorced from its strong work ethic and about 2/3 divorced from a right to life.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 3:26:28 AM PST by Puddleglum (The road to the White House goes through Benghazi.)
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To: newnhdad

You are right and make a number of key points. The real fault is that we allowed our education system to become brainwashing factories. And we changed the immigration policies, so that we got large numbers of people from 3rd world countries, who have no real tie to this country. And also refused to face up to the implications of illegal “immigration” a long time ago. We read too much into the post-WWII prosperity, and thought we were invincible. We failed to realize the long term consequences of the 60s. In other words, we are reaping the results of mistakes made a long time ago, and which continue to this day. The mistakes are numerous, and cannot be undone. Not in the short amount of time before demographics take over. In four years, the electorate will be even more heavily “minority”, and students coming out 4 years from now will be even more brainwashed than they are now. And so we have lost our country. There is no-one to fight, you can’t win hearts and minds when those hearts and minds view you with utter contempt.

Ronald Reagan may have won today. But not in four years. The Leftists know that they can get away with whatever they want. The GOP congress isn’t even token opposition. The Leftists will continue to divide this country, preaching their gospel of hatred, contempt, and revenge. And it will ring true to the voters who pulled the lever for a manifest failure of a president, and also to the hordes of 3rd world residents destined to arrive on our shores.

This wasn’t Mitt Romney’s fault. It wasn’t the GOP’s fault. This was the fault of millions of people, over a period of decades, who thought that America was invulnerable because America had always survived and thrived.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 3:30:48 AM PST by jjsheridan5
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To: RKBA Democrat

To Gov. Romney’s credit he ran a competent campaign, ran hard and did as good of a job as any of us could hope for. It would be convenient to try to attach blame to him.

He did as well as Mitt Romney could. He needed to be someone else. Maybe someone that wasn’t pro gay and pro socialized healthcare along with a less privileged background. It would also have helped if we had chosen a candidate that drew most of his support from states that a Republican could win. We need closed primaries.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 3:33:05 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: linn37
Bull crap its ultimately on the voters. It always has been.

Yep.

29 posted on 11/07/2012 3:38:28 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood...lot's of blood.)
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To: Wage Slave

That’s what I think.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 3:44:26 AM PST by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL= SLAVERY)
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To: Bigtigermike
  1. The media did not report on food inflation - there was no "misery index." Mitt, shockingly, did not bring up the issue much.
  2. Food stamps inflate the cost of food - when you are paying with real money in a market flooded with play money, food prices go up.
  3. No one cared about point 2, above, so long as they got theirs.
  4. When you get into a bidding contest of who's going to give away more free stuff, the socialist wins. Mitt missed the chance to argue for lowering health costs and lowering the cost of education (and food, and energy).
  5. The media covered for O on so many issues - inflation, the failure of the Arab Spring (Benghazi), poor job numbers, the crippling effects of gov regulation on the economy
  6. People are apathetic
  7. There is some disparity in motivated R voter turnout vs voting results which I do not understand yet.

31 posted on 11/07/2012 3:56:30 AM PST by Puddleglum (The road to the White House goes through Benghazi.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Please...Romney/Ryan ran a good campaign. Blame the voters. They want to try socialism period. Well they can have it. Iam making plans to leave. Forget about 2016 count me out. I am done.

Romney would have made a fine President. He offered real solutions but they rejected them. Instead they ignored the state of this country and it is only going to get worse.

Quit blaming Romney. What about the media? They had a hand in driving this election. Fraud? You bet. The next election if there is one there I said it will be more the same.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 3:58:05 AM PST by waxer1 (Don't vote for revenge. Vote for love of country-Mitt Romney)
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To: Bigtigermike

We can blame it on the Establishment, on the nominee, on several things...but the MAIN reason we are in this mess is because of all of our choices.

“Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.” ... Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Until we come to the place of GREAT repentance on the part of the majority of this nation, we will see an increasingly worse scenario. The CHANGE that is really needed is spiritual. History teaches this. The Sacred Scriptures teach this. Why don’t we want to learn?


33 posted on 11/07/2012 4:10:07 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: freedomfiter2

“No, the GOPe will still keep pushing RINOs. As long as the party is run by these anti constitution, left of center folks, the GOP will continue to lose.”

Ronald Reagan couldn’t get elected last night. America has changed in demographics to the point that America is America no more. Voters had a choice between a white Republican who wanted to create jobs and a black Marxist who gives out phones and food stamps.

Voters no longer want a job. They want food stamps. And “free” abortions and “free” birth control and “free” phones.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 4:16:24 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: Bigtigermike

I blame all Republicans who b*tched that Romney wasn’t the right man. THEY are responsible. They didn’t have EXACTLY who they wanted and they whined!


35 posted on 11/07/2012 4:19:12 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Bigtigermike
Demography is destiny. We have reaced a tipping point. The Democrats are well on their way to becoming the permanent majority party. Hillary will win in 2016 because the Dems have cobbled together an increasing majority of minorities and liberal non-Hispanic whites supported by the expansion of the welfare state.

Obamacare will be fully implemented and Obama will appoint several more liberal SCOTUS justices to remove the Constitutional safeguards. I don't blame Romney at all. It all goes back to the 1965 Immigration Act that changed this country forever.

36 posted on 11/07/2012 4:36:51 AM PST by kabar
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To: Bigtigermike

No.
It rides on the electorate. They made their choices.
Obama isn’t the problem. Romney isn’t the problem. The electorate is the problem - the parasites have taken over the host.


37 posted on 11/07/2012 4:39:32 AM PST by Little Ray (I have VOTED AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Bigtigermike
I was a huge critic of Romney because he wasn't conservative enough. However, there was no denying that he was much more conservative than Obama, and that he was the choice signifying conservatism and limited government in this election.

America knew who Obama was this time and they still voted for him.

You can't pin this on Romney.

There are now more takers than makers.

America is over.

38 posted on 11/07/2012 5:22:03 AM PST by Washi (Look on the bright side: the world is scheduled to end on Dec. 21st.)
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To: ari-freedom

I believe half his district was new do to redistricting. You might might be right about rhetoric just like Akin and Mourdock. What’s the old saying “Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.”


39 posted on 11/07/2012 5:35:20 AM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: tsowellfan
Actually it is. But I doubt they stayed home. They voted for the other guy.

Apparently, looking at the vote totals, they did stay home. Obama is down something like 10M votes from 2008, but Romney underperformed McCain's 2008 numbers by 3-4M. If Romney had gotten all of the McCain votes, he would have won.

40 posted on 11/07/2012 7:40:58 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Bigtigermike; All
You're another pathetic freeper in denial! Romney ran an excellent, professional campaign.

American voters decided to give the first black POTUS a second chance.

This was always the wild card. I've said it for the past two years: if it was John McCain or John F Kerry, reelection would've been unthinkable.

If you want to blame some candidates, blame Mourdock and Akin who lost 300K-500K votes compared to Romney's winning margins in those states. Were they RINOs? Were they GOPe? Were they godless false profit worshippers as I'd seen said about Romney?

Rush Limbaugh set up the War on Women in his foolish 'slut' battle with Sandra Fluke while Mourdock and Akin gave that talking-point life for the Democrats to rail against. Cain's bimbo eruptions didn't help either. I'm sure Rush will claim no responsibility.

41 posted on 11/07/2012 8:43:18 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: newzjunkey

Nope..... We warned you guys about Romneys ‘prevent defense’ strategy and were proven right. Sure he was more aggressive than a McCain or Dole but that’s not saying a lot. He allowed Obama to defined him early on without any real response thinking that with the bad economy that all he had to do was look competent and he would run out the clock.... Sorry, Romney is in a long line of Republican Estsblishment losers


42 posted on 11/07/2012 10:35:02 AM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: FerociousRabbit

Reagan couldn’t get nominated with the support of the GOPe, now or in 1980. They are the greatest enemy conservatives have.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 1:45:21 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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