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11-07-12 | Me

Posted on 11/07/2012 12:24:48 PM PST by Kevin in California

Something just doesn't add up about this whole election. One side of me is telling me that the election was legit while the other is telling me that election fraud is deeper than you and I may envision. It just seems out out the realm of possibilty that all the key states went in O's favor and not by big margins. Just enough to put him over the top. Coincidence or very well calculated?

Again, not a sore loser but something just doesn't add up and it's been gnawing at me all day.


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 12:24:50 PM PST by Kevin in California
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To: Kevin in California

Lots of fraud.

And lots of morons who decided at the last minute that Obama’s Sandy photo-op was reason enough to give him another four years.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 12:27:09 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Kevin in California

Same here. Palm Beach/Miami Dade held their numbers until Pensacola posted theirs and then BOOM Florida called. Ohio was for Romney and then suddenly heavy voting appears in Cuyahoga.

I’m thinking massive amounts of fraud or voting numbers misreported.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 12:27:09 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Kevin in California

“Dirty Harry”said it ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Obongo is The Biggest FRAUD EVER Perpetrated on The American People!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


4 posted on 11/07/2012 12:27:56 PM PST by bandleader
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To: Kevin in California
Told my wife that the liberals have had four years to reflect on the last election and fine tune the fraud machine. It was not a fluke, I would stake my left gonad that it was stolen.

They knew it had to be that way after the first year or two of Zero's stupidity and them seeing the rejection building.

5 posted on 11/07/2012 12:28:04 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Kevin in California

Four years ago, Obama’s team started working every single district they HAD to have in the predicted Swing States of 2012. They had an excellent ground game, and it paid off. Count early voting as their edge, as well. They kept up with all those early votes, and knew how many they had to come up with last night to put O over the top.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 12:28:41 PM PST by Galtoid ( .)
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To: Kevin in California

Wasn’t there some story about a Soros-owned Spanish Company who was to count the votes?


7 posted on 11/07/2012 12:29:42 PM PST by eCSMaster (Indep. Payment Advisory Board = "Death Panels")
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To: Kevin in California

perhaps because the “deciding precincts” seemed to be the last to report, as usual?

Nothing to see here...just accept and move along, please.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 12:30:25 PM PST by LadyBuck (In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher')
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To: Kevin in California

Voter fraud is massive in the US. We are basically third world.

I was actually on board with the UN monitoring our elections. It’s actually quite necessary. Especially in the cities.

The only cure is to make it so that those caught are tried for treason - which it is. And then executed.

Voter fraud is a coup. A coup is an attack against the citizen and the state. To treat it as a smaller offense than a B&E is laughable.

People are beginning to realize that their vote is irrelevant. That’s when the assassinations begin as citizens look for solutions outside of the election system.

That’s when it starts to get really ugly.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 12:31:36 PM PST by Noamie
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To: Kevin in California

I agree- but am not sure it’s the sane part of me that agrees.

These results FLY in the face of reason and logic and common sense. However, voter fraud on a scale it would require to accomplish this- in all the swing states ALSO flies in the face of logic.

Still- it just doesn’t seem to fit with what we all were seeing across the country. What really baffles me is an overwhelming majority of voters said (in exit polls) they want LESS GOVERNMENT in their lives...and then turn around and vote for this man.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 12:32:05 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Kevin in California

I do believe that it is exactly as you say. Our voting system has been turned into that of a Banana Republic. But it is also true that it is so close that the election can be stolen. It would be even easier to steal next time. If their is a next time. Because we are slip sliding away. Personally I don’t believe that their will even be a next time. And even if there is. I am not looking forward to it.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 12:32:14 PM PST by Revel
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To: Kevin in California

I have been wondering if the Dem poll watchers were keeping tally and were able to call in the extra voters that they needed to pad the margins in tight races. There were so many waiting in line so late, I was struck by the opportunity for voter fraud. One guy said he had voted six times at different polls in the early voting. I don’t believe that the citizenry really wants four more years of the disaster we have already been experiencing


12 posted on 11/07/2012 12:32:14 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: SE Mom

Exactly- I just find it very hard to believe every state that was needed for “O” just mysteriously and conveniently fell right into place and in his favor. It was like a domino effect in a sense.

Spilled milk now as our election system is now not a reliable one.

I pray for my country!


13 posted on 11/07/2012 12:36:39 PM PST by Kevin in California
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To: BenLurkin

Not necessarily fraud on a wide scale, but a HUGE pool of voters who have never developed critical thinking. That coupled with specious arguments advanced by the media either defending Bronco Bama, or concealing the events surrounding a number of actions, which in another era would have been disclosed as grand malfeasance of duties or outright criminal behavior, not all of which are made known outside the Oval Office or Cabinet meetings.

The conspiracy is wide, and a lot of the threads could be traced back to the machinations of the international operations of the George Soros organization.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 12:37:26 PM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: Kevin in California

Rush had it right today. There are more of THEM than there are US. There are now more takers than there are providers.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 12:37:54 PM PST by SootyFoot2
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To: Kevin in California

I’ve been having the same nagging thoughts, too. It’s just almost unbelievable to me that the R-voter turnout was as low as they claim and that O one in all of these states. Especially after the precint reports I was reading here on FR yesterday.

But, you’re right...what’s done is done.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 12:39:33 PM PST by txmissy
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To: Kevin in California

The tin foil hat tells me you may be right. Or maybe it’s the collender, which lets my thoughts out while keeping other from getting in.

Seriously, Romney was dead even in all of those states, and narrowly lost ALL of them? Too much a coincidence and in politics nothing happens by coincidence. Of course, the media is complicit and will mock qnyone suggesting fraud as a collender wearer.

The game was rigged from the get-go. I feel sorry for Romney. He fought his ass off, thinking he ever had a chance.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 12:40:18 PM PST by henkster (If you let them do it to you, you got yourself to blame.)
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To: SE Mom
There was extensive early voting.

And enormous lines at polling places.

And extended hours so everybody could vote.

Yet the total number of votes cast was less than or roughly equal to the number cast in 2008?

Something smells here.

18 posted on 11/07/2012 12:41:42 PM PST by eCSMaster (Indep. Payment Advisory Board = "Death Panels")
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To: SootyFoot2

“Rush had it right today. There are more of THEM than there are US. There are now more takers than there are providers.”

Nobody likes to pay for the freebies from the Gummint,BUT
Nobody wants their Grandma, Mom, Uncle, Cousin,Baby Momma,ETC, to go without their slice of Gummint Cheese.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 12:43:46 PM PST by Einherjar ( Asking only workman's wages I come looking for a job But I get no offers...)
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To: Kevin in California
One side of me is telling me that the election was legit while the other is telling me that election fraud is deeper than you and I may envision.

Axelrod *guaranteed* Obama would win key battleground states. And he did. Was he prophetic? Or did he know something we don't?

20 posted on 11/07/2012 12:43:54 PM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: Kevin in California

1. Fraud
2. Voters who want “free” stuff
3. Fraud
4. Weak Republican candidate
5. Fraud


21 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:50 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Behind enemy lines in Mexifornia...)
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To: Kevin in California

I said it repeatedly, Cook County went national.

Yesterday was exactly as I expected.

There are enough takers in this society to make the use of fraud possible.

And for this reason - and because Crook County is indeed national - we’ve seen our last ‘honest’ elections back in 2008.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 12:47:16 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kevin in California

Early voting is like holding the gates open for the invaders and pointing out the valuables.

I see one of my former hardcore union neighbors chose yesterday to drive up from his home in Florida to visit his brother who lives in the home he owns here. He apparently just drove to Michigan for a single day because he appears to be gone now.

My militant lesbian cousin was bragging online that gays and lesbians in Minnesota were having election eve slumber parties with out of state friends.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 12:48:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kevin in California

Supportive dependents are easy to get when you write very large checks on someone else’s money.
Sympathetic votes are easy to get if you target the right districts via a good statistician.

47% dependents + 4% sympathetic thereto = 51% majority.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 12:48:46 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: eCSMaster
Wasn’t there some story about a Soros-owned Spanish Company who was to count the votes?

You might be thinking of Diebold. Here's an excellent article about the vulnerabilities of their voting machines.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/22/electronic-voting-machines-2012_n_1992992.html

There are quite a few internet articles connecting Diebold and George Soros. But it's hard to tell if the articles are true or just goofy conspiracy theories.

25 posted on 11/07/2012 12:53:33 PM PST by Leaning Right
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To: LadyBuck

Wayne county (Detroit), Berrien county (Benton Harlem) and Genesee county (Flint) still don’t have their tallies listed with the secretary of state.

http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election/results/12GEN/01000000.html


26 posted on 11/07/2012 12:53:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Noamie
That’s when the assassinations begin as citizens look for solutions outside of the election system.

That is where things like this are headed. The Left seems to think they can simply keep introducing gun grabbing legislation and they'll nip it in the bud. Wrongo.

27 posted on 11/07/2012 12:54:47 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 1)
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To: Kevin in California

I agree. Everything worked out too much like a charm for democrat, especially considering this should have been a strong year for us and a down year for them.

We have ample evidence of democrats stuffing the ballots and doing other things over the year. But this current crop of democrats, especially those in the White House, are completely without scruple as illustrated by Fast & Furious and the actions (or in-actions) leading up to, during, and after the Benghazi massacre. They have had years to rig this election and it is not a stretch to suppose that they went over and beyond what democrats have ever done in the past.

And why not? They can get away with anything as evidenced by F&F and Benghazi, even if caught with both hands in the cookie jar. The press could care less outside of Fox News, and the mainstream of America has been repeatedly told by the mainstream media that Fox is ridiculously biased and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

It makes me wonder. If democrats did rig things to such a degree, it could explain why Obama sloughed off his preparation for the 1st debate. Why worry about it, since the election is in the bag anyway? He performed so badly though that he had to take the remaining debates more seriously in order to save face.

Also, there was a headline last night saying Obama had a concession speech already written in case he lost. This could be misdirection by trying to give the impression that he really was concerned that he might actually lose and thus was sweating it out. For it seems strange that Obama would reveal that he had such a speech ready to go since he usually goes out of his way to avoid showing that he is worried or that he might be vulnerable.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 12:58:56 PM PST by Humbug
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To: Kevin in California

Fraud. Individual usual fraud and massive manipulation of voting machines. Notice it was not done as a landslide. They were so scared by the TEA Party 2010 election results that they ramped up the fraud to ensure a dem win this time.
There will be no more “usual” fraud elections. They know how to do this now, our votes are seeming to be only an act now, send the dupes to the polls to cast manipulated votes, let the dems win almost everything. There goes America. Israel has the last remaining Leader with a capital L. I stand with Israel and against the evil Hussein who stands with his islamic “brotherhood”. We are living in a country where a “100 percent” victory for a future dem is quite possible.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 1:09:51 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (Dems to Amerika : "All ur votes belong to us.")
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To: Kevin in California

I feel the same way. It just doesn’t add up. This was not 2008, and there were plenty if people who voted for the Asshat in 08 that would not vote for him now. This doesn’t fit with the 2010 movement. They knew the key states, and knowing they were close they could manipulate the out come. It sounds tin foil hat like but look at every other brazen thing they have done and gotten away with, a little election fraud ain’t know big thing for them. It’s standard Chicago operating procedure.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 1:11:04 PM PST by Newton (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Kevin in California
Until there are consequences for voter fraud - it has & will continue.

There MUST be heavy fines & jail time to stop it.

Look how many people bragged that they voted 3 & 4 times.The polling places had poster of Obama hanging, precint judges were wearing Obama T-shirt & hats. Republcan precinct judges were barred & a judge had to order them back in.

In the meantime, while they were booted out - there was plenty of time to stuff ballot boxes.

31 posted on 11/07/2012 1:12:53 PM PST by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: TheConservativeParty

There was no fraud. Atty General Holder says there was no fraud. /sarc/


32 posted on 11/07/2012 1:12:59 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: SootyFoot2
"Rush had it right today. There are more of THEM than there are US. There are now more takers than there are providers."

Actually the country is almost equally divided. There was a razor thin - just under 50% who voted for Obama & just under 50% who voted for Romney.

I tend to agree that voter fraud was a big factor in Obama's re-election.

33 posted on 11/07/2012 1:21:34 PM PST by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: Noamie

Ohhhh wow! You wrote the “A” word. Men in black suits knocking on your door in 3.. 2...


34 posted on 11/07/2012 1:21:48 PM PST by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV))
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To: Leaning Right
Not Diebold, but Scytl.

Scytl

35 posted on 11/07/2012 1:21:52 PM PST by eCSMaster (Indep. Payment Advisory Board = "Death Panels")
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To: Kevin in California

I don’t get it either. Romney was pulling in crowds of more than 30,000+ in the last few weeks. The Red Rocks crowd in Colorado was mind-boggling. The huge crowd in Pennsylvania on Sunday night was authentic and amazing. The photo of the parking garage in Pittsburgh from yesterday was incredible. Everywhere he and/or Ryan went, there were thousands of excited supporters.

Obama spoke to a half-empty arena Monday night. It was noted repeatedly in multiple sources that his events had FAR fewer than Romney and much fewer than his own in 2008.

Here in Florida, the GOP counties had incredible enthusiasm. Here in Democratic Leon County, there were tons of Romney signs and stickers everywhere. I was shocked that Obama won Florida, though by a tiny margin.

So...where did all these people for Romney go? I find it impossible to believe that much enthusiasm just vanished.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 1:23:40 PM PST by AUJenn
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To: Kevin in California

I agree that it all worked out just a little too conveniently for the Marxist. He got JUST enough votes in each of the swing states to put him over the top in each one. And there wasn’t even any late counting, found ballot boxes, etc. It was all built into the voting machines.

We’ll never have another real election in this country again, at least not one the feds care about.


37 posted on 11/07/2012 1:31:31 PM PST by JustaCowgirl (Revolutions are not born out of success, they are born out of despair)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Some really schizophrenic results in Michigan. 52/47 obama over Romney. 58/38 Stabenow over Hoekstra but the union and green energy ballot proposals were crushed.

We held all the house seats.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 1:37:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kevin in California

I do not believe the exit polls....any of them.

I firmly believe we have just been the victims of the biggest fraud in the history of mankind.

I refuse to believe that the American people were energized to vote for President Obama yesterday.

This election could be a script from a movie, therefore, I am starting to believe it was designed as such.

I think it is far more likely that a plan has been in the works to corrupt this cycle since 2010.

Multiple blue states voted for every Democrat in statewide races by a similar count as what President Obama gained in that state.

States that typically split their statewide vote went 100% Democrat for every statewide race. That can only come from straight party-line voting.

If you wanted to demoralize your opponents, and had the ability, you would arrange the votes in a few safe districts within a few states to overwhelm the other party’s safe districts, regardless of turnout.

Then, you would ensure the exit polling contradicted everything your opponents believe, everything they expect and everything they support.

At that point, your opponents would turn on each other, re-think their beliefs and dissolve into irrelevance.

Who would have thought that four years ago, the United States would elect a man who served only 40 months in the US Senate to the White House? Who would have thought his background, his history and his performance would be protected, minimized or dismissed over the course his first term?

If an evil alliance of socialists and islamists really exist in our world, could they have engineered such events?


39 posted on 11/07/2012 1:39:59 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Kevin in California
Yet the total number of votes cast was less than or roughly equal to the number cast in 2008

Only odd-numbered Republican votes got counted....?

40 posted on 11/07/2012 2:19:30 PM PST by Rapscallion ( OBAMA: You own it now.)
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To: Kevin in California

Seeing that Romney barely matched McCain...I’d say forget about the fraud...alot of GOP just plain stayed home.

I read today an intersting observation:

Romney did well where Obama did well (urban areas)....just not as well.

Romney did poorly where Obama did poorly (rural areas)....but not as poorly.

The urban areas being larger than the rural areas, it was a fait accompli that Obama would win.

Or in other words - Obama was better at being liberal than Romney. It was an interesting analysis, which pointed to the necessity of finding a candidate who would do WELL in rural areas. When you really look at it, Romney has danced with being pro-choice, he has badmouthed coal in the past, of course there was his healthcare plan, and I think he even signed some gun control legislation. Looking back on it, of course he wasn’t going to fire up the base in rural areas...and he wasn’t going to ‘outbama’ Barry in the urban areas.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 2:27:08 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Kevin in California

Yeah, I believe it was rigged as well. Label me the appropriate nickname I don’t care.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 2:55:15 PM PST by AmericanSamurai
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To: Kevin in California

You have to give Nate Silver credit for accurately predicting the voting, based on rational use of survey data. Maybe the problem isn’t fraud at all, but systematic misinformation. The election results came as a great surprise to many people, but shouldn’t have.

What we have is a media problem, and specifically too many people trusting sources they should not. Are you?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/how-conservative-media-lost-to-the-msm-and-failed-the-rank-and-file/264855/


43 posted on 11/07/2012 4:09:42 PM PST by tubino
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To: Kevin in California

5% of voters in FL and OH voted for the President and did not vote for the Senator.


44 posted on 11/07/2012 4:11:09 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: SE Mom
What really baffles me is an overwhelming majority of voters said (in exit polls) they want LESS GOVERNMENT in their lives...and then turn around and vote for this man.

To them, Big Government means Mourdock and Akin dictating which rapist's babies need to be carried to term. It means old white guys preventing their gay and lesbian friends from getting married. It means government refusing to give them free birth control, because it wants to control their sexual behavior. It means politicians spending money on the military instead of the free health care the people "need".

We have a big problem with definitions. And with the fact that young Americans want the upper middle class lifestyles they see on television without having to do any real work to achieve them.

45 posted on 11/07/2012 4:49:12 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: SE Mom
What really baffles me is an overwhelming majority of voters said (in exit polls) they want LESS GOVERNMENT in their lives...and then turn around and vote for this man.

To them, Big Government means Mourdock and Akin dictating which rapist's babies need to be carried to term. It means old white guys preventing their gay and lesbian friends from getting married. It means government refusing to give them free birth control, because it wants to control their sexual behavior. It means politicians spending money on the military instead of the free health care the people "need".

We have a big problem with definitions. And with the fact that young Americans want the upper middle class lifestyles they see on television without having to do any real work to achieve them.

46 posted on 11/07/2012 4:49:13 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Kevin in California

Let me state up front that I am liberal, not conservative. I might find it interesting to discuss/debate with you this hypothesis of massive fraud, if you are willing to have a civil debate with a liberal.

My main argument against the possibility of fraud of this scale is that Nate Silver, Sam Wang, Simon Jackman and other statisticians all used polling data to forecast the electoral college results with high accuracy. Sam Wang did this using statistical algorithms that are implemented in MatLab with code that he has published. The source polling data is from Simon Jackman’s pollster.com (now associated with Huffington Post) and that polling data is freely available to everyone. So, anyone who is proficient with MatLab can inspect his source code and documentation in order to understand the analysis, and independently verify the results.

This means that if the Obama campaign somehow committed large scale fraud, there must have been some collusion between the Obama campaign, the statisticians who created the forecasting models, and all of the polling organizations that created the datasets used by the statisticians.

It seems obvious to me that such large scale collusion can’t possibly be done without someone deciding to blow the whistle, but of course the same is true for various long-lived conspiracy theories.

The other side of the argument has already been articulated well by lacrew in post 41. There is a lot of evidence that Romney simply wasn’t a great candidate. It’s clear to me that many people wanted Obama to lose. It’s not so clear that there was a significant portion of the population that was genuinely excited by Romney in particular.

Obama’s biggest weakness was the economy. But polling data (both before the election and exit polls) make it pretty clear that Obama was able to convince half the country that he had handled the economy as well as he could under the circumstances.

So, to Kevin or anyone here who is inclined to think that large scale fraud is the only possible explanation for Romney’s loss, where are the weak links in the above arguments?


47 posted on 11/07/2012 5:07:11 PM PST by Diax (A San Francisco liberal)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I agree with your analysis.

I weep for my childrens future.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 6:06:53 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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To: Kevin in California; LucyT

wife and i wondering same thing before reading this post.
just how close were the swings?? we didnt stay up and look
at numbers state by state.


49 posted on 11/07/2012 6:10:46 PM PST by urtax$@work (The only kind of memorial is a Burning memorial !)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Mr. Jeeves came close to representing my views. I don’t want my government imposing religious beliefs on secular society. In particular I don’t want men defining policies that adversely affect women’s health.

I agree that young Americans want the upper middle class lifestyle. And I suppose it is true that many of these people only see that lifestyle on television, though in the SF Bay area they see that lifestyle all around them. I disagree with the notion that all these young people, or even a majority of them expect to be able to have that lifestyle without doing any real work. I see lots of young people working very hard to learn programming skills and trying to come up with an idea to turn into a startup.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 6:44:18 PM PST by Diax (A San Francisco liberal)
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