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Petition started asking Obama to allow Texas to secede from the Union
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Posted on 11/09/2012 6:58:13 PM PST by oneprolifewoman

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To: JoeDetweiler
The bigger problem is how do you fit 150 million people into Texas?

Physically, not a problem - lot of room there. The key would be to allow free market capitalism to run free of government interference domestically and internationally with minimal taxes and tariffs. Texas would be sustainably wealthy like any society that allows the free market to run.

Texas would need to adopt the United States Constitution as good, sound law of the land so it would be under the rule of law not the rule of man. Government limited to protecting it's citizens from legitimate threats to life, liberty, and pursuits, no "entitlements" and only a few legitimate cabinet posts. And keep the three branches separate - no administrative laws and regulations. And somehow make the the Supreme Court accountable to interpret the constitution in good faith based on text and original intent and understanding.

Texas biggest problem would be how to create sufficient deterrents and defenses against foreign invasion.

51 posted on 11/09/2012 7:28:43 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: workerbee

Would it help to add Tennessee?


52 posted on 11/09/2012 7:29:44 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: RIghtwardHo

What’s wrong with it? Why can’t people part ways. It’s better than the alternatives. Walter E. Williams, who I respect greatly, thinks it’s a fine idea.


53 posted on 11/09/2012 7:31:08 PM PST by albionin
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To: oneprolifewoman
Texas is asking Obama to allow it to leave the Union?

Did the Colonists ask King George III to allow them to separate from England?

Just do it. I'm for it 100%.
54 posted on 11/09/2012 7:33:59 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: max americana
I would even make my own job stopping illegals and liberals from entering the new nation by aiming a gun at their heads at the border.

Hey, someone would have to do it, right? Once they go broke and start eating each other, they're going to try to get through one way or another.

Amnesty? NO WAY!

55 posted on 11/09/2012 7:39:14 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: carlo3b
Right off the bat, Texas would need to welcome immigrants the way America did as evidenced by the words carved on the base of the Statue of Liberty. Maybe Texas could buy the statue from the U.S since they don't really believe in it anymore.

Until the early 1900's, America stood for people as an asset not a liability. In a free society, people ARE an asset and welcomed, as long as they are peaceful mind their own business. The socialists think of people as liabilities having to be paid for. Not so in a free society.

56 posted on 11/09/2012 7:39:26 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: oneprolifewoman

Me thinks that there is talk of Alaska doing the same thing.


57 posted on 11/09/2012 7:42:27 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Our military does not kill babies, those that commit abortion kill babies.)
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To: hopespringseternal

I think you misunderstand me. My “steak dinner” offer was meant to be sarcastic to those who think Texas will somehow escape the fate of the rest of us. Because I agree with you — in 10 years, “red” states will be few and far between. EVEN Texas.

I would rather eat nails than have to admit this truth, but there it is. Please keep in mind, I live in ultra-blue Maryland.... knowing that the mythical Lone Star State of Texas will soon be consumed by socialism does NOT warm my heart.


58 posted on 11/09/2012 7:44:35 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
I see the country breaking up into three.

Former Latin geeks will remember ... All Gaul is divided in three parts. ...

I also see a (mostly) peaceful split. It's time to go our separate ways.

In any relationship, you fight to make it work ... and at some point you say "well, it's all been laid out on the table honestly, and we just don't see the world the same way"

For once, we could just agree to disagree, no need to live with each other's choices, no need to be angry.

But we would also need a strong anti-immigration policy addressing those in the other US, because within 3 years, they'd be climbing over our fences trash-picking our yards and bank accounts. Strict anti-anti-gun-control laws will be helpful at that point. And I did mean "anti" twice.

59 posted on 11/09/2012 7:45:19 PM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: oneprolifewoman

Don’t ask permission. Just do it if you’re doing it.


60 posted on 11/09/2012 7:48:15 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: oneprolifewoman

You don!t ASK for permission to secede!


61 posted on 11/09/2012 7:48:38 PM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: lightman

Louisiana is looking to secede too.


62 posted on 11/09/2012 7:49:17 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
Well, with

1) the right Constitution (should be the same as the U.S. Constitution, the greatest political document in history),

2) the free market allow to run domestically and internationally without government interference, and

3) (most difficult at least at first) an effective deterrent and defense against foreign invasion,

it might work. Alaska's a big state but no a lot of areas that are livable.

63 posted on 11/09/2012 7:50:10 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: concerned about politics

“You’ve got to find Galt’s Gulch. I’ll build the d—n thing myself if I have to.” -=- Glenn Beck


64 posted on 11/09/2012 7:51:40 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: tomkat

Create a phony account. Tell them you’re Osama bin Laden. Hey, he donated to Obama’s re-election campaign.


65 posted on 11/09/2012 7:54:01 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: HannibalHamlinJr
I also see a (mostly) peaceful split. It's time to go our separate ways.

Are you really so naive?

A split of red states and blue states means that the blue states don't get the money they need/want to remain blue states.

They may hate, mock, insult and malign the red states, but they (the blue states) know damn well who funds their blueness. And they will never, EVER peacefully give it up!

66 posted on 11/09/2012 7:54:01 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: basil

Don’t forget Arkansas, we are a red state and we are connected to Texas also!


67 posted on 11/09/2012 7:54:25 PM PST by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (When all the working class leave California what will be left?)
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To: PapaNew

A mailing I received on Wednesday (I assume it is permissible to copy and reprint it here):

Throughout successive regimes in Washington, the Texas Nationalist Movement has fought for the freedom and independence of Texas.

It is guaranteed to us in the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution, reinforced in Article 1 Section 1 of the Texas Constitution, secured in Article 1 Section 2 of the same Constitution and, more than all of those, it is a guaranteed right on the level of freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the right to bear arms. Our freedom and independence are sacred to Texans.

Indeed, Article 1 Section 1 ends with the words, “the perpetuity of union depends on the right of local self-government unimpaired to all the states.”

This presidential election serves as a clear signal from the rest of the Union to Texas - we do not care for your right of local self-government and we do not share your values.

I am reminded of the line from the Texas Declaration of Independence that states, “We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion, that the Mexican people have acquiesced in the destruction of their liberty, and the substitution therfor of a military government; that they are unfit to be free, and incapable of self government.”

Tonight, the Union seceded from Texas.

While the alternative candidate could not have alone saved the United States from the looming economic disaster nor could he single-handedly have repaired the damage to our liberties and the Constitution which is the sole thread holding this union together, his opponent represented a descent into the final destruction of the republican form of government envisioned by the Founders of the United States and Texas.

With this, Texas cannot abide.

I again, as I have done for many years, issue the call to all Texans who love liberty to rally with the Texas Nationalist Movement to erect a bulwark against the escape from freedom that has taken hold in the rest of the states. It is our duty to stand tall and become the example of what a free and independent people can be.

I urge all Texans to stand with us as together as we follow the examples of the heroes of 1836 and declare that Texas is and forever will be free and independent.

You can declare your independence at http://www.texasnationalist.com.


68 posted on 11/09/2012 7:54:25 PM PST by T Baden (Tenth Amendment Texan)
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To: HannibalHamlinJr

This has me thinking of a line from my favorite book, Walden. He wasn’t talking about something different but it fits here if the new republic of Texas was to allow immigration from the blue countries.

“They would have to be passed through a powerful press first, to squeeze their old notions out of them, so that they would not soon get upon their legs again; and then there would be some one in the company with a maggot in his head, hatched from an egg deposited there nobody knows when, for not even fire kills these things, and you would have lost your labor.”

Eventually the same old ideas of the welfare state and egalitarianism would infect the new country but it would be long after we are all dead and probably our children.


69 posted on 11/09/2012 7:55:32 PM PST by albionin
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To: molson209

but how much of Texas is federal land ,that Obama would keep

Very little


70 posted on 11/09/2012 7:56:09 PM PST by Figment
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To: albionin

Oops. Wasn’t was supposed to be was.


71 posted on 11/09/2012 7:58:21 PM PST by albionin
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To: TBP

Yeah I know .. sorry, the whole thing re ‘allow’ and the other just struck me as ‘twilight zone’ hilarious !


72 posted on 11/09/2012 7:59:47 PM PST by tomkat
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To: oneprolifewoman

TIMELINE:
Texas announces it is seceding from the USA

US announces that the states cannot secede and declares it will intercede to stop the process

LA announces it is joining TX

US establishes a land, sea and air blockade of TX and LA and threatens to use deadly force to back it up

OK announces it is joining TX and LA

TX “nationalizes” all US property and resources inside the TX border, including military bases and installations. (there are some minor firefights, but nothing serious)

TX has the military capability to stand off the US forces, specially when a lot of them will be reluctant to fire on TX citizens. (there are a lot of big Army and Air Force bases inside TX with a lot of Texans involved - any military personnel wishing to stay loyal to the US would be escorted to the border)

KS, NE, MS and AL announce they are joining the states leaving the US

TX declares all US agreements that involve TX resources null and void and announces the intention to re-negotiate any deals or treaties.

US backs down on the land and air components of the blockade, but makes it difficult and expensive to get into or out of TX and confiscates shipments and imprisons TX residents who leave TX.

TX retaliates in kind.

Border skirmishes break out and lives are lost, but nothing serious is accomplished in terms of military objectives.

TX must break the naval blockade to restore oil shipments. TX Air Natl Guard (now TX Air Force) planes attack US Navy ships in the Gulf of Mexico, lose several planes, but sink several ships. The blockade is fractured but not destroyed. (if only TX had a couple of good submarines)

ND, SD, AR, MO, KY announce they are joining the states leaving the US

US threatens to bomb the oil refineries at Galveston and Houston if the attacks continue.

TX threatens to escalate to using nukes if US bombs TX resources. (note that TX has the only nuclear weapon assembly plant in the US)

GA, SC, WV, WY, MT, ID, UT, AK announce they are joining the states leaving the US

At this point, the military blustering cools off somewhat and the conflict turns into primarily an economic standoff. TX needs the shipping lanes open. US needs TX oil. (there are many other resources involved too, but these are the primary ones)

TX is nearly self-sufficient by itself and if other states are included, the group can become self-sufficient, but without oil sales outside the borders, their economy suffers greatly. US economy is also crippled without TX oil, grain from KS and NE and other resources, but can continue.

If TX has to go this path alone, it may not work, but if other states join in, there is a tipping point where the US cannot effectively enforce an embargo across too many borders and too many miles and needs to sue for peace. US could allow the secession and negotiate deals and treaties with the new country, or offer concessions to get TX and the others to stay within the Union. Political upheaval inside the US could force the second option.


73 posted on 11/09/2012 8:01:48 PM PST by tentmaker (Galt's Gulch is a state of mind...)
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To: oneprolifewoman

I wish we would! Of course, when all the libs in their toilet states see how much better and prosperous Texas is, they will migrate here for a better life...and trot out all their retarded, failed ideology. Forget that! Texas had better build that mythical fence we keeping hearing about...and it had better encircle the ENTIRE state. FReepers welcome (well, some of you, anyway).


74 posted on 11/09/2012 8:03:18 PM PST by TXBlair (What the crap is wrong with you, America???)
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To: JoeDetweiler

First, if it comes down to it, not a single Texan will “ask” nobama a damn thing.

Second, Texas is also a frame of mind and that frame of mind is easily expandable.


75 posted on 11/09/2012 8:03:23 PM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: tentmaker

As long as you are dreaming in the timeline, you should really include TN in there. This is especially true if you include Kentucky.


76 posted on 11/09/2012 8:05:55 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: workerbee
No I'm not kidding. No, I'm definitely not naive.

Would they go down without what they think of as a fight? Of course not. Would their fight be powerful enough to rise to the level of non-peace? Of course not. Your're being naive :-) Their power consists of stage hypnosis, language and stories.

They throw paper cups, and their voters catch them. Ooh, I'm scared.

There would never be a greater mismatch in the history of man.

77 posted on 11/09/2012 8:06:54 PM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: Die_Hard Conservative Lady

Yeah—but you sent us the Clintoons-—ya know what I mean.

LOL! You’ll have to figure a way to work yourselves into our good graces again.........


78 posted on 11/09/2012 8:08:25 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: PapaNew
How would Texas create valid deterrents and defend itself from foreign invasion including the U.S.?

Insurgents always beat organizsed, mechanized militaries. So you don't need an army, you just need an entire male population, armed and ready to become insurgents. Since the Old Testament is a good tribal warfare manual, let's consult it --

From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies Numbers 1:3

Every male, 20 years and up, of sound mind and body, gets an AK47 -- the most successful insurgent weapon ever -- and is trained to use it, and keeps it at home with a stash of ammo. If they wish to buy handguns, Barrett 50 cals, etcs at their own expense, as a supplement to the mandatory AK47, they are free to do so.

Start universal marksmanship at age 10. Teach guerrilla tactics, IEDs, molotov cocktails, etc in High School, instead of wasting time in sports. Sun Tzu is mandatory reading. At 20, enroll them as militiamen, according to the Bible.

For extra security.. Every police station and city hall has a stash of extra rifles and ammo, plus RPGs for vehicles and Stingers for aircraft. All men must be taught how to use these weapons also.

Nobody will attack, nobody will invade.

79 posted on 11/09/2012 8:11:19 PM PST by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: HannibalHamlinJr

When in college in Nebraska 50+ years ago, when asked what was so good about Texas (my home state), I used to reply: “You name it, we’ve got it; if we don’t have it, we don’t want it; if we decide we want it, we’ll buy it.”

At my class’s 50th reunion last spring, a number of classmates from the past approvingly remembered my commentary from a half-century earlier. Texas is a state of mind ... which many people world-wide share.


80 posted on 11/09/2012 8:14:05 PM PST by T Baden (Tenth Amendment Texan)
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To: tentmaker

If MO and KY go, I’ll personally lead the effort to bring IL south of I-80.


81 posted on 11/09/2012 8:15:11 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: Rytwyng

OK, maybe that might work for on-the-ground defense up to a point. But without sufficient counter attack, how do you deal with superior naval, air, and missile capabilities capable of scorching Texas? What about things like nuclear deterrents.


82 posted on 11/09/2012 8:20:46 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: albionin

As evidenced by the former Czechoslovakia, there’s nothing wrong with it at all. All it takes is the will of the people to exercise self-determination. I have to believe a large portion of the rats would be more than willing to separate amicably. There is mutual animosity that will never be healed and both sides know it, so why not split before something terrible happens? Unless we’re all just going to bend over and accept the strangling embrace of socialism. It absolutely does not require bloodshed.


83 posted on 11/09/2012 8:21:49 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: PapaNew

It’s sounds as if you are assuming that the military en masse would descend upon Texas. I feel quite certain that there would be insurrection among the troops and many would side with Texas (because it is their home state or because their sympathies lie with the cause of freedom) and much of the fighting would end up being “in house” between factions in the branches of the military.


84 posted on 11/09/2012 8:29:32 PM PST by T Baden (Tenth Amendment Texan)
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To: basil

Don;t forget the Southeast. We’re red states, too.


85 posted on 11/09/2012 8:32:15 PM PST by beckysueb
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To: tentmaker

I can’t picture the Liberal fighting

If there was really chance Texas and/or any other state would secede, the economy & the dollar would collapse so fast (much faster than they already going to do anyhow) that the remaining US couldn’t do anything

Once those 1st of the month checks aren’t worth the gas it takes to drive to the bank to cash them, Liberals will first turn on each other. City after city will go “Katrina”.


86 posted on 11/09/2012 8:34:13 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: beckysueb

Texas seceding from the GOP would be a good start, we give them 38 EVs each election and we’re treated like dirt by the National GOP.


87 posted on 11/09/2012 8:35:02 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: beckysueb

And Idaho, Montana and Wyoming too. We have the makings of a fine country in all of the states mentioned. Not sure about My state of Colorado though. Getting pretty blue lately.


88 posted on 11/09/2012 8:36:26 PM PST by albionin
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To: oneprolifewoman

Here would be my ideas of some things that should be in place:
1) No statewide government welfare of any kind provided. Would be a disincentive for lazy liberals or illegals to move here. With very low taxes and a great business environment, and a strong base of Christians, the poor could be helped in a way that is on a smaller, more personal scale and that holds them accountable to quickly get back to work.Should be mostly church or private charity based. Individual cities or counties could come up with their own systems (work fare or something) if they wish, but there would be no statewide “program” of benefits . This would allow different cities to try different things but not burden the rest of the state if their ideas are impractical or if they run up debt. They would have to bear the consequences of their local decisions, no bailouts from the state level.

2)Dismantle public education in favor of vouchers, charter schools, etc.Clean out the university system and all teacher training colleges. (You really don’t need teacher training colleges for elementary and middle school - if students are taught very well and are self governed themselves, they should be capable of teaching younger kids basic math, English, etc by the time they are 19. See Laura Ingalls Wilder books) Think through ways of promoting higher education but eliminating the socialist indoctrination going on. If not, the infection of those ideas continues.
Mandatory courses on constitutional government and historical foundations of government should be required.

3) I agree with the previous poster who said there needs to be some requirements on the right to vote. Either proof that you worked or own a business, or possibly if you take any locally provided welfare you are not allowed to vote for 5 years, something like that. Also strict voter registration, voter ID required, stiff penalties for vote fraud, etc.


89 posted on 11/09/2012 8:38:22 PM PST by boxlunch
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To: PapaNew
OK, maybe that might work for on-the-ground defense up to a point. But without sufficient counter attack, how do you deal with superior naval, air, and missile capabilities capable of scorching Texas? What about things like nuclear deterrents.

You deal with the air power, with Stinger missles. It worked for Afghanistan. Call it "Operation Charlie Wilson".

You deal with naval power by retreating from the coast til they get tired of shelling you. If they land a ground force, every man has an AK47 and knows how to make IEDs, remember? It'll be Iraq to the 12th power. If they try a naval blockade, cut a deal with the Columbian traffickers (who are using Soviet subs to transport coke), to break the embargo.

As for missiles and nukes.... Short term, you publish the names, photos, and home addresses of every person in the decision chain, and let ALL your citizens know. If the button is pushed, the elites who pushed it will have to live in bullet proof bubbles for the rest of their lives, because, to quote Dune: "One day, one of us will get you!"

Long term, develop your own damn missles, nukes, and star-wars defense. All the frustrated scientist of the US will join you. "Houston, we do NOT have a problem!"

90 posted on 11/09/2012 8:39:28 PM PST by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: oneprolifewoman

Scotland is considering this over in the old country....why not here?

I envision the other red states would follow quickly along with the red areas of the blue states.

it could happen.


91 posted on 11/09/2012 8:42:38 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Guys guys it’s only 4 years then we get another shot. Who wants to live in Texas?! I want to live in America! Don’t give up, just a bump in the road, let’s get to work and rebuild the GOP!


92 posted on 11/09/2012 8:42:43 PM PST by ocloc13
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To: oneprolifewoman

“Of course, I don’t realistically think that Texas will actually secede,...”

Why? Buncha guys in white wigs with British accents didn’t think it was impossible way back when. King Oba- er, excuse me, King George didn’t like the idea, but that did not stop them, thank God.


93 posted on 11/09/2012 8:43:01 PM PST by mom of young patriots
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To: oneprolifewoman
If they go, I think Wild Horses couldn't drag them back.
94 posted on 11/09/2012 8:45:32 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: boxlunch

Those are all very sensible policies.


95 posted on 11/09/2012 8:45:32 PM PST by albionin
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To: oneprolifewoman

Wasn’t there some Russian who predicted the US would break up into several countries-——a few years ago. I think he said 2012 or later.

What do those Communists working for One World Government know????


96 posted on 11/09/2012 8:47:51 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ocloc13
Who wants to live in Texas?! I want to live in America!

Me too... but read my tag line....

97 posted on 11/09/2012 8:47:53 PM PST by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: oneprolifewoman

ALL states with Republican Governos MUST refuse to impliement Obamacare! Hussein is a fraud and we are in the right to block this non citizen/fraud at EVERY TURN!

The House must stop Obama.


98 posted on 11/09/2012 8:47:54 PM PST by Seal Team 6_
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To: Bullish

I would love to see the Real America take back the land.


99 posted on 11/09/2012 8:48:09 PM PST by Seal Team 6_
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To: workerbee
There is a solution, it is basically to return to the model the founders used. The left has been subverting our laws for a long time to get us to this point.

Simply put, we have handed the future of the country to people with no ability to see beyond their own belly. Voting should never be as universal as we have made it. If you are not employed, don't own anything, don't pay taxes and are on the dole, you have no skin in the game. All you can do is take, never produce. As we are seeing, it is suicidal to allow people like that to vote.

Ultimately there are two options: Join the party or leave it. The default choice is to join the party. If you do nothing that is your choice.

Joining the party is not going to be viable for anyone for very long. Europe has only been able to maintain it for so long because we were financing it. With Reid looking for another 2.4 trillion in an unimaginably short amount of time we aren't even going to be able to afford it here much longer. In fact, I am starting to come to the conclusion that they want something a lot worse than a permanent welfare state. I have to wonder if the fate of Greece is exactly what they want. Why, I can't fathom.

100 posted on 11/09/2012 8:48:32 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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