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Petition started asking Obama to allow Texas to secede from the Union
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Posted on 11/09/2012 6:58:13 PM PST by oneprolifewoman

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To: oneprolifewoman

You don!t ASK for permission to secede!

61 posted on 11/09/2012 7:48:38 PM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: lightman

Louisiana is looking to secede too.

62 posted on 11/09/2012 7:49:17 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
Well, with

1) the right Constitution (should be the same as the U.S. Constitution, the greatest political document in history),

2) the free market allow to run domestically and internationally without government interference, and

3) (most difficult at least at first) an effective deterrent and defense against foreign invasion,

it might work. Alaska's a big state but no a lot of areas that are livable.

63 posted on 11/09/2012 7:50:10 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: concerned about politics

“You’ve got to find Galt’s Gulch. I’ll build the d—n thing myself if I have to.” -=- Glenn Beck

64 posted on 11/09/2012 7:51:40 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: tomkat

Create a phony account. Tell them you’re Osama bin Laden. Hey, he donated to Obama’s re-election campaign.

65 posted on 11/09/2012 7:54:01 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: HannibalHamlinJr
I also see a (mostly) peaceful split. It's time to go our separate ways.

Are you really so naive?

A split of red states and blue states means that the blue states don't get the money they need/want to remain blue states.

They may hate, mock, insult and malign the red states, but they (the blue states) know damn well who funds their blueness. And they will never, EVER peacefully give it up!

66 posted on 11/09/2012 7:54:01 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: basil

Don’t forget Arkansas, we are a red state and we are connected to Texas also!

67 posted on 11/09/2012 7:54:25 PM PST by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (When all the working class leave California what will be left?)
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To: PapaNew

A mailing I received on Wednesday (I assume it is permissible to copy and reprint it here):

Throughout successive regimes in Washington, the Texas Nationalist Movement has fought for the freedom and independence of Texas.

It is guaranteed to us in the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution, reinforced in Article 1 Section 1 of the Texas Constitution, secured in Article 1 Section 2 of the same Constitution and, more than all of those, it is a guaranteed right on the level of freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the right to bear arms. Our freedom and independence are sacred to Texans.

Indeed, Article 1 Section 1 ends with the words, “the perpetuity of union depends on the right of local self-government unimpaired to all the states.”

This presidential election serves as a clear signal from the rest of the Union to Texas - we do not care for your right of local self-government and we do not share your values.

I am reminded of the line from the Texas Declaration of Independence that states, “We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion, that the Mexican people have acquiesced in the destruction of their liberty, and the substitution therfor of a military government; that they are unfit to be free, and incapable of self government.”

Tonight, the Union seceded from Texas.

While the alternative candidate could not have alone saved the United States from the looming economic disaster nor could he single-handedly have repaired the damage to our liberties and the Constitution which is the sole thread holding this union together, his opponent represented a descent into the final destruction of the republican form of government envisioned by the Founders of the United States and Texas.

With this, Texas cannot abide.

I again, as I have done for many years, issue the call to all Texans who love liberty to rally with the Texas Nationalist Movement to erect a bulwark against the escape from freedom that has taken hold in the rest of the states. It is our duty to stand tall and become the example of what a free and independent people can be.

I urge all Texans to stand with us as together as we follow the examples of the heroes of 1836 and declare that Texas is and forever will be free and independent.

You can declare your independence at

68 posted on 11/09/2012 7:54:25 PM PST by T Baden (Tenth Amendment Texan)
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To: HannibalHamlinJr

This has me thinking of a line from my favorite book, Walden. He wasn’t talking about something different but it fits here if the new republic of Texas was to allow immigration from the blue countries.

“They would have to be passed through a powerful press first, to squeeze their old notions out of them, so that they would not soon get upon their legs again; and then there would be some one in the company with a maggot in his head, hatched from an egg deposited there nobody knows when, for not even fire kills these things, and you would have lost your labor.”

Eventually the same old ideas of the welfare state and egalitarianism would infect the new country but it would be long after we are all dead and probably our children.

69 posted on 11/09/2012 7:55:32 PM PST by albionin
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To: molson209

but how much of Texas is federal land ,that Obama would keep

Very little

70 posted on 11/09/2012 7:56:09 PM PST by Figment
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To: albionin

Oops. Wasn’t was supposed to be was.

71 posted on 11/09/2012 7:58:21 PM PST by albionin
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Yeah I know .. sorry, the whole thing re ‘allow’ and the other just struck me as ‘twilight zone’ hilarious !

72 posted on 11/09/2012 7:59:47 PM PST by tomkat
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To: oneprolifewoman

Texas announces it is seceding from the USA

US announces that the states cannot secede and declares it will intercede to stop the process

LA announces it is joining TX

US establishes a land, sea and air blockade of TX and LA and threatens to use deadly force to back it up

OK announces it is joining TX and LA

TX “nationalizes” all US property and resources inside the TX border, including military bases and installations. (there are some minor firefights, but nothing serious)

TX has the military capability to stand off the US forces, specially when a lot of them will be reluctant to fire on TX citizens. (there are a lot of big Army and Air Force bases inside TX with a lot of Texans involved - any military personnel wishing to stay loyal to the US would be escorted to the border)

KS, NE, MS and AL announce they are joining the states leaving the US

TX declares all US agreements that involve TX resources null and void and announces the intention to re-negotiate any deals or treaties.

US backs down on the land and air components of the blockade, but makes it difficult and expensive to get into or out of TX and confiscates shipments and imprisons TX residents who leave TX.

TX retaliates in kind.

Border skirmishes break out and lives are lost, but nothing serious is accomplished in terms of military objectives.

TX must break the naval blockade to restore oil shipments. TX Air Natl Guard (now TX Air Force) planes attack US Navy ships in the Gulf of Mexico, lose several planes, but sink several ships. The blockade is fractured but not destroyed. (if only TX had a couple of good submarines)

ND, SD, AR, MO, KY announce they are joining the states leaving the US

US threatens to bomb the oil refineries at Galveston and Houston if the attacks continue.

TX threatens to escalate to using nukes if US bombs TX resources. (note that TX has the only nuclear weapon assembly plant in the US)

GA, SC, WV, WY, MT, ID, UT, AK announce they are joining the states leaving the US

At this point, the military blustering cools off somewhat and the conflict turns into primarily an economic standoff. TX needs the shipping lanes open. US needs TX oil. (there are many other resources involved too, but these are the primary ones)

TX is nearly self-sufficient by itself and if other states are included, the group can become self-sufficient, but without oil sales outside the borders, their economy suffers greatly. US economy is also crippled without TX oil, grain from KS and NE and other resources, but can continue.

If TX has to go this path alone, it may not work, but if other states join in, there is a tipping point where the US cannot effectively enforce an embargo across too many borders and too many miles and needs to sue for peace. US could allow the secession and negotiate deals and treaties with the new country, or offer concessions to get TX and the others to stay within the Union. Political upheaval inside the US could force the second option.

73 posted on 11/09/2012 8:01:48 PM PST by tentmaker (Galt's Gulch is a state of mind...)
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To: oneprolifewoman

I wish we would! Of course, when all the libs in their toilet states see how much better and prosperous Texas is, they will migrate here for a better life...and trot out all their retarded, failed ideology. Forget that! Texas had better build that mythical fence we keeping hearing about...and it had better encircle the ENTIRE state. FReepers welcome (well, some of you, anyway).

74 posted on 11/09/2012 8:03:18 PM PST by TXBlair (What the crap is wrong with you, America???)
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To: JoeDetweiler

First, if it comes down to it, not a single Texan will “ask” nobama a damn thing.

Second, Texas is also a frame of mind and that frame of mind is easily expandable.

75 posted on 11/09/2012 8:03:23 PM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: tentmaker

As long as you are dreaming in the timeline, you should really include TN in there. This is especially true if you include Kentucky.

76 posted on 11/09/2012 8:05:55 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: workerbee
No I'm not kidding. No, I'm definitely not naive.

Would they go down without what they think of as a fight? Of course not. Would their fight be powerful enough to rise to the level of non-peace? Of course not. Your're being naive :-) Their power consists of stage hypnosis, language and stories.

They throw paper cups, and their voters catch them. Ooh, I'm scared.

There would never be a greater mismatch in the history of man.

77 posted on 11/09/2012 8:06:54 PM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: Die_Hard Conservative Lady

Yeah—but you sent us the Clintoons-—ya know what I mean.

LOL! You’ll have to figure a way to work yourselves into our good graces again.........

78 posted on 11/09/2012 8:08:25 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment
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To: PapaNew
How would Texas create valid deterrents and defend itself from foreign invasion including the U.S.?

Insurgents always beat organizsed, mechanized militaries. So you don't need an army, you just need an entire male population, armed and ready to become insurgents. Since the Old Testament is a good tribal warfare manual, let's consult it --

From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies Numbers 1:3

Every male, 20 years and up, of sound mind and body, gets an AK47 -- the most successful insurgent weapon ever -- and is trained to use it, and keeps it at home with a stash of ammo. If they wish to buy handguns, Barrett 50 cals, etcs at their own expense, as a supplement to the mandatory AK47, they are free to do so.

Start universal marksmanship at age 10. Teach guerrilla tactics, IEDs, molotov cocktails, etc in High School, instead of wasting time in sports. Sun Tzu is mandatory reading. At 20, enroll them as militiamen, according to the Bible.

For extra security.. Every police station and city hall has a stash of extra rifles and ammo, plus RPGs for vehicles and Stingers for aircraft. All men must be taught how to use these weapons also.

Nobody will attack, nobody will invade.

79 posted on 11/09/2012 8:11:19 PM PST by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: HannibalHamlinJr

When in college in Nebraska 50+ years ago, when asked what was so good about Texas (my home state), I used to reply: “You name it, we’ve got it; if we don’t have it, we don’t want it; if we decide we want it, we’ll buy it.”

At my class’s 50th reunion last spring, a number of classmates from the past approvingly remembered my commentary from a half-century earlier. Texas is a state of mind ... which many people world-wide share.

80 posted on 11/09/2012 8:14:05 PM PST by T Baden (Tenth Amendment Texan)
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