I really think that both sides would be happier if conservatives did have a place to go where we could be left alone and could simply stay out of liberals' attempts at social engineering through big government. Let them create their big govt programs AND pay the bill for them.
The bigger problem is how do you fit 150 million people into Texas?
All those Mexican illegals that Ubama is about to legalize will vote it down.
Don’t ask for permission, just do it!
Texas is big, but not big enough to hold all of us who would move there if it did secede.
Galts Gulch. If Texas managed to pull it off, I'd go there. No questions asked. I would do everything, to the best of my ability, to help make Texas the greatest state in the non-union!
Last time I checked no one has to ask the President for permission to secede.
I think if Texas got the ball rolling, you would see other Red States follow. I looked at the electoral map and imagined what that might look like. Red States would have coastal regions, agriculture, oil and lots of room for growth. The Blues would be screwed as no one in their right mind would stay in NYC or LA, New England would be screwed and would love to see the illegals et al flock to western California, NY etc to get their freebies. Hasta la vista, Baybee
Where do I sign?
Great! They could add Louisiana, Arkansas and Oklahoma to that petition too. That would make a pretty fair place to live as a separate country. But Texas would have to let us Okies eat Bevo. Mmm, charbroiled longhorn.
If Texas is going to secede, they better do it quick, ‘cuz they’ll be a Blue State inside of 10 years.
How would Texas create valid deterrents and defend itself from foreign invasion including the U.S.?
I have been following the Secession talk regarding Texas for years.. My Son, a Producer, is making a documentary film about it as we speak..
Texas has a more interesting option available.. Dividing into as many as 5 separate states.. It’s in the Constitution..
There is little or no chance that Texas would ever attempt to do anything, but is always fun to think about what it would be like living with a new chance at starting over.. :)
I believe Texas was a republic—it was more than a state, but a country if that makes sense, `six flags’ and all that—when it agreed to join the union.
And didn’t Texicans insist on some reservation in their constitution explicitly reserving the right of secession?
I lived in San Antonio for four years as a child, a long time ago, and don’t remember my state history. Sure, they got slapped down once, but that was then and this is now. If Obama continues with his agenda and they broke off ... I’ll leave that thought hanging, along with your own thoughts on federalism. And tyranny.
Why would you want to ask permission? Effing git ir done!
(I’m ready to move)
O M G
And then .. AND THEN .. they want you to create 'an account' (with all relevant data, surely) to sign the damned thing !
< gasping >
(just when ya think this CF can't possibly get any more absurd . . .)
Are we really going down this silly path? The echo Chamber heads for extinction. This is sad.
I am in favor of holding State Constitutional Conventions, splitting the former USA into economic regions, and each region taking with them their proportionate, (based on population), share of the former USA National Debt.
North Dakota to Texas could be one region, the States contiguous to the State Of New York might be another, etc.
BTW, if you drove from the Louisiana-Texas border to Los Angeles, when you got half way there you would still be in TEXAS!
That’s not how to secede! This is how to secede:
AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of North Carolina and the other States united with her, under the compact of government entitled “The Constitution of the United States.”
We, the people of the State of North Carolina in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance adopted by the State of North Carolina in the convention of 1789, whereby the Constitution of the United States was ratified and adopted, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly ratifying and adopting amendments to the said Constitution, are hereby repealed, rescinded, and abrogated.
We do further declare and ordain, That the union now subsisting between the State of North Carolina and the other States, under the title of the United States of America, is hereby dissolved, and that the State of North Carolina is in full possession and exercise of all those rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent State.
Done in convention at the city of Raleigh, this the 20th day of May, in the year of our Lord 1861, and in the eighty-fifth year of the independence of said State.
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
Do note in both cases, nobody asked permission.
Though 90% of my life has been in NJ, MA and ME ... from 3 to 6 I lived there. In my heart - it’s home. Frogs, snakes - rainbow, coral, rattlers, garden and water mocassins, turtles - painted, box and snapping, scorpions, walking sticks, bullfrogs, armadillos, fire ants, icicles and hail but no snow.
Texas is already it’s own country, why not formalize it?
Add Puerto Rico, and Obama would still has 57.