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11/11/2012 | me

Posted on 11/11/2012 8:09:37 PM PST by CountC

It seems to me that we're holding all the cards in this sequestration negotiation. We don't need to protect a President Romney and have nothing to lose, really.

This is the deal I would offer Obama: We'll give you tax increases for $250k and higher. We'll even eliminate the debt ceiling. But, he needs to agree to repeal Obamacare. If he chooses not to accept our offer, tell him he'll have until X date in December, at which point everyone will head home for Christmas and he can explain to the American people why he's putting "economic patriotism" aside for a health plan no one wants.

In addition, the debt ceiling will not be raised until these terms are met so long as we hold the gavel and 41 Senate seats. They'll have to figure out other ways to service the debt. He can accept our offer, or he can deal with the consequences of his decision.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: boehner; cliff; ibtz; sequestration; taxes; vikingkittehs; vikingkittens; wwybywb; zot

1 posted on 11/11/2012 8:09:41 PM PST by CountC
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To: CountC

No way he will ever give up that.


2 posted on 11/11/2012 8:11:46 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: CountC

3 posted on 11/11/2012 8:16:36 PM PST by real saxophonist
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To: CountC
The debt ceiling is the real key. We need to leave it where it is.

That will essentially kill Obamacare as a consequence.

4 posted on 11/11/2012 8:19:30 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: CountC

What you are missing is the media will characterize even the slightest recalcitrance on the part of the Republicans as obstructionism and will thus blame them for driving the economy over the cliff.


5 posted on 11/11/2012 8:21:46 PM PST by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: CountC

Do the majority of Americans even want a repeal of Obamacare? I mean, they had their chance last week.


6 posted on 11/11/2012 8:23:50 PM PST by turn_to
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To: CountC

“We’ll give you tax increases for $250k and higher.”

No, not the income tax. We should have a wealth tax on the Hollywood mansions and Buffett’s holdings. That will be fun to watch.


7 posted on 11/11/2012 8:25:51 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: real saxophonist

Best post of the day!

Too bad there isn’t a FReeper named FrankenB or even BooB. You’d be all over it!! ;)

Still chuckling here...


8 posted on 11/11/2012 8:27:26 PM PST by TXBlair (What the crap is wrong with you, America???)
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To: ari-freedom
We should have a wealth tax on the Hollywood mansions and Buffett’s holdings. That will be fun to watch.

Agreed! Let those "one percenters" put their $$$ where their big yaps are. So many were so vocal in their support for Jobama; let them feel the pinch of the consequences.

9 posted on 11/11/2012 8:33:55 PM PST by TXBlair (What the crap is wrong with you, America???)
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To: TXBlair

Well, to be serious for a moment, I don’t trust anyone who registered two days ago and then has the unmitigated audacidy to post a vanity.


10 posted on 11/11/2012 8:44:32 PM PST by real saxophonist
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To: CountC

1. you have to have brass balls. I’m not sure Boehner has any.

2. you need to be an excellent poker player. again, see boehner.

I forget the rest....


11 posted on 11/11/2012 8:46:46 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: CountC

No deals. No contact. No money, food, water or anything else.

War.


12 posted on 11/11/2012 9:03:59 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: real saxophonist

I hadn’t noticed the join date. Too new to know anything about FR etiquette. Well, at least it’s not a Viking Kitties-caliber noob vanity thread. Could be worse.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 9:06:00 PM PST by TXBlair (What the crap is wrong with you, America???)
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To: TXBlair
Perhaps this type of post should be met with the query “WWYBYWB” right away upon posting.
14 posted on 11/11/2012 9:17:43 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: CountC

Sorry, but the American people have clearly spoken.
They said, ‘mmm... meh’.


15 posted on 11/11/2012 9:51:37 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: CountC
We'll give you tax increases for $250k and higher.

Go away newbie or you will feel the ZOT.

16 posted on 11/11/2012 10:20:04 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: CountC
Tell him the House will go along if he will confiscate all of the wealth (not income, wealth, with no shelters allowed) in Hollywood, Manhattan, and the US Senate.

Cheers!

17 posted on 11/11/2012 10:25:59 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yes, outstanding idea. Give O all he wants but repeal (or replace) Obamacare. Repeal Obamacare, or forget the debt ceiling.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 10:38:00 PM PST by Hokestuk
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To: Olog-hai

I agree


19 posted on 11/11/2012 11:01:29 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: ari-freedom
Yeh, I have been thinking about sending a letter to the editor of my local paper. If we really want to make sure that those millionaires and billionaires pay a little bit more then we need to ignore Obama's plan.

Obama touts The Buffet rule or the expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the anyone making above 200-250 thousand as the method for doing that.

Dirty little secret is that it will not impact Buffet. He keeps his corporate salary at $100 thousand. His director's fees on the tax return I looked at were $75,000. He has a modest house that is no doubt paid for.

Raising the income tax rate will not impact Buffet at all. When Obama started talking about the Buffet rule, It was reported that Buffet said he didn't recommend an increase in income tax.

Well you may be wondering what Buffet had in mind. I listened to an interview he had with Brokaw. He said he is for a consumption tax, but not a sales tax.

What he envisions is an investment type of account that receives your income, and is taxed as withdrawals/checks are made. Ha Ha. Anybody surprised to find out that the CEO of an investment firm thinks everyone should have an investment account, and that tax policy should discourage withdrawing the funds?

Any way back to how we are going to make sure Buffet pays his fair share? I'd go along with a wealth tax, and maybe some sort of tax on those Foundations(tax shelters) these rich people have - The Gates Foundation for example.

20 posted on 11/11/2012 11:07:01 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: CountC

“Here’s hoping that after another 4 years of misery there’s no amount of cheating or media interference that can prevent us from a President Rand Paul.”

(An excerpt from Count C’s only comment at FR.)


21 posted on 11/11/2012 11:17:28 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: CountC
What you're missing (since you asked) is that the election is over and while it may feel good to fantasize about what you would do if you were able to do it, you aren't.
22 posted on 11/12/2012 12:20:48 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"The debt ceiling is the real key. We need to leave it where it is."

Sounds good, until you realize it would cause us to default on our bonds and then the dollar would go down like a 2 dollar hooker. (Fast and sloppy)

23 posted on 11/12/2012 12:23:57 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Sounds good, until you realize it would cause us to default on our bonds and then the dollar would go down like a 2 dollar hooker.

That is, unless the ceiling doesn't need to be raised due to REDUCED SPENDING!!!!!!

That is the solution, and that is what everyone is ignoring, because it involves difficult decisions and actual leadership.

24 posted on 11/12/2012 12:29:02 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: CountC

..... making a deal with a proven pathological liar is akin to a lamb asking a pack of wolves “what’s for dinner”?


25 posted on 11/12/2012 12:52:27 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Teacher317
"The debt ceiling is the real key. We need to leave it where it is."

The problem is that the debt is being monetized. SO that would need to stop immediately. Further you would need to pay off bonds AND cut spending and that spending is mostly in Defense, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid and soon Obamacare.

Now you can cut some personnel in these departments but to stop us going over the debt ceiling your gonna need to cut checks that are issued to people on Social security and to Doctors getting paid by Medicare/Medicaid.

Cutting the amount our military personnel get is a recipe for disaster but there are programs would could cut OR better yet bring them all home.

But I don't know of a single Congress Critter that would go for it except maybe the Rands and then I wonder about them (they talk a good game but I have a suspicion they would cut and run on such an issue.)

26 posted on 11/12/2012 12:53:10 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: CountC

“We’ll give you tax increases for $250k and higher”

Someone please tell me how $250 k is taxing the rich? Taxing the rich starts at at least one million.


27 posted on 11/12/2012 2:02:28 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: Artie

Sorry, but your post on setting a limit on what “rich” is always reminds me of this excerpt from an old thread about a booklet from 1939 about FDR and the New Deal. The same tactics are being used today. The last paragraph is the culmination and most important.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts

In his first inaugural address, March 4, 1933, the President [FDR] said: “Values have shrunk to fantastic levels; taxes have risen; our ability to pay. has fallen;... the withered leaves of industrial enterprise lie on every side....... Yet our distress comes from no failure of substance....Plenty is at our doorstep, but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply. Primarily this is because the rulers of the exchange of mankind’s goods have failed,... Practices of the unscrupulous money-changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men.... They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers.... Yes, the money-changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of that restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.” END FDR QUOTE

....It is not unnatural for people to think envious thoughts about large profits, and envious thoughts are very easy to exploit, as every demagogue knows. But no government before the New Deal had ever deliberately done it....Large profit as such becomes therefore a symbol of social injury, merely because it is large; moreover, it is asserted that large profit had long been so regarded by the government and penalized for that reason.

Of all the counter symbols this was the one most damaging to the capitalistic system. Indeed, if it were accepted, it would be fatal, because capitalism is a profit and loss system and if profits, even very large profits, are socially wrong, there is nothing more to be said for it.


28 posted on 11/12/2012 2:10:56 AM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: CountC
An idea that has real merit. We could even negotiate it as a temporary tax increase in return for a temporary suspension of ObamaCare's implementation.

Think how many more games we could play with this:

  1. One green card for every illegal who meets certain conditions indicating they will contribute to the economy in return for every deportation of one who does not.
  2. Write-off of y% of the student loans in return for privatization of y% of the industry.
  3. Continued subsidies of PBS on conditions that they meet certain goals for fair and balanced reporting.

29 posted on 11/12/2012 4:41:45 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: CountC
Here is what you are missing.

Campaign 2014 started last Wednesday. All Reps & 32+ Senators are running for reelection. For most of them, reelection is THE MOST IMPORTANT OBJECTIVE, not the betterment of the country.

As the country descends into financial chaos, virtually all of these Congressmen believe they ALONE have the solutions to our problems. Losing the next election by taking a principled, patriotic position is out of the question. The politician is far more valuable than anything he produces - or so they believe.

This is why we are where we are financially, & where we will continue to go, even as Europe shows us the folly of our direction.

Honor & sacrifice are dead in political America, signaling the beginning of the end of our Republic, now more aptly called a Crony-Republic.

Our founding fathers assumed honorable, patriotic public servants. The Constitution would have been vastly different if it was written for the equivalent of a prison population or organized crime. Freedom, private property, & prosperity cannot survive in this political climate, regardless of what the Constitution says.

30 posted on 11/12/2012 5:07:35 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: CountC

Lucy always pulls the football away


31 posted on 11/12/2012 6:14:50 AM PST by stylin19a (Obama ->The Jayson Blair administration)
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To: CountC

You are missing a *big* thing: No matter whose fault, the Republicans will be blamed. And they’ll accept it too, which is why they’re called “The Stupid Party.”


32 posted on 11/12/2012 12:17:13 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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