Skip to comments.Tell me what I'm missing (Vanity)
Posted on 11/11/2012 8:09:37 PM PST by CountC
It seems to me that we're holding all the cards in this sequestration negotiation. We don't need to protect a President Romney and have nothing to lose, really.
This is the deal I would offer Obama: We'll give you tax increases for $250k and higher. We'll even eliminate the debt ceiling. But, he needs to agree to repeal Obamacare. If he chooses not to accept our offer, tell him he'll have until X date in December, at which point everyone will head home for Christmas and he can explain to the American people why he's putting "economic patriotism" aside for a health plan no one wants.
In addition, the debt ceiling will not be raised until these terms are met so long as we hold the gavel and 41 Senate seats. They'll have to figure out other ways to service the debt. He can accept our offer, or he can deal with the consequences of his decision.
No way he will ever give up that.
That will essentially kill Obamacare as a consequence.
What you are missing is the media will characterize even the slightest recalcitrance on the part of the Republicans as obstructionism and will thus blame them for driving the economy over the cliff.
Do the majority of Americans even want a repeal of Obamacare? I mean, they had their chance last week.
“We’ll give you tax increases for $250k and higher.”
No, not the income tax. We should have a wealth tax on the Hollywood mansions and Buffett’s holdings. That will be fun to watch.
Best post of the day!
Too bad there isn’t a FReeper named FrankenB or even BooB. You’d be all over it!! ;)
Still chuckling here...
Agreed! Let those "one percenters" put their $$$ where their big yaps are. So many were so vocal in their support for Jobama; let them feel the pinch of the consequences.
Well, to be serious for a moment, I don’t trust anyone who registered two days ago and then has the unmitigated audacidy to post a vanity.
1. you have to have brass balls. I’m not sure Boehner has any.
2. you need to be an excellent poker player. again, see boehner.
I forget the rest....
No deals. No contact. No money, food, water or anything else.
I hadn’t noticed the join date. Too new to know anything about FR etiquette. Well, at least it’s not a Viking Kitties-caliber noob vanity thread. Could be worse.
Sorry, but the American people have clearly spoken.
They said, ‘mmm... meh’.
Go away newbie or you will feel the ZOT.
Yes, outstanding idea. Give O all he wants but repeal (or replace) Obamacare. Repeal Obamacare, or forget the debt ceiling.
Obama touts The Buffet rule or the expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the anyone making above 200-250 thousand as the method for doing that.
Dirty little secret is that it will not impact Buffet. He keeps his corporate salary at $100 thousand. His director's fees on the tax return I looked at were $75,000. He has a modest house that is no doubt paid for.
Raising the income tax rate will not impact Buffet at all. When Obama started talking about the Buffet rule, It was reported that Buffet said he didn't recommend an increase in income tax.
Well you may be wondering what Buffet had in mind. I listened to an interview he had with Brokaw. He said he is for a consumption tax, but not a sales tax.
What he envisions is an investment type of account that receives your income, and is taxed as withdrawals/checks are made. Ha Ha. Anybody surprised to find out that the CEO of an investment firm thinks everyone should have an investment account, and that tax policy should discourage withdrawing the funds?
Any way back to how we are going to make sure Buffet pays his fair share? I'd go along with a wealth tax, and maybe some sort of tax on those Foundations(tax shelters) these rich people have - The Gates Foundation for example.
“Heres hoping that after another 4 years of misery theres no amount of cheating or media interference that can prevent us from a President Rand Paul.”
(An excerpt from Count C’s only comment at FR.)
Sounds good, until you realize it would cause us to default on our bonds and then the dollar would go down like a 2 dollar hooker. (Fast and sloppy)
That is, unless the ceiling doesn't need to be raised due to REDUCED SPENDING!!!!!!
That is the solution, and that is what everyone is ignoring, because it involves difficult decisions and actual leadership.
..... making a deal with a proven pathological liar is akin to a lamb asking a pack of wolves “what’s for dinner”?
The problem is that the debt is being monetized. SO that would need to stop immediately. Further you would need to pay off bonds AND cut spending and that spending is mostly in Defense, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid and soon Obamacare.
Now you can cut some personnel in these departments but to stop us going over the debt ceiling your gonna need to cut checks that are issued to people on Social security and to Doctors getting paid by Medicare/Medicaid.
Cutting the amount our military personnel get is a recipe for disaster but there are programs would could cut OR better yet bring them all home.
But I don't know of a single Congress Critter that would go for it except maybe the Rands and then I wonder about them (they talk a good game but I have a suspicion they would cut and run on such an issue.)
“We’ll give you tax increases for $250k and higher”
Someone please tell me how $250 k is taxing the rich? Taxing the rich starts at at least one million.
Sorry, but your post on setting a limit on what “rich” is always reminds me of this excerpt from an old thread about a booklet from 1939 about FDR and the New Deal. The same tactics are being used today. The last paragraph is the culmination and most important.
In his first inaugural address, March 4, 1933, the President [FDR] said: “Values have shrunk to fantastic levels; taxes have risen; our ability to pay. has fallen;... the withered leaves of industrial enterprise lie on every side....... Yet our distress comes from no failure of substance....Plenty is at our doorstep, but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply. Primarily this is because the rulers of the exchange of mankind’s goods have failed,... Practices of the unscrupulous money-changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men.... They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers.... Yes, the money-changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of that restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.” END FDR QUOTE
....It is not unnatural for people to think envious thoughts about large profits, and envious thoughts are very easy to exploit, as every demagogue knows. But no government before the New Deal had ever deliberately done it....Large profit as such becomes therefore a symbol of social injury, merely because it is large; moreover, it is asserted that large profit had long been so regarded by the government and penalized for that reason.
Of all the counter symbols this was the one most damaging to the capitalistic system. Indeed, if it were accepted, it would be fatal, because capitalism is a profit and loss system and if profits, even very large profits, are socially wrong, there is nothing more to be said for it.
Think how many more games we could play with this:
Campaign 2014 started last Wednesday. All Reps & 32+ Senators are running for reelection. For most of them, reelection is THE MOST IMPORTANT OBJECTIVE, not the betterment of the country.
As the country descends into financial chaos, virtually all of these Congressmen believe they ALONE have the solutions to our problems. Losing the next election by taking a principled, patriotic position is out of the question. The politician is far more valuable than anything he produces - or so they believe.
This is why we are where we are financially, & where we will continue to go, even as Europe shows us the folly of our direction.
Honor & sacrifice are dead in political America, signaling the beginning of the end of our Republic, now more aptly called a Crony-Republic.
Our founding fathers assumed honorable, patriotic public servants. The Constitution would have been vastly different if it was written for the equivalent of a prison population or organized crime. Freedom, private property, & prosperity cannot survive in this political climate, regardless of what the Constitution says.
Lucy always pulls the football away
You are missing a *big* thing: No matter whose fault, the Republicans will be blamed. And they’ll accept it too, which is why they’re called “The Stupid Party.”
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