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Vanity - Who is the next Reagan/Coolidge?

Posted on 11/13/2012 9:34:57 AM PST by Perdogg

Who is going to be the next conservative candidate who has the necessary mix of skill and ideology that we as conservatives, conservatarians, and libertarians can unite behind to win the argument and the country?

If ideology alone were the criteria, I would run, but that is not going to happen. I am not sure Palin or Ryan is the answer. Losing VP candidates have not been successful in being elected president, only FDR in 1932 after losing as a running mate in 1920 was elected president. Remember, Nixon was not a losing VP candidate he was 2-0 running as the running mate.

If Palin wants to be President, she has to be part of the equation and we will have to stop making excuses for her. She is going to have to overcome a general negative impression of her in the population. I don't like it, but it is reality that people do not like her. Remember, it was difficult for Reagan as well, only winning the nomination in 1980 on his third try. If we were nominating a candidate today, odds on Chris Christie would win. Or Jeb Bush. I say we "stay out of the bushes" and off "the Jersey Shore". I myself is behind Tom McClintock, but I am not sure he is interested. Are we going to get behind Rubio? There is a lot unhappiness with him already and I don't want to be dragged through the birther argument again.

Who is the next Reagan or Coolidge? Is it Tom Cotton, or as silly as it sounds, is his name going to be a problem?


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1 posted on 11/13/2012 9:35:01 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

If there’s going to be a great Conservative leader rising up, it’ll have to be someone relatively unknown. I don’t see much potential from the current field of knowns.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 9:39:35 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Perdogg

3 posted on 11/13/2012 9:41:41 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Perdogg

Are we talking about the USA or the ISA (Independent States of America)?


4 posted on 11/13/2012 9:41:41 AM PST by taterjay
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To: Utmost Certainty

So I guess we can rule out 2016 - right?


5 posted on 11/13/2012 9:42:28 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: Perdogg

I still say Duncan hunter


6 posted on 11/13/2012 9:53:46 AM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Red Badger

Ok, enough with the Palin cheerleading team. Sarah is great in her own right, but she’s not the one.

It will be a man. With balls harder than diamonds.


7 posted on 11/13/2012 9:56:14 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: absolootezer0
I still say Duncan hunter

Which one?

8 posted on 11/13/2012 9:57:08 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: absolootezer0
I was a big advocate of Duncan Hunter in the 2008 primaries. I thought he was "more Reagan than Reagan".

I'll tell you who would be a tremendous candidate, though ... if a non-Latino Caucasian is even viable in the future ... and that is Congressman Steven King of Iowa. In addition to being a conservative's conservative, he's expressed an interest in running.

9 posted on 11/13/2012 10:00:22 AM PST by The Duke
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To: fwdude

There isn’t one. Not in THIS GOP............


10 posted on 11/13/2012 10:01:50 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Perdogg

Gary Johnson and Tom Tancredo need to be put to the front of the line.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 10:04:50 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Perdogg

Ain’t gonna be one.

If we are very very lucky and very, very blessed, the question MIGHT be “Who will be the next George Washington.”

More likely, the question will be “Who will be the first Josef Stalin?” There are an awful lot of people running for that office...


12 posted on 11/13/2012 10:08:07 AM PST by Little Ray (I have VOTED AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: fwdude

i was thinking of the elder, but i’d happily take the younger one also.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 10:09:05 AM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: The Duke

how popular is he in IA? that’s a state that a conservative needs to deliver in the primaries, and hopefully take in the general.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 10:11:13 AM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Perdogg

Palin ?? NO!!

Krispy Kreme?? NO!!

a very good question as to who else... Cruz? Rubio? will have to wait and see how it shakes out.

Maybe its just a great leader like Reagan dosent come along very often... sadly.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 10:14:38 AM PST by wyowolf
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To: absolootezer0

A better question might be, Was the future Reagan already aborted?


16 posted on 11/13/2012 10:16:48 AM PST by billhilly
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To: Perdogg

It doesn’t matter who the republicans nominate. The looters will decide who wins. They will vote for the one who promises the most goodies.


17 posted on 11/13/2012 10:19:59 AM PST by gleneagle
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To: Perdogg
Frankly, I do not think at this point in time that elections will make any difference. There is no RR, and as much as I supported Mrs. Palin, she isn't the answer. We are past the point now where any conservative, that is a real conservative has a snowball's chance in hell.

The left got the educational system and the media. I see no way that conservatism will reemerge given the current situation. We can talk a good game, but take a look at what passes for a conservative these days. Do you honestly think that a politician is going to make a difference? If so, please change my mind on that subject.

Regards,
AR

18 posted on 11/13/2012 10:20:49 AM PST by alarm rider (I took the pledge, I will never vote for another RINO, not now, not ever.)
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To: Perdogg

There might not be another Republican president, but I’ll go along with those who think the next serious contender will have to be Hispanic. After the coming amnesty, open borders and open polls, that will go double.


19 posted on 11/13/2012 10:23:39 AM PST by pallis
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To: Perdogg

I think the minimum requirement for a Presidential candidate should be that he or she have been elected governor of a purple state, a record of success in said position, reelection to said position, and continued popularity in said state such that it will be solidly in his column in any general election contest. Preferably said state would be a populous one. I’m not sure if there is anyone who fits that bill right now, but there is a pretty good crop of good candidates facing reelection between now and 2016, who would fit if they prevail: Scott Walker, Rick Scott, Susanna Martinez, Mitch Daniels, Terry Branstad, Rick Snyder, Brian Sandoval, John Kasich, Tom Corbett, and Bob McDonnell. With exception of McDonnell and Daniels, they’re all up for reelection in 2014.

Interestingly, Daniels is the only one of the group to get elected in a Presidential year, but then Indiana is probably the reddest state of the bunch. My 2016 primary line up would begin with those from the above list who have a record of budgetary discipline and economic growth, and who survive their reelections in 2014.

The only other political biography that I think we should consider is someone who has run a major federal agency, including the military, especially in the foreign policy arena. Condoleeza Rice and Dick Cheney are the only names that come to mind there, but the Bush taint may still be too strong. I’d actually be open to a Condoleeza Rice run if I get a better handle on her general philosophy. If she will at least say that abortion is best decided by the states, then I could give her a pass on that question.

Exit: given the demographic shifts that are absolutely killing all chances for the GOP and/or conservatism, something like a Martinez-Rice ticket may be just the things to really shake things up a bit.


20 posted on 11/13/2012 10:28:44 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Perdogg

We have 30 Republican governors, right? Probably look there first. How about Sam Brownback for president (doesn’t he have good conservative creds?) & Susana Martinez for VP?


21 posted on 11/13/2012 10:30:40 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: absolootezer0

Ditto on the elder. But I seriously doubt that an older white guy can ever win again with this electorate.


22 posted on 11/13/2012 10:30:43 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Perdogg

Romney lost because the conservative virtues - the traditional American virtues - of liberty, hard work, free enterprise, private initiative and aspirations to moral greatness - no longer inspire or animate a majority of the electorate. The notion of the “Reagan Democrat” is one cliché that should be permanently retired.

Ronald Reagan himself could not win an election in today’s America.


23 posted on 11/13/2012 10:35:07 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Perdogg

No, I don’t think 2016 is out of the question. And I actually don’t believe that we have an electorate terminally lost to welfare addiction. A vast majority of individuals in this country still desire having an actual future with opportunity and a life worth looking forward to, rather than being relegated to ennui slumming by indefinitely on the dole.

I think there’s significant untapped desire out there for someone who can actually come out and campaign on actual vision & ideas for once, rather than the usual policy peddling to the status quo typical candidates cater to.

There’s going to have a lot of serious consideration about how the Conservative message can retooled and communicated politically in this era, in order to appeal to as many disparate elements of the Conservative-leaning populace as possible—it’ll have to be a theme inclusive to SoCons, Libertarians, etc. No more internecine bickering over the who the “True Conservatives” are and what not.


24 posted on 11/13/2012 10:53:59 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Perdogg

No, I don’t think 2016 is out of the question. And I actually don’t believe that we have an electorate terminally lost to welfare addiction. A vast majority of individuals in this country still desire having an actual future with opportunity and a life worth looking forward to, rather than being relegated to ennui slumming by indefinitely on the dole.

I think there’s significant untapped desire out there for someone who can actually come out and campaign on actual vision & ideas for once, rather than the usual policy peddling to the status quo typical candidates cater to.

There’s going to have a lot of serious consideration about how the Conservative message can retooled and communicated politically in this era, in order to appeal to as many disparate elements of the Conservative-leaning populace as possible—it’ll have to be a theme inclusive to SoCons, Libertarians, etc. No more internecine bickering over who the “True Conservatives” are and what not.


25 posted on 11/13/2012 10:55:31 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Perdogg

Does not matter, as the Libs and their allies in the MSM are prepared to target and destroy them as soon as they reach the level of County Commissioner.


26 posted on 11/13/2012 11:01:06 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Perdogg

There is and will be only one such person, and that is Sarah Palin.

She is the only one who exhibits the fortitude, courage and love of America that Reagan did.

A few more years of Obama, and people will be begging for her to run.

If we have to, we’ll start a new party to run her.


27 posted on 11/13/2012 11:06:23 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Perdogg

bmk


28 posted on 11/13/2012 11:39:57 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: exit82
If we have to, we’ll start a new party to run her.

The divorce of the Tea Party from the GOP is surely coming. Sooner rather than later. Likewise I suspect we may see a Socialist Labor party form when Obama does not turn out to be Socialist enough for many of his supporters.


29 posted on 11/13/2012 11:50:06 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Perdogg
The first names that come to my mind are Marco Rubio (FL), John Kasich (OH), and Bob McDonnell (VA). All have won statewide races in states carried by Obama. Scott Walker (WI) would also fill that bill.

And you point out something I have said ever since McCain-Palin lost in 2008: In the entire history of this country, ever since tickets, losing VP candidates never have gone on to win the presidency, with the lone exception of Franklin Roosevelt (1920, 1932). I don't see Palin as the answer. She won one statewide race, in Alaska, and then resigned before her term was over. She has not run for anything since. And she would have to overcome her high negatives, which she has not been able to do.

Likewise, but to a lesser extent, with the currrent losing VP candidate, Paul Ryan, although I think he has a brighter future than Palin. I'd like to see Ryan as Speaker of the House first, then maybe in 2020 or 2024--he'd still be young enough then--he can try.

No on Christie. Just. No.

No Bushes.

I don't see 2016 being Santorum or Perry or Huckabee or one of those guys. Somebody who hasn't run yet--Rubio, Kasich, McDonnell, Walker, maybe Jindal--that's where I'd look.

30 posted on 11/13/2012 12:05:45 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Conservative Republican who wants to win)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

BTBW,

I like your list of possible candidates... I agree that all of them could be strong contenders for this “next Reagan/next Coolidge” role. The one whom I think might fit best is Mitch Daniels. I know conservatives bash him for wanting to separate the social issues and focus on the economic issues, but I think Mitch is the reincarnation of Calvin Coolidge and a good possible Reagan-like principled guy.

With that in mind, since he is now out of office, I’d love to see Mitch do something similar to what Reagan did during his time-off from politics in the years before the 1980 election: go everywhere and “pitch” conservative principles and the conservative vision. Look to get a gig on conservative talk radio doing a “four minute conservative thoughts for the day”. Reagan did that for years — he was like a one-man think-tank, writing the scripts himself. This exercise (along with his GE days of making pitches on the rubber-chicken circuit around the country) got Reagan’s philosophy memorized and ingrained in his soul.

We need that kind of ingrained thinker (and speaker, and debater) articulating our message. Hone those talking points into 4 minute essays. People will hunger for that kind of thinking and that kind of clarity.

JMHO.


31 posted on 11/13/2012 12:21:52 PM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Perdogg
We need to ditch the “conservative” label and be recognized as progressive and liberal.

Not “progressive” or “liberal” as journalists intend the words, of course - but actually progressive (in the sense of believing in and promoting progress of, by, and for the American people. And actually liberal in support of liberty of the individual.

Those are the values of the Constitution. Who do you know who has elective executive experience and is ready, willing, and able to articulate those values? Besides Sarah Palin, I mean . . .
And Palin, advocate her as I did, has in all reasonable likelihood passed on her main chance. Her opportunity was to jump in before all the other conservatives got into the 2012 race, and try to suck the oxygen out of the air so that she only had Romney to face in the primaries. She is her own person, and she made her decision - but it seems to me to be an irreversible one.

32 posted on 11/13/2012 1:32:52 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: absolootezer0
how popular is he in IA? that’s a state that a conservative needs to deliver in the primaries, and hopefully take in the general.

He just got re-elected, so he must be pretty popular. Also, coincidentally, he's being interviewed on Hannity's show tonight, so I highly recommend that show as a way to get to know him a bit better.

33 posted on 11/13/2012 4:37:01 PM PST by The Duke
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To: Perdogg

We’ll learn to love Jeb just as we learned to love Dole, McCain, and Romney. :)


34 posted on 11/13/2012 4:43:42 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Tell me, who do you want, not just who you don’t want?


35 posted on 11/13/2012 6:14:37 PM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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