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Why We Lost- We Played By THEIR Rules (Vanity)
November 13, 2012

Posted on 11/13/2012 6:05:53 PM PST by Steelfish

As we enter the first week since we were shellshocked by the election results of last Tuesday and as 360 degree post-mortem analyses continue to abound, we must take away one major lesson from this epic disaster. We played by "their" rules and we lost.

When Bush won, it was because while he played by "their" rules, third-party backers appealed to value voters and of course we all know of the pivotal role played by the Swift-boaters that sunk the Kerry candidacy.

We ask why did we not run ads showing Obama's embrace of gay marriage and how under the Full Faith and Credit Clause will extend this to the red states? Why didn't we show how the gay culture has infected local school curriculum in places like California and Washington? The connection between gays and AIDS? Why were no questions raised about how a future Supreme Court was one vote away from constitutionalizing gay marriage and with that other polyamorous relationship and possibly incest? Why were no ads run by our side on how God was repeatedly booed at the DNC Convention? Why didn't we run ads on how Obama is requiring people of faith especially Christians and particularly Catholics to choose between their God and his agenda? And finally why were no ads run about the issue of illegals and unlimited immigration that has added to the costs of crime, schooling, and public benefits?

In a word, our side was snakebit. In the past conservative were hammered for raising what "they" called divisive and hate-filled wedge issues. We were stung by the liberal snakes and we kept clear of the snake pit.

In truth these are not wedge issues. They go to the very heart of who we are as an expression of a common culture and Judeo-Christian ethic. If demographics is destiny, culture is the engine that takes us there. And yet we refused to ride this vehicle because the road we were warned is fraught with liberal IEDs.

While one can understand why Romney did not want to go there since he would have been tarred and feathered by the liberal media, there was absolutely no reason why independent groups in the post-Citizens United era shied away. Instead we had Rove and Company throwing away $300 million playing from the same hymnal as Romney, telling voters that it was an economic theme and nothing else mattered.

Democrats will label Romney as a murderer and a felon and everything else on earth and under the earth but as soon as conservatives address value and cultural issues, the MSM descend upon us like a tsunami trying to bury us with labels like "playing dirty" and branding us as being "divisive" of the country and engaging in wedge issues. And not infrequently, they have the support of leading RINOS to further this meme.

Limbaugh has asked how do you defeat Santa Claus? By portraying him as coming to prey on your children, swamping your local schools with gay-filled garbage, and taking away your Bibles.

Unless and until Republicans and conservative stiffen up their spine and are willing to engage in this cultural war, we will continue to lose.


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To: Steelfish
Conservatives, the Tea Party, and Palin, were shut out by the GOPe, that being National Chairman Priebus and Romney/Sununu. Conservatives have Christian principles and that is not now allowed in the “official” Republican Party.

I doubt another Republican will be president as long as they remain liberal. FR will have to endorse another Republican liberal in 2016. Can you say, President Hillary Clinton? That is how the GOPe will get the FR vote - would you rather have Clinton or our liberal Republican? So, FR will take the liberal again. I think it will be Jeb Bush. I don't see any hope for conservatives in the future.

21 posted on 11/13/2012 6:59:15 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Romney also ran his entire primary in urban areas that weren’t going to vote for him in the general while passing over those he would need in the general.


22 posted on 11/13/2012 7:00:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Steelfish
I think your points are valid. I also think we have reaped the whirlwind of Alisky tactic for 30-40 years, even before most of us even heard of Alisky. Breitbart saw it before many. I think conservatives, contrary to their very nature, must engage with over-the-top militancy. Most conservatives are Christian, and as such, recoil at the notion of 'getting in their face'. But they understand it. Think...."We're here, we're queer, we're in your face!" Or any other militant chant or even the baseless assertions of Matthews. They are in our face. That is intimidating to most civil discourse. You're a racist! Repeated by the thousands of times each day. They have honned it to an artform. Somehow, we have to scream louder than they.

But we will not do it. It is not our nature. Reason will not carry the day. Yet we still try to reason with those who are, by their nature, unreasonable. The future looks dim for conservatism prevailing. The government plantation is where they work....and their work is simply voting democrat.

23 posted on 11/13/2012 7:04:02 PM PST by Texas Songwriter ( i)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Romney staked out a position guaranteed to tick off social conservatives and depress turn-out on our side.
THat position included the following:
1. Support for Gays in the Military.
2. Support for Gay Adoption
3. Support for Gays in the Boy Scouts
4. Support for Abortion in the cases of Incest, Rape, life, and HEALTH of the mother”

And we actual conservatives, toward the middle and end, were stomped on by Freepers for mentioning any of that. What we got was, “Obama thanks you for your vote”. “Anyone who doesn’t vote for Romney is un-American and a traitor.”

I expect the same thing next time - the GOPe will push a liberal Republican so the Party won’t offend anyone. Bovine Scatology.


24 posted on 11/13/2012 7:09:12 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Steelfish

I fear that we lost because so many in our country have lost sight of the true God of the Bible. We embrace gays, we prop up muslims, we encourage drug use. It seems to me that “we” have gotten the president “we” deserve. It’s just unfortunate that so many of US have to pay the price as well.


25 posted on 11/13/2012 7:13:50 PM PST by tyrion
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To: stickywillie





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We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....

We are FReepers. We must fight!

Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!

Join us!! See the 'BARACK OBAMA FRAUD 2012- (MUST READ- MUST GO VIRAL!)' thread- Here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2957976/posts


26 posted on 11/13/2012 7:16:12 PM PST by patriot08 (Native Texas girl)
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To: Marcella
And we actual conservatives, toward the middle and end, were stomped on by Freepers for mentioning any of that. What we got was, “Obama thanks you for your vote”. “Anyone who doesn’t vote for Romney is un-American and a traitor.”

I expect the same thing next time - the GOPe will push a liberal Republican so the Party won’t offend anyone. Bovine Scatology.


That is true Marcella, however, with an assist and analogy from the Bible, we must, with patience, run the race that is before us.

We must persevere in attempting to convince those we can of the correctness of our cause, overcoming, as much as is possible, the bile, the accusations, with a reasoned and factual support of our argument against compromise.
27 posted on 11/13/2012 7:23:52 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: patriot08
bttt

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....

We are FReepers. We must fight!

Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!

28 posted on 11/13/2012 7:29:50 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: SoConPubbie

I agree. Romney was compromised as the RINO candidate he is. But once he was our nominee, it was left to third parties like American Crossroads to go on the attack and sadly, unlike the Swiftboaters before them, they abdicated this attack dog role and did not go for the ankle bites that would have crippled the Obama machine.


29 posted on 11/13/2012 7:32:15 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
Watch this and weep.

How Obama Became President

30 posted on 11/13/2012 7:34:53 PM PST by BigFinn (BigHat wisdom: Always drink upstream from the herd.)
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To: Steelfish
We ask why did we not run ads showing Obama's embrace of gay marriage and how under the Full Faith and Credit Clause will extend this to the red states? Why didn't we show how the gay culture has infected local school curriculum in places like California and Washington?... Why didn't we run ads on how Obama is requiring people of faith especially Christians and particularly Catholics to choose between their God and his agenda? .... While one can understand why Romney did not want to go there since he would have been tarred and feathered by the liberal media ....

A lot of us understand perfectly why Romney didn't want to go there -- those of us familiar with his record, anyway. For crying out loud, Catholic church charity adoption agencies in Massachusetts closed their doors because of law Romney created that would have forced them to accommodate gay "married" couples as "parents." Sure, you can find how later he tried to pawn it off as "nothing I could do, I tried to stop it ..." but any informed Republican is aware of the vast extent of Romney's pro-Gay agenda.

Between blatant vote fraud and a Republican candidate who was himself a fraud in terms of conservatism ... the Republicans lost.

Most Americans reject liberalism because most Americans are good, moral people. It is why Democrats have to cheat: they are outnumbered. But the trick up their sleeve is the MSM, which shapes perception such that "progressives" are the many hip and conservatives are the few squares. But read comments on the you tubes, the yahoo threads, the comments sections on links to LA Times articles. Granted, you see a lot of entitlement liberal idiots, but you see a lot of pretty level-headed folks who understand what a load of crap big government liberalism actually IS, and it's starting to dawn on some of them that elections have gotten downright stinky in America lately.

"Grown-up" Republicans who think in terms of pragmatism and Santa Claus are condescending boobs who also think the majority of Americans are "children." They belong in Europe if they're going to badmouth my country that way.

These "grown-up" Republicans vote for the likes of Romney, ridicule "birthers" and "vote fraud conspiracy theorists," and like the good beta dogs they are, live in a world where going alpha is just too scary.

Thus the alpha politicians create a Banana Republic because so damned many so-called American conservative patriots have neither the vision nor the confidence in their principles to GO ALPHA.

31 posted on 11/13/2012 7:40:17 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Steelfish

32 posted on 11/13/2012 7:47:12 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Steelfish

next time, conservatives need to unite behind one candidate *before* the GOPe primaries start, that is, if there is still a GOP around by then. a conservative party would be “optimal.”


33 posted on 11/13/2012 7:51:33 PM PST by dadfly
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To: SoConPubbie; Steelfish; VinL; ex-snook; sport; ejonesie22; PieterCasparzen; Colonel_Flagg

Folks, we need to think BEYOND the box we continue to confine ourselves into.

Forget working to somehow win votes for an upcoming election.

That time is past.

We saw our last somewhat ‘honest’ and free national elections back in 2008. Cook County is national now - Marxists control the machine...and there is no way in hell the ballot box is going to be a viable option to change our rulers.

We can go ahead and pretend otherwise if we want to delude ourselves.

We’ve been taken over in a velvet coup. No Marxist regime ever gives up their power unless forced to. Period. History speaks.

The Ruling Class GOP knows where the power is going to now lie - and they will do everything to share in it.

Given what they did Tuesday during the RNC - it should be clear by now that Conservatism has been forever rendered irrelevant in national politics within the GOP. The Ruling Class Establishment blame Conservatives for the “loss” and are full steam ahead with adopting the Democrat agenda for itself.

We have no hope in the national party - or in what used to be. We are a POST-CONSTITUTIONAL SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY. Not even a Republic any longer. That is the defacto-reality. We are Ameritopia - just as Levin warned in his book. And if history is a teacher - then a hard tyranny is a-commin’ if not already at the door.

Know the ground we find ourselves on. For that is what we have to fight on - and the rulers would attempt to disarm us and make us struggle according to THEIR rules.

You cannot win a war by playing by the enemy’s rules or adopting their agenda to get along to win hears and minds with principles NOT of God or our foundations.


34 posted on 11/13/2012 7:54:17 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Finny

You are correct about Romney. But it is the role of third parties to launch the unremitting assault on how Obama is radically changing the culture and forcing good and moral Americans from union households to minorities including blacks to accept an agenda that undercuts their family values and religious heritage. The MSM calls this “divisive” issues and cultivates a climate that pre-empts this attack. RINOs are the first to flee and unless third party groups pick up this baton, the race is lost. This is the singular reason for the stunning loss last Tuesday. To be sure there are others, and fraud is one of them but nothing is so decisive to explaining the extent of our electoral losses than the failure to bring up front and center the family values agenda.

We should boldly have framed the issue between God (with non stop videos of DNC delegates booing God) and descent into Sodom and Gomorrah. But being snakebit, our side refused to go there and we played right into a game played by “their” rules.


35 posted on 11/13/2012 7:54:17 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
Why didn't we show how the gay culture has infected local school curriculum in places like California and Washington?

I live in Washington State and hate the fact 74 passed -- posted about it many times -- but am not aware of "gay culture has infected local school curriculum" in this state. It may well happen in the future, but can you give a current example?

36 posted on 11/13/2012 8:00:40 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: steve86

I was under the impression, that like in CA, public high schools now use history books extolling the contributions of gays to civil society.


37 posted on 11/13/2012 8:39:03 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: INVAR

Exactly right. I think a lot of people aren’t really seeing the implications here. This is not just another election loss. This is the Chicago machine getting itself established at the national level. When you add in a few million illegal aliens cum citizens, tens more millions becoming dependent on government assistance via Obamacare and a moribund economy, and the demographic trends already in place, it’s obvious that by 2016, there will be an army of drones who will march to the polls at every election to return the regime to power. I’m not sure where it ends. According to de Toqueville, it ends in fiscal collapse and then dictatorship. After that I suppose the possibility of restoring the Republic becomes a reality. That may be decades from now, however.


38 posted on 11/13/2012 8:52:46 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Steelfish

No, it’s because we failed to play the game thee way they play it.

To Republicans and most conservatives, politics is like sports. To liberals, it’s all-out war. We have to learn to play it that way.


39 posted on 11/13/2012 8:57:48 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: SoConPubbie

The task will not be easy because the landscape has changed.

Romney won male voters 52 to 45 percent, but he lost women 55 to 44 percent. While Romney prevailed among married women by 53 to 46 percent, Obama’s margin among single women was a crushing 68 to 30 percent.

Adding to the gloom for Republicans, fewer than half of American households now feature a married couple. This insures greater dependency on government. The economic argument alone (and all the economic arguments from unemployment rates to good track/wrong track numbers, deficits, national debt, prior business experience, went against Obama) is simply not going to cut it.

We must not allow the left and the MSM to dictate to us on how the game is played. We need clusters of Swift-boat types willing to play in the trenches if we ever are going to win again. We can shout out aloud all we can about fraud etc, but we’ll lose if the rules are “their” rules that dictate on how this game is played.


40 posted on 11/13/2012 9:03:15 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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