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[Vanity] Should I renew my C&R FFL?
My Mind's Eye | 14 November 2012 | Ron Arestia

Posted on 11/14/2012 5:39:30 AM PST by rarestia

So I received my renewal notice for my C&R FFL (03) yesterday, as it's due to expire in February. I've been religious with my renewals for years, but this year just feels different. I saw that BATFE seal on the envelope and my heart sank a little knowing that they're under this Marxist administration.

My question to FReepers and firearm aficionados is this: should I renew? My feelings are that at some point in the future, firearms are going to be restricted either by international treaty (i.e. UN ATT) or by executive fiat, and I wonder if it would be worth the hassle and the intimidation likely by the BATFE on FFL holders, including those of us who like our Mosins and Mausers.

I've not purchased anything with it in several years nor have I done any restorations or refurbs since 2006. Aside from the "just to have it" aspect, does it make sense for me to keep renewing knowing that it could be used as a registry of doors on which to knock or am I already part of the machine having had one for the last 15 years anyway.

Thoughts?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: banglist; batfe; namesonthelist; permanentrecord; seeyouatthecamp; vanity

1 posted on 11/14/2012 5:39:35 AM PST by rarestia
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To: rarestia

Don’t have a recommendation for you, but remember you have to send them your acquisitions and dispositions records book if you let your license lapse, so you will show up on a list anyway.


2 posted on 11/14/2012 5:45:06 AM PST by Truth29
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To: rarestia

I would do renew it if I were you - mine is set to expire in July .... this regime will pass, and this is still the law of the land as it applies to us peons ...


3 posted on 11/14/2012 5:45:31 AM PST by Ken522
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To: Ken522

Sorry - what I meant to write is, “I would renew it if I were you.”


4 posted on 11/14/2012 5:46:36 AM PST by Ken522
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To: Ken522

renew and then go to home depot for some PVC pipe and end caps to store your property in the ground should that become necessary...


5 posted on 11/14/2012 5:48:46 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Truth29

I’m not too worried about my records, but you bring up a good point. The practical, radical side of me says, “Come and take them.” Between this, my NRA Endowment Membership, and several state concealed carry permits, I have to imagine I’m already high on an extermination list.


6 posted on 11/14/2012 5:50:09 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
I've not purchased anything with it in several years nor have I done any restorations or refurbs since 2006. Aside from the "just to have it" aspect, does it make sense for me to keep renewing knowing that it could be used as a registry of doors on which to knock or am I already part of the machine having had one for the last 15 years anyway.

I think you are already past being counted on a list of people to visit, if it ever comes to that.

I would say you renewing it does not expose you anymore.

7 posted on 11/14/2012 5:50:55 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Vaquero

What property? All of my guns went overboard in a tragic boating accident in the Gulf.


8 posted on 11/14/2012 5:51:03 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: thackney
as a registry of doors on which to knock

When they come they won't be knocking on any doors....
9 posted on 11/14/2012 5:53:18 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: rarestia

Renew or not, you’re already on record as a danger to the regime, with an asterisk.

*FR participant


10 posted on 11/14/2012 5:55:12 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Vaquero

The saying is; When it’s time to bury ‘em, it’ll be time to dig ‘em up.


11 posted on 11/14/2012 5:55:50 AM PST by Quickgun (I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: rarestia

You guys are “our” canary in the mine.

“They” will come after you first, and that will be “our” cue to take the appropriate action.


12 posted on 11/14/2012 5:55:59 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: rarestia

I’ve kept mine renewed just because you never know when some goody pops up for sale. I’m already on multiple lists so I’m not worried about keeping me on another.


13 posted on 11/14/2012 5:56:03 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: rarestia

Big Sis already has your number anyway. You might as well keep it.


14 posted on 11/14/2012 6:02:22 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: rarestia
What property? All of my guns went overboard in a tragic boating accident in the Gulf.

well mine were washed out to sea during hurricane Sandy...”damn you gore-bull warming” (shakes fist)

15 posted on 11/14/2012 6:09:49 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: rarestia
While renewing might not trip a flag (just SOP), NOT renewing might.

This administration will pass.

16 posted on 11/14/2012 6:17:13 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Truth29; rarestia

C&R does not have to send it to them. There isn’t even a rule for him to have to keep it after his license expires.


17 posted on 11/14/2012 6:34:30 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: Truth29
Don’t have a recommendation for you, but remember you have to send them your acquisitions and dispositions records book if you let your license lapse, so you will show up on a list anyway.

That's not true for a C&R.

I'd renew. It's cheap and the BATFE knows about you anyway.

18 posted on 11/14/2012 6:37:53 AM PST by Fido969
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To: Vaquero
well mine were washed out to sea during hurricane Sandy...”damn you gore-bull warming” (shakes fist)

A band of marauding Amish got mine. I just hate it, when that happens!

19 posted on 11/14/2012 6:41:47 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Truth29

Non-C&R FFLs must send the bound book when they cease licensure, but 03s do not. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html#surrender-bound-book


20 posted on 11/14/2012 6:44:55 AM PST by earlyapex (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: rarestia
good heavens what a tragedy

I lost mine in the asbestos factory fire.....and what i didnt lose there, were lost in that terrible spill my jeep took down that embankment into that vat of wet cement

i am really quite unlucky

21 posted on 11/14/2012 6:50:37 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: cpdiii

they come at you with those buggys all Anabaptist like, taking guns and names like regular city rats


22 posted on 11/14/2012 6:54:24 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: thackney

If you have to wonder whether you are already on “the list,” then you are.


23 posted on 11/14/2012 7:04:33 AM PST by GnL
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To: rarestia

Repetitive, expected acts can keep a person under the radar.


24 posted on 11/14/2012 7:18:58 AM PST by Pecos (Double tap: the only acceptable gun control)
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To: rarestia

They already have your name you are doomed.


25 posted on 11/14/2012 7:37:08 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Ratman82 wrote:
"They already have your name you are doomed."

Got news for ya: They already have ALL our names.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

26 posted on 11/14/2012 7:52:22 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Ratman83; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Ratman82 wrote:
"They already have your name you are doomed."

Got news for ya: They already have ALL our names.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

27 posted on 11/14/2012 7:53:27 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Joe Brower

So true.


28 posted on 11/14/2012 7:54:41 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: rarestia

I renewed my C&R. I’ll eagerly show BATFE my collection of dusty old revolvers, and joyfully express my interest in them, and them only. They are not, IMHO, the type of firearms that will draw the most interest.

Now, those of you with Class III weapons might get a different knock on the door.


29 posted on 11/14/2012 8:12:19 AM PST by green iguana
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To: rarestia
What property? All of my guns went overboard in a tragic boating accident in the Gulf.

That's why they will first pass a law stating that all private sales must be done through an FFL dealer, or you are a felon. Then a law that lost or stolen guns must be reported to the BATF within a few days, or you are a felon. Then when they ban them, they send a letter listing your guns and demanding you turn them over or face prosecution. 98% will comply, leaving the remaining few easy targets.

30 posted on 11/14/2012 8:13:53 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: rarestia

Don’t take my word for it because I’m from NYC and wouldn’t know the implications, but don’t renew it. You’re already on a few government lists; renewing it won’t add you to another one, because odds are you’re already on a list specifically for that.


31 posted on 11/14/2012 8:44:17 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: rarestia

You were “on the list” the minute you got the FFL. Too late to escape notice now. Might as well step up and embrace your legal right to renew.


32 posted on 11/14/2012 8:52:02 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Joe Brower
Good evening.

They already have ALL our names.

Yes, which makes OPSEC critical in not getting ambushed.

5.56mm

33 posted on 11/14/2012 2:31:18 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: earlyapex
Thanks, I thought that C & R holders had to turn in their bound book when they lapsed their license. I either learned wrong or somewhere over the years, the rules changed.
34 posted on 11/14/2012 3:05:41 PM PST by Truth29
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To: G Larry

100 heads.


35 posted on 11/14/2012 3:10:23 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Joe Brower
They already have ALL our names.

Yep. And it doesn't matter, really. King George had the names of the guys who signed the Declaration - they made sure of it. I think it works like that. Having your name and doing something about it are two different things.

36 posted on 11/14/2012 6:45:55 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

true enough, and when those large and in charge do decide to “do something about it”, you will find out at 2 in the morning.


37 posted on 11/15/2012 4:06:33 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Joe Brower
Got news for ya: They already have ALL our names.

Damn skippy on that. Those of us who've been around here for a long time will remember the rampant speculation that FR had a complete shift dedicated to our surveilance over at No Such Agency. There was also speculation that some freepers from that period were really NSA agents surfing along and acting as both informants and disruptors. I wouldn't be surprised if that were still the case only amplified.

38 posted on 11/15/2012 10:02:13 AM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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