Skip to comments.We can't secede, we are Americans
Posted on 11/14/2012 4:25:19 PM PST by West Texas Chuck
Even, or maybe especially, here in Texas.
If it made any sense at all I would follow what my bumper sticker says. But we cannot separate from The Union. Our country is at risk and I say we have to stay and fight.
I will not dishonor his words. We will stay and fight, just like at that little chapel down yonder in Bexar County.
Allow me to quote from "Animal House" when I say, "it ain't over until we say it is."
Another four years is gonna suck bigtime, but I got nowhere else to go. We stay and defend this beautiful country because of the honorable patriots before us.
If you didn't vote this past November 6 because you don't love Romney, then that is too bad for you. I was there, my wife was there, and my old momma was there too. Let us all commit to defend Old Glory the way any true Texan will naturally do for The Lone Star.
Just my $.02 worth of vanity. Over and out.
A house divided against itself will not stand.
“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth...”
America has no value in-and-of herself. She has value only insofar as she continues to exist for the rights of her citizens. She has failed to do that, and the voting and demographic trends suggest that she will never be able to do that again. She has been dying since at least the 1930s. If She has a future, it is as some sort of unrecognizeable Frankenation with the economic and fiscal failures of Greece combined with the social chaos of Liberia or Ciudad Juarez.
Such an existance would be an insult to her memory. It’s time to let the lady pass on gracefully, and start over with something new.
Judge Andrew Napolitano: Revolution is Duty of the People
Depends on you definition of fight.
Posting is not fighting, its sublimation.
Abe Lincoln’s party, the Republicans, replaced the Whigs.
Time for a new party? Prolly.
I’ve nowhere to run, and nowhere to hide. I’m here until TSA kicks in my front door. Or the turtles over there at the mountain bike trail eat me because I missed a turn and ended up in the creek.
That’s what the Torries said in 1776. They were wrong.
Who’s to say a secession couldn’t occur where an ‘ORIGINAL America’ disavows the ‘CHANGED America’ lost to the ineligible President?
I didn’t leave the US. The US left me. I’m tired of paying every lazy ass’ bills and being called a racist for demanding they stop confiscating my income for that, and other equally ridiculous wastes of money.
I support an economic form of secession.
States effectively going Galt. I’m still thinking one how it would work but basically I’m thinking that states could cut out the fed interference and sending only their fair share to federal government for strictly constitutional expenditures.
Democrats win by massive vote fraud every election, at every level. We can’t keep winning seats like that. At that, all we are winning are seats, not real power. Look at Boehner. He caved so fast I’m surprised a sink hole didn’t develop at his seat in the chamber.
Yeah, but I ain’t signing on to run away.
How about you?
Yeah crip, you are totally righton there.
But we win against the Repubicans, as you well know. I don’t know what to do but stand and present.
Sorry for the vanity, this crap has been eating at me since last week. I had to say something.
Right or wrong, you FReepers have heard my opinion.
Obama has underestimated the anger. 100,000 and counting expressing it.
WE cant secede. WE are ALL AMERICANS.
Too much collectivism for my mind to grasp. I am an individual not part of a collective. I guess that is what makes me truly American.
The Declaration makes a simple argument:
1. Humans have rights from the Creator
2. Governments exist to secure those rights (a debatable assertion but we’ll roll with it.)
3. When the government fails to secure those rights, we can ditch it and start our own government.
That’s pretty much all it says. If you thought that was true in 1776, when tax rates were 1% and there was no such thing as a the EPA or the FBI or the IRS, why is it not true now? Because we’re so much more free now? And, no, the Declaration did not say that the government is free to violate rights as long as people get to vote on it.
The Declaration establishes that there’s no such thing as treason, and a free government requires the assumption of just secession.
Thus the whole Revolution [of 17751783] turned upon, asserted, and, in theory, established, the right of each and every man, at his discretion, to release himself from the support of the government under which he had lived. And this principle was asserted, not as a right peculiar to themselves, or to that time, or as applicable only to the government then existing; but as a universal right of all men, at all times, and under all circumstances.
There needs to be a new party, but right now anything new is by its nature—weak. We cannot be Republicans, as they tend to lack courage and only play at winning. That party is where we have hitched our wagon because we sure as Hades do not want to be Democrats.
We cannot even agree on what a “conservative” is to MAKE a party. Cohesiveness amongst ourselves would be a start. We’re too busy blaming each other to see the TRUE enemy. Not necessarily Obama, he is the result maybe, but he to quote: “did not get there on his own.”
Thanks for 2c of rationalism that is much needed.
Of course, I don’t really put much credence in people putting their faith in and thinking an internet petition means anything.
Do you view it as fleeing a country or creating a country?
No doubt that since so few supported the American break with England, that question came up often.