Skip to comments.Don't Sign a Petition Email
Posted on 11/15/2012 7:33:33 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty
Don't Sign a Petition Email
With permission, I post this email circulated in a private company:
All, As some of you may have heard since the Presidential election there are currently 32 states that have a petition to Secede from the United States. There may be some of you who are considering signing the petitions but we FSOs need to remind you that Allegiance to the United States is one of the 13 adjudicative guidelines that DISCO uses to grant you a security clearance and give you access to classified information. For that reason, we strongly suggest you do not sign any of these petitions or align yourself with any group that would place your allegiance to the country in question.
It is the belief of the Defense Security Service that signing the petition is a reportable event. However, we are waiting for a confirmation from local security representatives. In the meantime, please send me or your FSO notice if you have already signed the petition. Failure to report the action could possibly result in an issue with your eligibility when your reinvestigation for renewal becomes due.
Usually the person in the room screaming loudest to 'blow it up' or 'burn it down' is an FBI plant. I think you're on to something...
I don't see where these will accomplish anything, and I must note that the 'signatures' I saw on the one I looked at were from all over, and only a couple from that state.
If this was effective, with that M.O., maybe someone could enter petitions for the New England States, Illinois, the Left Coast, and everyone could 'sign' them so they'd be the first out...
“Yes. Actually, you are.”
Prove it. Where did I call anyone names?
“And those sentiments clearly express cowardice...”
No, they don’t. There is a difference between bravery and stupidity.
“As for what is welcome here, it’s Jim’s place... Not yours.”
Surely, which is why it is nice of Jim to set down rules for appropriate behavior, so that we can all know what is welcome here and don’t have to rely on anyone’s individual judgement.
... crazy, unhinged sore losers.
...so that we can all know what is welcome here and dont have to rely on anyones individual judgement.
That is exactly what YOU are doing. You've decided that anyone who who signs one of these petitions is a "crazy, unhinged sore loser".
Now you are whining on top of everything else.
“You’ve decided that anyone who who signs one of these petitions is a “crazy, unhinged sore loser”.”
I did nothing of the sort, despite your attempt to quote me out of context to make it look like I did. Here’s what I actually said:
“There are only really two things that the petition accomplishes:
#1 - It paints a target on the back of those who sign.
#2 - It makes Republicans look like crazy, unhinged sore losers.”
I didn’t call anyone names, I merely stated the fact that these petitions will be used to paint Republicans that way. I’d appreciate if you would stop lying about what I’ve said. It’s not very polite, and it’s pretty silly, when anyone can scroll up a few posts and see what you are doing.
As for whining... you’re the one who is calling people cowards if they don’t agree with you. I really don’t think you’re in any position to accuse people of whining.
* If your goal was to possibly save the country from the left,by winning elections,*
Winning elections? Hahahahahahahahaha
Our mere existence is enough for the Leftists to paint us that way. Or did you miss the part where they tried to pain Left-ist RINO Willard as "extreme Right-wing"?
And yes... As many of us have already admitted to signing these petitions... Your statement defining us as "crazy, unhinged sore losers" is a definite pejorative.
You are free to keep arguing the point, but it only makes you look even whinier...
I accurately described your fear of being on a "list" as cowardice. I stand by that...
“Our mere existence is enough for the Leftists to paint us that way.”
So we should just help them out then?
“Your statement defining us as “crazy, unhinged sore losers” is a definite pejorative.”
I didn’t “define” anyone that way. I said it would make us look that way. Stop lying about what I’ve said and trying to put words in my mouth, please.
“I accurately described your fear of being on a “list” as cowardice.”
I’m not afraid of being on a list, and I clearly never said anything of the sort. Rather, my point was that it is stupid to put yourself on a list while accomplishing nothing in the process. If you choose to pretend not to understand that difference, then I don’t know what to say.
Anyway, you’ve called me a coward, a whiner, and told transparent lies about me, so I’m not going to continue to try to have a reasonable conversation with the likes of you.
Why are we worried about it? They'd say we were extreme for insisting that water is wet...
Stop lying about what Ive said and trying to put words in my mouth, please.
Choose better words. This is what you are saying. If it isn't what you meant, say something else...
Rather, my point was that it is stupid to put yourself on a list while accomplishing nothing in the process.
No. You specifically brought up being on an elevated alert hit list. You also continue to ignore that people are talking about this from Coast to Coast. For free... There's no value in that?
There's no need for me to lie. Your cowardice and disdain for those trying to do something, anything, to preserve our way of life is pretty clear.
I am certianly glad that the signers of the Declaration of Independance didn't have your attitude. No I am not comparing myself to them. What happens to me is far less important than the liberty of the next generations.
The signers of the declaration of Independence were, in fact, asking to be removed as a citizen of Great Britain. Not sure why you are “glad” they didn’t have “my attitude”.
Maybe you misunderstood “remove as a citizen” to mean “physically remove from your state”. That would be silly — if your state seceded from the union, the state would be “removed” already, and the United States would have no reason to then come and remove you from the state.
But what they certainly WOULD do is remove your from the United States — you would no longer be a citizen. You would no longer be considered a member of the country.
If you sign a poll that requests that your state be removed from the union, you are probably asking to be removed from the union, although I guess technically your plan could be to move to a state that is NOT seceding.
If you want to remain a citizen of the United States, you would not sign a petition asking to have your state removed. And if you do, you should expect that government agencies trying to decide loyalty for purposes of security clearances to take that into account negatively.
I made the decision to sign, as a protest to an out of control lawless government. The petition to remove signers from the country is nonsense. The only provision for the deportation of a citizen involves treason, signing a petition does not fall into that category. I am a Citizen of the State of Arizona, not the United States. If you don't like what I have done, find a way to deal with it, I'll not respond to you again.
Ignore 'em, they're just babbling on!
I had nothing to do with any posts mentioning a petition to remove petitioners. Nor have I said anything to suggest I support removing people for signing a petition.
Maybe you didn’t read the article, or realize this was a thread to discuss the article posted, which was Yon explaining why people who need to get security clearances shouldn’t sign the petition, because doing so could be adverse information, and could negatively effect re-certification.
This was the topic I was discussing, not another stupid petition trying to throw people out for signing a petition.
My point was that if you signed a petition, you were ASKING to be removed from the country. That is what the petition SAYS — “please let our state leave the united states”.
You may have signed it as a protest, but if the feds acted in accordance to the petition you signed, you would no longer be a citizen. That’s not because I or anybody else wants it, but because YOU ASKED FOR IT.
If you didn’t want to be seen as petitioning your government to no longer be a member of the United States, you probably shouldn’t sign a petition that asks for your state to leave the United States.
As a protest for an out-of-control lawless government, the petition you signed is a joke. Nobody sees it as a serious protest of a real problem, they view it as a temper tantrum made by unserious people. That you insist you don’t want to revoke your citizenship tends to lend credence to the opinion that you weren’t serious when you asked for it.
Let those states that wish to leave secede from the United States
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