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Do You Have Friends Like This? [Vanity]
Pharmboy | 11-16-12 | Me

Posted on 11/16/2012 2:26:29 PM PST by Pharmboy

I have had these friends for years...they are retired state workers, currently employed teachers, and people who work for universities. I enjoy their company (so long as we stay away from politics) and do stuff together.

BUT...they really piss me off...why? Because they chose their job pathway to security and very circumscribed work hours. No overtime. No weekends.

Yet...YET...they constantly bitch about people with wealth who have worked for it. Took a chance, and achieve success.


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If I would say this to them, we would cease to be friends. But, they are getting close.
1 posted on 11/16/2012 2:26:35 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
I used to have a couple of friends like you have described....
2 posted on 11/16/2012 2:29:34 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Pharmboy

I stick to set hours because I haven’t slept well in 13 years, and I’m already exhausted when I wake up. If I had flexible positions in which I could spend some hours of overtime on a computer, then I’d be all over it.

Endocrine disease sucks, because it’s not always something you can see.


3 posted on 11/16/2012 2:29:43 PM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: Pharmboy

“....socialism has never worked anywhere, your going to find that out”

...is all you have to say to them, if they respond like a child, so be it. Find new friends you can depend on.


4 posted on 11/16/2012 2:33:16 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Pharmboy

Say it to them. If they can’t stand the criticism you are better off with new friends.


5 posted on 11/16/2012 2:33:58 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: wastedyears
Yeah, sometimes there are circumstances that can interfere with one's ability to adhere to a flexible schedule and so on so we need to have more info before we can pass judgement. I know myself, most likely I have Asperger's, I had tests as a kid, parents were worried I was autistic so looking at my records, I think I'd be a prime candidate to be an "Aspie." Changing schedules to me is like taking a car and going from 3rd gear and slamming it into 1st. I generally can adapt but it is tough.

Still I see the point being made but there are extenuating circumstances too.
6 posted on 11/16/2012 2:36:37 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Pharmboy

I am a newly retired state worker living frugally on a very modest pension. I am the opposite of what you describe (probably because I was not an instructor or administrator). I actually was very much looking forward to retirement to get away from the liberalism of the place, LOL.


7 posted on 11/16/2012 2:37:11 PM PST by mancini
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To: Pharmboy
Economically speaking, there are only two types of people: Producers and Non Producers.

ALL government employees are, by definition, Non Producers, people who have never produced a whit of the products or services necessary to sustain an ethical society or civilization.

Your friends are acting exactly in accordance with their position, lifelong looting slackers

Why do you expect them to act differently?

8 posted on 11/16/2012 2:37:28 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Pharmboy

I have a cousin that works part time at Western Michigan university. She wants to be hired full time so she can get the 5 hours per week paid time for workouts in the gym.


9 posted on 11/16/2012 2:38:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Pharmboy

However, I do see your point, there are those that expect everything for free, those that voted for Obama. BTW, I got into it with a friend I’ve known since I was 6 in 1972, 40 years, where we unfriended each other because of this election and how we see things.


10 posted on 11/16/2012 2:39:26 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Pharmboy
Welcome to Omerika!
11 posted on 11/16/2012 2:39:40 PM PST by Darteaus94025
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To: Pharmboy

I taught English literature at a university until I finally retired at 70 (to build my retirement funds up a bit more). I did it because it was what I wanted to do. It would have been nice to be rich, but I certainly never complained about it.

I was somewhat handicapped because I think my salary would have been quite a bit higher if I hadn’t been known as the department conservative, even though I published more than my share. But I certainly never blamed my friends in business, who were richer than me.

It was enough to live on, and even put numerous kids through college, though I’m in debt for the last of them. But I had seen people who worked at jobs they hated when I was younger, and I was determined to do something I could really enjoy.

Plus great vacations, although not enough money to do much with them. Still, even that was better than some of my friends who got two weeks off a year and barely relaxed into the swing of vacation before they had to go back to work again.

Do what you choose to do in life, and don’t complain about it. Envy is stupid.


12 posted on 11/16/2012 2:39:58 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Navy Patriot

The makers and the takers.


13 posted on 11/16/2012 2:41:08 PM PST by Darteaus94025
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To: Pharmboy

I don’t understand how you could be friends with them anyway. Liberalism runs through all areas of their life. Not sure what part you’re able to get along with and enjoy. I say find your own kind of friends where you can talk about everything. Life is too short to waste it on obama voters.


14 posted on 11/16/2012 2:43:13 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Pharmboy

To add a P.S. to my comment above, to those who think employees of the “state” don’t think much of capitalism and hard work, there are plenty of state employees who have worked hard and think the more successful in our society should be applauded.


15 posted on 11/16/2012 2:43:29 PM PST by mancini
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To: wastedyears

If you snore in your sleep, get a sleep study done of you have not already done so. I was suffering from sleep apnea and feeling tired all the time.


16 posted on 11/16/2012 2:46:06 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Pharmboy

Actually, believe it or not, I encounter the reverse more often. Blue collar types who bitch endlessly about the salaries of white collars.

Long story, but my wife lost her job early in the year. Here we are 8 months later after a couple of temporary assignments and she’s gainfully employed at 115% of her previous salary in a corporation with a wage ceiling twice as high as her previous job. I can’t begin to relate the amount of sour grapes I’ve heard from blue collar friends who’ve been unemployed for much longer.


17 posted on 11/16/2012 2:56:21 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Pharmboy

Stop suffering fools gladly sticking their hands in your pockets.

My tolerance levels have dropped dramatically.


18 posted on 11/16/2012 2:57:07 PM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Pharmboy

There are people who, no matter what job they take or who they work for, will try and do as little as possible while complaining as much as possible. From the sound of it, your friends fall into this group.

There is nothing you can do that will make them happy. And no changes to their workload or finances will ever make them happy. Kvetching is their default setting, and nobody can change that except them.

I was astonished to find out that my brother has joined that group. He isn’t a government employee, but you should hear the way he rages against conservatives all of a sudden!!


19 posted on 11/16/2012 3:00:36 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: taxcontrol
I work for a University, but I am in Texas so we still know hard work and capitalism. However here in Dallas the Unions just drove Hostess Twinkies into chapter 7 rather than take a pay cut. I find a large amount of people mostly Democrat, blue collar and a fair amount of smart people including Conservatives have no clue about economics and money. I have personal conservative friends who are pay check to pay check have new cars, RVs and no savings. It is out of control. I actually learned a lot of this in high school, I guess we only teach cultural things now.
20 posted on 11/16/2012 3:00:55 PM PST by pwatson
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To: Darteaus94025
The makers and the takers.

Exactly.

21 posted on 11/16/2012 3:02:40 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: taxcontrol

I have mild sleep apnea that’s due to an endocrine disease. When that gets fixed, away goes the sleep apnea.


22 posted on 11/16/2012 3:06:25 PM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: wastedyears

Hmmm, ok, it is your body but don’t mess around with apnea. It has caused a huge rise in my blood pressure that now has to be treated with medication. There are devices that you can wear at night time that will help with apnea.

Sorry about the endocrine disease.


23 posted on 11/16/2012 3:12:46 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Pharmboy

Complaining is a hobby for a lot of people regardless of political views.


24 posted on 11/16/2012 3:20:29 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: Pharmboy
If I would say this to them, we would cease to be friends.

Can't you say it mildly? That there are choices--high risk, high reward, or safe government career. Once you make them, man up. If you're angry when you say it, of course they'll be upset. If you're matter of fact about it... who knows? They might concede the point, and go back to bitching about it later, after you're gone.

25 posted on 11/16/2012 3:26:59 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Cicero

Would your tagline be referring to following quote?

“Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful, good society’ which shall now be Rome’s”


26 posted on 11/16/2012 3:29:38 PM PST by Flightdeck (My four children have been robbed)
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To: Pharmboy
I don’t have any “friends” like that.

I have had co-corkers with that attitude, but they never last long.They never stop coveting what others have, and almost always cause dissension and drama in every workplace.

I myself purposely chose lower wages and stable hours, in order to raise my child.And it was my choice.
Prior to having a child, I was not so “risk aversive”.

I know of many fine teachers and government workers in different jobs who do not have that loathesome attitude.

I do believe it is one of the ennumerated sins proscribed by the ten commandments. Whether one is a Jew, Christian, or just a person with a civilised moral code, its a good rule of thumb to follow.

I buy my weekly lotto ticket, and look around at things I might have if I were wealthy. But I also think about how that wealth will make me a target for thieves and scam artists, should I be “lucky” enough to win.

The gates, barbed wire and guards wealthy people use are to keep people exactly like your “friends” away.
Don’t kid yourself.
If the SHTF, they will join, if not lead the mobs in looting.

27 posted on 11/16/2012 3:30:06 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Pharmboy
i culled out all the RATS years ago except one county worker i've known for going on 40 years... and i only see him when i want to hear him whine as he has no other useful purpose on this earth
28 posted on 11/16/2012 3:34:15 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: cripplecreek

Your cousin will never see that benefit. I was there myself. I also went to WMU, but that’s another story....


29 posted on 11/16/2012 3:38:47 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Pharmboy

“I have had these friends for years...”

There is the mistake in your thinking:

Democrats/Liberals/Left-Wingers/Progressives/Socialists/Communists and Totalitarians are not your friends.

They are your ENEMIES, period. Get them out of your life immediately.


30 posted on 11/16/2012 3:49:21 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Pharmboy

I left behind this kind of “friends” long time ago. I still have to deal with some relative here-and-there, who thinks about themselves that they are so enlightened, smart, and sophisticated.... Periodically, I shatter their Lefty glass bubble. It is not fun, but I take it as a necessary thing to do.
Any person who makes you to hold your honest thoughts back is not a friend. Period. Drop them all, and find some real friends instead. They exist, and waiting to meet you for the same reasons.


31 posted on 11/16/2012 4:06:04 PM PST by OneHun
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To: Navy Patriot

Sorry but you are wrong in your global view.....

Clinical workers who serve at the VA are not “lifelong looting slackers.” And no, they are not paid outrageous salaries...that’s for the big shots in DC. The MAJORTIY of these clinical workers work very hard under stressful conditions.

Clerical workers who manage the social Security system,etc are also not ‘slackers.”

Government is too big and there ARE slackers who do not produce or serve a useful function..but my city garbage collector is also not one of those.


32 posted on 11/16/2012 4:10:01 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Pharmboy

I hear ya, most of my wife’s friends are really good cooks... yet they’ll be voting Dem into the next century.

The things we do for food and family. :-]


33 posted on 11/16/2012 4:10:16 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Pharmboy

I don’t anymore.


34 posted on 11/16/2012 4:18:59 PM PST by real saxophonist (Stay In The Fight)
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To: Nowhere Man

I understand that...truly. BUT...these people have nothing but venom for successful people on the private side.


35 posted on 11/16/2012 4:25:02 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Sorry, I don't write Economic Natural Law, I just have to obey it. As I said...

Economically speaking,...

ALL government employees are, by definition, Non Producers...

36 posted on 11/16/2012 4:27:21 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Pharmboy

Honestly, I cannot be friends with the enemy.


37 posted on 11/16/2012 4:27:34 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: mancini
Yes...you are, in my opinion, fine, appropriate, etc.,....not a problem like my friends are to me. You made your choice--for the security, early retirement, geographical convenience, whatever--but you do NOT bitch about the private sector people.

I respect tat 100%.

38 posted on 11/16/2012 4:28:01 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Yes...you make excellent points...and yet, these people are so good on so many other levels. BUT...socialists and worse: anti-capitalists.


39 posted on 11/16/2012 4:29:48 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy
I understand that...truly. BUT...these people have nothing but venom for successful people on the private side.

True, that is the key, the envy and vitriol they espouse.
40 posted on 11/16/2012 4:37:48 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Obama voters have cooties.)
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To: Pharmboy
I work for the state in IT for human services. It's actually shown me just how deep and troubling the entitlement mentality goes. I go into offices all over my state and see them lined up filling out applications for their government checks.

I saw a guy sitting in a DHS office a couple of months ago with a beer in his hand! -What a sorry SOB!

It's not encouraging at all, most of these people are fully capable of working, but it gives me even more pride in my work because I'm working, sweating and getting dusty lugging computer equipment around and I DON'T have to stand in line for a handout.

41 posted on 11/16/2012 4:48:11 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Pharmboy
I got 'em too, in my family, and like your friends they are good and nice people, but completely blind to their OWN failings resulting from human behavior while holding the "rich guy" to unattainably high standards.

The Good Lord warned with the Ten Commandments that "Thou shall not covet" ANYTHING that is another's.

Every slam of the "evil rich" is a violation of that Commandment.

People that engage in envy have no ability to logic, observe, deduce, act ethically or analyze their own human behavior. They can only criticize the behavior of those they envy.

42 posted on 11/16/2012 4:52:43 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Pharmboy
PS, congratulations on a valuable vanity thread.
43 posted on 11/16/2012 4:54:18 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Brett66
You are a perfect example of what I was NOT trying to say, that is, state and federal workers are--often--doing important and necessary jobs; however, it's the crappy, envious attitude of some of these people that frosts my butt.
44 posted on 11/16/2012 4:55:33 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

Why, WHY did you have to post this when I’ve been drinking?


45 posted on 11/16/2012 4:56:22 PM PST by ShadowDancer ("Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.")
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To: libertarian27
My tolerance levels have dropped dramatically. With your permission, I would like to replace Calvin Coolidge on my tagline with this. :)
46 posted on 11/16/2012 5:00:29 PM PST by ShadowDancer ("Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.")
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To: ShadowDancer

Sure :)


47 posted on 11/16/2012 5:07:09 PM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: ShadowDancer

Ha...too frickin’ funny.


48 posted on 11/16/2012 5:23:53 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Your hyperbole is disingenuous!
At least own up to it if you want to “debate”.

“Non Producers, people who have never produced a whit of the products or services necessary to sustain an ethical society or civilization.
Your friends are acting exactly in accordance with their position, lifelong looting slackers.”

The workers I mentioned DO provide services. All government is not filled with “ lifelong slackers”...we need some governmental services. It is only when govt becomes bloated that it is a problem. Entrepeneurs need workers and some government...THAT is also “Economic Natural Law”. Unless of course you believe in econmic anarchy, in which there is no govt.


49 posted on 11/16/2012 5:48:38 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: taxcontrol

I tried a CPAP machine, couldn’t go to sleep with it turned on, never mind on my face.

There’s nothing to really be sorry about, anyway. It’s nothing I could’ve controlled by diet or anything else before getting them. It’s something my body compensates for, and has been doing so rather strongly considering the circumstances, for some time now. Bad part is though I feel like my grandfather, who’s 91. We complain about the same things.


50 posted on 11/16/2012 7:37:58 PM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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