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WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH OBAMA'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS?
vanity | 11/16/2012 | MrChips

Posted on 11/16/2012 3:55:59 PM PST by MrChips

OK, so I briefly bought into the Internet hype that Obama had signed 927 executive orders. Not true. Just 139. But, I still view him as the "executive order" president who arrogantly treats Congress as irrelevant and does whatever he wants. Just today, the Wall Street Journal ran a piece on Harry Reid's subterfuge in scotching a bipartisan cyber-security bill so that Obama could just write his own version via executive order, a version more friendly to centralized federal government control. And I know that he used executive orders cynically leading up to the election, like the one stopping the deportation of illegal aliens. All so Orwellian. But, here's my problem: in trying to research this, I find only two things . . . (1) the official government list of executive orders, the language of which is barely decipherable, and (2) bogus accounts of "927" orders and lists of "Obama's worst orders" that actually contain those of other presidents. I have no trouble believeing that Obama's subtle EO machinations are the kinds of stuff worthy of Alinsky, Orwell, and Stalin, but I would appreciate some help in proving my case.


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: executiveorders

1 posted on 11/16/2012 3:56:04 PM PST by MrChips
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To: MrChips

look up Naachum. He probably has the worst detailed.


2 posted on 11/16/2012 3:58:56 PM PST by Blogger
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To: MrChips

What case are you trying to prove? I’ve checked out the reports of 700, 800, 900 executive orders supposedly signed and like you found them bogus. But the fact remains Obama has signed more than any other president by a significant margin.


3 posted on 11/16/2012 4:00:13 PM PST by skeeter
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To: MrChips

I believe I read he took previous executive orders of other presidents and added to them to give him and certain of his departments more power, covering more than the originals intended. Those would have the other presidents’ names on them.


4 posted on 11/16/2012 4:05:26 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: MrChips

... another point. It is not just QUANTITY of EOs. One Obama-charged EO can do a lot more damage than 20 ordinary EOs. A key item is whether the EO is within bounds of what an EO should cover versus an EO that is clearly going around the legislative branch. He can write a 1000 EOs with mundane little rules regarding what certain bureaucracies need to do but it’s when his EOs affect me and the public at large that my antennae go up.


5 posted on 11/16/2012 4:08:23 PM PST by plain talk
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To: skeeter

Well, I am not sure that is true either. But the number is not important. It’s what’s in them that matters. SO, I guess what I want is to find a bona fide list, not bogus, that summarizes in understandable language the ones he has written, ot least the twenty-five worst . . . and perhaps, ultimately, to see a pattern in them.


6 posted on 11/16/2012 4:12:18 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Blogger

ok, thanks, will try.


7 posted on 11/16/2012 4:13:07 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Blogger

Nope. Great web site, but he does not seem to have maintained such a list.


8 posted on 11/16/2012 4:19:31 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

Just imagine what he will be able to do shortly when he stacks the SCOTUS with two or three new justices this term. He’ll darn near be Putin!


9 posted on 11/16/2012 4:19:55 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: Marcella
An Executive Order doesn't exceed, or expand, the Constitutional authority of a President. It merely provides guidance regarding various topics ~ for example, something may be need to be defined for clarity, or there could be two laws with conflicting sections, so the Executive ~ absent Congressional correction of the error ~ may need to state which section in which law is to be preferred, and the circumstances.

An EO my grandfather helped get changed had been signed ages ago by some President who decided that federal government employees should not be allowed to communicate directly with their Congressman.

FDR agreed to allow federal employees to write letters to their Congressmen provided they undertook a campaign to eliminate Communist union organizers from government agencies.

So, they thought that was a good deal and got rid of the Commies.

A fellow I worked for at the old Post Office Department found that when he transferred into POD from another agency he lost not only his seniority, he lost his vacation time, sick leave, and the time credit that allowed you to go from 13 days a year to 20 days a year.

That was controlled by an EO signed by some President who thought it important to keep the operation of the federal bureaucracy separate from the POD. This guy found a mistake in the original EO, and persuaded the then current President ~ I believe it was Eisenhower ~ to fix it so that you didn't lose seniority and vacation time moving from one agency to another. So, a new EO was issued correcting the error, and change an "and" to a "but", adding a few commas, and voila, the way the Civil Service Commission interpreted the Constituion was changed ~ by the President ~ all in the absence of legislation one way or the other.

Years later I had a civil service appeal going that'd been languishing for several years, then Ronald Reagan became President. All at once that appeal was acted on ~ concerned a little matter of what constituted an actual personnel action. By changing a couple of words in the way they answered appeals, the MSPB itself readdressed the way an existing EO should be READ ~ not just interpreted ~ and federal agencies could no longer transfer old people around from detail to detail until they retired or quit.

That's a lot of power there guys ~ bureaucratic details ~ calendar notations, petty rules no one is affected by but a handful of employees ~ and only some Freepers and Obama imagine that EOs can be used to totally revise the way the government works.

Well, for a couple of weeks maybe, but then the bureaucrats can decide how to read those EOs and things will happen a little differently than he'd imagined!!!!

10 posted on 11/16/2012 4:21:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: RobertClark

No. He reports to Putin.


11 posted on 11/16/2012 4:21:27 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips
According to Wikipedia, the total EO's by president are as follows:

RWR 5
GHWB 3
BC 15
GWB 121
BO 139

Wiki shows many more EO numbers for GWB but have no text explaining what EO those numbers represent, so I assume there were no EO's related to them, just skipped numbers in the log.

Also, BO's EO's were issued in 4 years, while GWB's were over the course of two terms.

12 posted on 11/16/2012 4:21:48 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Blogger

Nachumlist is loaded with malware - I do NOT recommend going to the site.


13 posted on 11/16/2012 4:22:16 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: skeeter

Thanks . . . but it would be just 3 1/2 years.


14 posted on 11/16/2012 4:25:17 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: skeeter
But the fact remains Obama has signed more than any other president by a significant margin.

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Executive Orders listed by President

Not hardly as of today but may well surpass them by the time his next term is up.

Obama   -- 140
GW Bush -- 290
Clinton -- 363
G Bush  -- 165
Reagan  -- 380

15 posted on 11/16/2012 4:25:37 PM PST by deport
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To: RobertClark

Thanks. His doing?


16 posted on 11/16/2012 4:26:11 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: deport

MMM, see! people have different sources.


17 posted on 11/16/2012 4:27:15 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips
Thanks. His doing?

Absolutely not, I think he is a stand up guy. It is usually injected by a party other than the site owner (happens all the time).

Details Below:

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Malicious software is hosted on 2 domain(s), including daybday.com/, pratocartucce.com/.

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This site was hosted on 2 network(s) including AS26496 (PAH), AS15169.

18 posted on 11/16/2012 4:28:55 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: deport

Presidents issue the EO’s in numerically sequential numbers. The first issued by Obama was EO13489. He is on number 13629 now. 140 is correct.


19 posted on 11/16/2012 4:32:37 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: RobertClark

Is there no way he can protect himself? Obviously, this could be the work of Obamanoids.


20 posted on 11/16/2012 4:32:37 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

That is the official list. What more do you want? You can read the entire EO if you so choose.


21 posted on 11/16/2012 4:33:02 PM PST by deport
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To: deport
Well I'm completely confused now.
22 posted on 11/16/2012 4:34:19 PM PST by skeeter
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To: MrChips
Is there no way he can protect himself? Obviously, this could be the work of Obamanoids.

I don't doubt for a second that is exactly what it is. Yes, it is quite easy to protect the site (especially since it doesn't contain a lot of vulnerable formats), but he as the administrator will need to be the one to do it. I don't know if he has asked for help - if he has, I haven't seen it or would be happy to do so.

23 posted on 11/16/2012 4:35:32 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: RobertClark

O like my new term . . . “Obamanoids” . . . I think I will use it exclusively from here on out. They are not real people, after all.


24 posted on 11/16/2012 4:37:42 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

I like the term. I envision it with a ‘Z’ somewhere, however, as the typical libtard is just out for free stuff. I see them dragging their ignorant selves down the street slobbering “Freeeee Stuffffff, we need Freeeee Stufffffff”.


25 posted on 11/16/2012 4:40:26 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: MrChips

http://www.westernjournalism.com/a-comprehensive-list-of-obamas-worst-executive-orders/


26 posted on 11/16/2012 4:42:09 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

Yeah, been there. Bogus list. Look at the numbers.


27 posted on 11/16/2012 4:43:19 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Irenic
http://www.westernjournalism.com/a-comprehensive-list-of-obamas-worst-executive-orders/ Reading further I see that they are claiming the 900+
28 posted on 11/16/2012 4:44:08 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: MrChips

Yeah, I went back to dig in and start reading and realized I posted a raspberry link.


29 posted on 11/16/2012 4:45:33 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: skeeter

That wiki list doesn’t have all the data filled in. Go to the gov’t link at the Fed Register I provided and click on the Presidents name and you’ll see the listings by year/number on which you can click on and read the entire EO.


30 posted on 11/16/2012 4:48:54 PM PST by deport
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To: deport; MrChips
Not all EOs are created equal. Proclamations, for example, are a special type of Executive Order that are generally ceremonial or symbolic, such as when the President declares National Take Your Child To Work Day. Another subset of Executive Orders are those concerned with national security or defense issues. These have generally been known as National Security Directives. Under the Clinton Administration, they have been termed "Presidential Decision Directives."

An excerpt from ThisNation.com. Might explain why there are so many different lists on this topic.

Or it might not.

At any rate, maybe all EO's shouldn't be considered equal.

31 posted on 11/16/2012 4:51:52 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

On the Wiki listing where the title info is blank you can still click on the EO # in the left column and it will take you to the individual EO with all the info.


32 posted on 11/16/2012 4:53:26 PM PST by deport
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To: MrChips

There may be different ways to count orders. Each Executive Order may contain multiple orders. For example, the health care order found here

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2010-03-29/pdf/2010-7154.pdf

has at least two statements that begin “I hereby direct”

If someone took the time to count each command in all the EO’s they might have counted significantly more orders than EO’s


33 posted on 11/16/2012 5:11:17 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Nachum

ping


34 posted on 11/16/2012 6:13:32 PM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: MrChips
I really screwed up on this one.

I wish I had seen this thread or had done more research at the time. But, unfortunately, I didn't follow my own advice, didn't do my own research and now I am guilty of doing exactly what I am quick to criticize others for.

I admit that I bought the 923 owebama EOs story without looking too closely and then became a rumor mill by passing that false info along.

No doubt about it. I screwed up.

35 posted on 01/13/2013 5:40:02 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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