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M1A National Match vs Remington 700 Tactical

Posted on 11/16/2012 6:42:53 PM PST by Farmer Dean

I'm considering the purchase of the M1A in National Match grade.Anyone have experience using this rifle and how does it compare (in accuracy) to the Remington 700 Tactical.


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1 posted on 11/16/2012 6:43:02 PM PST by Farmer Dean
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To: Farmer Dean

My uncle loaned me an M14 back in the 60’s. I’ve loved the platform ever since. Wish I didn’t have to give it back.

OTOH, the 700 Tactical may be a little more accurate.


2 posted on 11/16/2012 6:49:00 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Farmer Dean

M1A/Damn fine rifle.Nuff said.


3 posted on 11/16/2012 6:49:34 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: umgud

:)


4 posted on 11/16/2012 6:50:51 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Farmer Dean
I suspect that you know all about both guns.
IMO, it comes down to your needs or purposes. Bolt action vs magazine feed.
Both are very fine weapons that'll do the job you need done.


(damn...that is a tuff choice)

REMINGTON 700 TACTICAL 308 @ 400 YARDS
5 posted on 11/16/2012 6:51:10 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Farmer Dean

When in doubt, get both!

In all seriousness, I have a Fulton Armory M14 and love it. It is my most accurate rifle. I’ve heard good things about the M1A NM also. What are your goals for this rifle? Obviously one is semi-automatic vs. bolt action. Might make a difference in achieving those goals.


6 posted on 11/16/2012 6:52:00 PM PST by GnL
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To: Farmer Dean

Apples and oranges there. Bolt gun versus semi-auto version of military service rifle. Accuracy favors the bolt gun. The M1A can be coaxed to be accurate, but There is a big learning curve. The bolt gun with good optics is almost dummy proof, almost.;-)


7 posted on 11/16/2012 6:52:36 PM PST by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it)
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To: Farmer Dean

You should join M14forum.com and do a search. Each of these rifles has been written about extensively.


8 posted on 11/16/2012 6:58:55 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: GnL

Have you used the Federal Gold Match 168gr ammo in the M14?If yes,how well did it do?I have the Remington and that ammo is giving me 1.125 inch groups at 200 yards.I’d like to stick with this ammo in the M1A if possible.


9 posted on 11/16/2012 7:01:25 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: 43north

Thanks for the info,I’m going to go there and see what I can learn.


10 posted on 11/16/2012 7:02:50 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

Is that the SPS tactical? If so I would say there really is no comparison. Get the NM M1A. The SPS Tactical is nice but hardly in the same league as a NM Springfield. Heck the SPS is so cheap in comparison you rally should get both : )


11 posted on 11/16/2012 7:04:52 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Farmer Dean

I have 3 M1A’s and I love them. They feel and shoot like REAL rifles.

M14forum.com is an invaluable resource for me.


12 posted on 11/16/2012 7:05:42 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Farmer Dean

They can both be more accurate than you can shoot them. The M1A will require more work (visits to the gunsmith) to maintain that accuracy.


13 posted on 11/16/2012 7:14:57 PM PST by wrench
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To: Farmer Dean

I only use milsurp ammo in my M14. I try to get the “better” milsurp however. I’m not into competition shooting and 7.62x51 is expensive enough in the surplus form, let alone the match ammo. Sounds like you are a good shooter with groups like that. I suspect the M1A is not as accurate but probably isn’t too far off.


14 posted on 11/16/2012 7:19:25 PM PST by GnL
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To: Farmer Dean

Both great rifles. It depends on what you want to do with it.
The bolt gun has a lot of options available to it that the semi-auto can’t have.
Theoretically, the semi-auto has quick follow-up shot advantage over the bolt.
My vote goes to the bolt for ultimate accuracy at really long range.
The following article is an example. Page 7 shows a 700 set up for this type of work:
http://demigodllc.com/articles/the-case-for-260-remington/?p=1


15 posted on 11/16/2012 7:24:44 PM PST by lgjhn23
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To: Farmer Dean

Oh yeah, get both before they are gone. Frankly the Remington may have the edge though the M1A will win your heart. Kinda like owning a classic Corvette. I prefer 150 gr. in my M1A standard though it will handle 168 just fine, any heavier you need to work with an adjustable gas block or turn it off, beats up the op rod, with a bolt action you can shoot any weight bullet.


16 posted on 11/16/2012 7:27:25 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Farmer Dean

They both should be accurate enough.

Base your decision on what you really want and not worry about accuracy.

If accuracy is your primary consideration, the Remington should on average be more accurate. In fact 700 actions tend to be favored by those wanting extreme accuracy. I personally much prefer the current model 70, now made by FN/Herstal in South Carolina which is basically just a civilian Mauser. I think it is more reliable than the 700 but they both are reliable.

Just get what you want as they all are fine.


17 posted on 11/16/2012 7:30:57 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: Farmer Dean

Apples to oranges. Hope you like to chase brass.


18 posted on 11/16/2012 7:31:36 PM PST by 03A3
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To: 03A3
I have several nice semi-autos, but I really love my Model 700. It's the first rifle I grab when I'm going to the boonies for an extended stay. Sometimes it's the only one. It just fits my nicely.

Mine is a .270 and is a limited edition Boone & Crocket which has a brown laminated wood stock and a parkerized fluted barrel. It's chunky, and has a 3-9 Leopold tactical scope mounted on a bolted on picatinny rail scope mounting base. (ie: overkill)

Never owned an M-14 based semi-auto, but those who do love them. I'd like to get a Garrand first, though. I kinda like non-pistol grip stocks. I was just reading about this here: The Art of the Rifle

19 posted on 11/16/2012 8:03:48 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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Not mine, but pretty much the same.

20 posted on 11/16/2012 8:06:50 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Farmer Dean
Get both. The 700 user freindly for long distance work. M1A has slighly larger minute of angle accuracy, more difficult to achieve similar accuracy due to more moving parts.

Can use same ammo, however, each particular rifle may work better with it's own choice of grain of bullet and powder charge.

In skeedadle mode, M1A puts more lead on target in shorter time, quicker to reload.

21 posted on 11/16/2012 8:14:01 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Farmer Dean
i know they are extremely partial to Match Ammo... at least they were in the 80's
22 posted on 11/16/2012 8:28:32 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Farmer Dean

I gunsmith for a living and build custom rifles. The odds of building a semi-auto as accurate as a bolt rifle is pretty slim. However, there are some very accurate semi-auto rifles. The M-1 can be made very accurate. Everything considered, the bolt rifle has more potential, on average.


23 posted on 11/16/2012 8:38:45 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Farmer Dean

Save your money and get an AK.


24 posted on 11/16/2012 9:04:02 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Farmer Dean

You’ll probably find that the 700 is more accurate, on the whole, than the M1A.


25 posted on 11/16/2012 9:15:05 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Farmer Dean
I've run a few rounds thru the M1A. I'm sure it was capable of much better accuracy than I was able to get out of it.

Seems to me that the choice you're looking at really is iron sights or glass. Each has their place, why not just buy one of each? Your wife won't mind.

(Then again you might consider the Savage instead of the Remington but you didn't ax that question...) :)

26 posted on 11/17/2012 3:24:44 AM PST by OKSooner ("I will bless those who bless thee, and I will curse those who curse thee.")
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To: Jack Black

My goodness, what a pretty hunting rifle, with a Leupold scope even.


27 posted on 11/17/2012 3:30:12 AM PST by OKSooner ("I will bless those who bless thee, and I will curse those who curse thee.")
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To: Farmer Dean

When they make a 20 round magazine for the Remington it will be hard to choose...


28 posted on 11/17/2012 3:34:42 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: smokingfrog

The probability of actually NEEDING something favors the AK. In fact for the same money you can get them for your neighbors as well which will be more useful “if needed”.


29 posted on 11/17/2012 3:38:57 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Farmer Dean
If you had served in Vietnam, the question would never come up. The M-14/M1A is accurate, dependable and serious firepower. Accurizing an M-14 isn't difficult or rare if you really are good enough for sub-MOA shooting and it is easy to find superior mounts for riflescopes if you are peep sight challenged. For years, the M-14 held service match 600m records and still are the weapon of choice for dedicated long-distance military shooters.

Bolt guns are dandy old antiques but they don't have an "emergency" mode like an M-14/M1A has.

30 posted on 11/17/2012 3:39:48 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Farmer Dean

If you want to mount a scope and do long range precision work, then the Rem 700 is the way to go. If you anticipate high volume of fire at intermediate ranges (not requiring optics or special mounts), then an M1A is fine (or an AR10 or any of the spate of 308Win/7.62Nato chambered SAs that are currently on the market.)

The M1A has deficiencies when it comes to LRPR, as is true for all military rifles designed for open sights, not telescoping optics. Sure there are mounts for it, but these mounts result in a very high cheek weld relative to the bore axis. To solve this problem either a stock with an adjustable cheek rest or a cheek piece must be installed.

It all depends what you want to do with it. An AR10 is more versatile when it comes to mounting optics.


31 posted on 11/17/2012 4:16:20 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: Farmer Dean

Love my M1A for what it is - a battle rifle.

Of my several M700’s, the one with the R5 MILSPEC barrel is one of the most accurate rifles I’ve ever owned. Handloads go into 1/4 MOA.


32 posted on 11/17/2012 5:08:53 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: wastoute

I have class3 weapons if the time comes that I just need raw firepower.


33 posted on 11/17/2012 6:14:57 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

I own the 700 .308 with the factory heavy barrel and synthetic stock.It’s shot well right out of the box,better than my ability as a shooter.I’ll be going into semi retirement soon and will have more time to spend at the range,I thought that a match grade M1A might be fun.I will be looking into the R5 barrel for the 700-thanks for the info.


34 posted on 11/17/2012 6:24:54 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

I also have both. Here are my observations and opinions

Rem 700 in .308 - Accurate, easy to clean and disassemble, weighs less than the M1A.

M1A - Accurate, harder to clean and disassemble, requires special tools for a thorough cleaning, weighs more than the Rem 700. It’s also very fun to shoot. I put a scope mounted with Smith Enterprise parts and a 3x-20x scope along with a bipod. I regret doing that. I should have kept it standard. All the extra gear makes it heavy when you walk around with it. A good sling helps.

I’ve hit coins at 200 yards with both rifles using surplus ammo. If I wanted the gun for hunting or single round shooting, I’d go with the Rem 700. If I wanted a SHTF gun, I’d go with the M1A. If sniping, remember, the M1A ejects a round and the ejected cartridge may flash in the sunlight if that is important to you. It’s also harder to find the brass after the shot.

Just my 2 cents.


35 posted on 11/17/2012 6:57:27 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Farmer Dean

The M1A1 (M14) is the finest MBR ever produced. With this rifle you are the sheriff out to 800 meters.

As to the Remington 700 it has some major design flaws. The greatest of these is an improperly designed trigger mechanism that has had thousands of reported cases of unintentional discharge. This can happen by either taking it off safety or operating the bolt to take a round out of the chamber. The USMC last year returned a whole shipment of M40’s which is the miitary model 700 because they were misfiring. Proof can be found on YouTube.


36 posted on 11/17/2012 8:03:25 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I must concur with you, ma’am. If you get the M1A you have both bases covered as it were. It’s more than accurate enough for hunting purposes, fires NATO standard ammo, and can put out serious, accurate, volume fire should that ever be necessary.

If one were looking strictly for a hunting rifle I’d say go with the Remington, or look at the Savage line to save some money. But if there’s a choice between the two, then there’s no choice.

Gt the M1A. Hands down.


37 posted on 11/17/2012 8:14:22 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Just got home with my new M1A National Match.Nice fit and finish,and a pretty decent trigger out of the box.I’ve already got Gold Match 168gr ammo on the shelf,so I’m going out to the back 40 and see how this thing shoots.


38 posted on 11/17/2012 11:46:07 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

I’ve had mine for a couple of decades. Its an older original SA model with a serial number of under 25,000. All of the relevant parts have the NM stamp on them, and all are TRW manufacture.

I glass bedded it into a tiger birch stock I got from Fred’s. Topped it off with the correct 1st Gen SA Rangefinding scope. The stock was hand finished with 12 coats of Tung Oil to bring out the beautiful grain in that wood.

That thing is a no **** 800 yard rifle. I love it.


39 posted on 11/17/2012 11:56:45 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Shot the new rifle,my first impression is-I should have bought one of these a long time ago.Very smooth,light recoil.Two stage trigger,but good release-I don’t think that I’ll be doing anything to it at least for now.Overall I’m happy as can be with it.


40 posted on 11/17/2012 1:41:53 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: lgjhn23

“Theoretically, the semi-auto has a quick follow-up shot advantage over the bolt”
Seriously? It’s a lot more than theoretical! In 1967, I was assigned to cover our company sniper with my M-14 in case he ran into trouble. He had a Winchester model 70 in .30-06 and he was grateful to have me in direct support if case we ran into more than one VC. 20 rounds of 7.62mm fired as fast as possible is WAY more effective than 5 rounds fired, one per bolt manipulation. How do you think the Germans with their KAR 98K or the Japanese with their Arisakas felt going up against the M1 Garand?


41 posted on 11/18/2012 5:47:31 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

“...Seriously? It’s a lot more than theoretical!...”
Theoretical was a poor choice of words on my part (I knew better) and I have no doubt in that situation you described, it was more than a welcome and needful weapon. Like i said, “It all depends on what you’re gonna do with it.” For up close and personal, the semi-auto is the way to go. For placing shots in the area of a dime out to 850 yards or so, maybe not so much. I actually have both type of platforms: A semi carbine for defense up close and personal and a heavily customized 700 bolt shooting necked down .308 to .264 for reaching way on out there. I kinda like “touching small things” afar off before the sound of the shot ever even gets there.


42 posted on 11/18/2012 7:09:42 PM PST by lgjhn23
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To: lgjhn23
I am a big fan of "touching things from afar" too and the M-14/M1A does just fine in that department. In Vietnam, my longest effective shot was 600m against a VC sniper and later in peacetime, I held the range record of 34 consecutive V-ring bullseyes at 600m (with a military match M-14). An M-14/M1A, properly setup and maintained, will more than hold its own against any bolt action rifle.

It does sound like your custom Model 700 is a really good weapon - I am envious - but you'll pardon me if I prefer my old '14..

Semper Fi

43 posted on 11/19/2012 3:09:01 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

“...It does sound like your custom Model 700 is a really good weapon...”
Nothin’ wrong with the 14 for sure. It’s a proven rifle, both in battle and in competition. But I like my .264.
I was taught to shoot a Winchester 22-02 single shot at the early age of 5 by a WWII Marine BAR rifleman (my father). I’ve been “plinking” ever since. BTW, he recently (last month) was the recipient of the Congressional WWII Medal for his service during the invasion of Okinawa. He’s 87 now. As far as we know, he’s the last surviving member of his unit.
I shoot left-handed so my 700’s action originated from a brand-new youth model LH .243. I pretty much copied the rifle on page 7 in the link on my first post. I had the lugs and barrel facing surfaces machined true and built the rest of it myself. I installed a Jewel trigger, Benny Coolie muzzle brake drilled for LH, a 3-groove Lilja barrel (waited almost a year for that thing. Rumor was Navy Seals had first dibs. Not sure if that was just a rumor or true. Waited long enough for it to be true....lol), HS Precision stock (waited forever for a LH one, but finally got it), Night Force scope, and the list goes on. I hand-load every round precisely the same for this particular barrel. This rifle likes the 123-gain Lapua Scenar at 3000 fps the best. It’s low recoil and the ballistic coefficient of the .264 123-grain Lapua makes even this blind old man shoot good...lol. I just don’t get as much time as I would like to these days, but still enjoy it when I do. Sometimes, I wish I had this rifle when I was younger and could see something.


44 posted on 11/19/2012 11:33:59 AM PST by lgjhn23
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To: lgjhn23

Wow, what a great rifle you’ve put together! Would love to try that puppy out.. I have the good fortune to be a member of the Quantico Shooting Club, we have regular use of 300m range and frequent use of a 1000m range. We are both gaining in age and losing eyesight, so I have to admit that I have gone over to glass sights.. I do have a gorgeous match M1A but I also have a bolt gun - a French PGM in 7.62.. I haven’t done anything to it - it doesn’t need anything at all! (CarI Walther barrel) I can sympathize with your difficulty with “right hand bias” :my oldest daughter’s a Southpaw and it’s been the dickens to get her decent rifles. Please give your father my fondest salute.
Semper Fi


45 posted on 11/19/2012 11:56:49 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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