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Windows 8 sales fall short of Microsoft's internal projections
Apple Insider ^ | Monday, November 19, 2012, 04:26 pm | Slash Lane

Posted on 11/19/2012 4:39:36 PM PST by tje

Initial sales of the Windows 8 operating system are said to be "well below" Microsoft's internal projections.

Citing a "trusted" source, Paul Thurott of Supersite for Windows said Windows 8 is off to a weak start, but Microsoft doesn't believe sales have been affected by the software itself. Instead, the thinking in Redmond, Wash., is said to be that PC makers have offered "lackluster" designs, along with limited availability.

That disappointment with Microsoft's PC partners is said to have further reaffirmed the company's strategy with the new Surface tablet, which is the first computer designed and manufactured by the company itself.

Thurott surmises that the initial disappointment of Windows 8 is related to a number of issues, including a slumping economy, confusing range of device types, and the touch-centric interface of Windows 8 Metro.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: microsoft; surface; windows8; zune8
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I have Windows 8 on a notebook and hate it, but I need it for work. I think it might be reasonable on a tablet.
1 posted on 11/19/2012 4:39:44 PM PST by tje
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To: tje

An OS licensor telling it’s customers that they make crap is really going to turn this thing around!

I smell Ballmer.


2 posted on 11/19/2012 4:43:49 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: tje
I have Windows 8 on a notebook and hate it, but I need it for work. I think it might be reasonable on a tablet.

Does the interface have a classic (Windows 7) mode?

3 posted on 11/19/2012 4:46:25 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tje

Last Friday I visited a “shopping mall”.
Something I do about twice per year.

The Apple store was mobbed, with at least 10 additional people lined up outside waiting to be admitted by a bouncer.

The Microsoft kiosk selling the “Surface” had 5 employees and no customers.

BTW I’m no fan of either but I use Windows on my stuff.


4 posted on 11/19/2012 4:47:12 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: tje

I hate Microsoft windows, it always crashes, lockups, malfunctions but I will still use it because it beats the alternative of owning an Apple which is gey.


5 posted on 11/19/2012 4:48:51 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: tje

The OS isn’t suited at all for Desktops.

You know if Best Buy is offering “Free Windows 8 Training”, you have a problem.

I never thought it possible, but this thing may bomb more spectacularly than Vista....

I believe it may do ok on mobile devices though.


6 posted on 11/19/2012 4:51:02 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: tje

Windows 8 will go down as Microsoft’s biggest mistake of all time. Worse than the OS BOB.

There is already a pretty large group of companies that sell software to strip out that horrid interface as best it can be stripped down.

I have been in the technology industry for may years and Windows 8 is so stunningly bad on the desktop and notebook that I’m amazed. Maybe it is aces on tablets but why Microsoft would push a touch interface on regular machines is so odd. It is as if they did not research with end users.

Windows 8 is the best thing that has ever happened to Apple and Linux that I can recall.

The should have not called in Windows 8, it should be called Windows Vomit 8.


7 posted on 11/19/2012 4:53:38 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: Zhang Fei

It sort of has a classic desktop, but it’s very clunky to navigate.


8 posted on 11/19/2012 4:54:20 PM PST by tje
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To: isthisnickcool

I believe you’re correct.. I posted this from my MacBook Air.


9 posted on 11/19/2012 4:56:11 PM PST by tje
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To: Zhang Fei; catnipman

According to another FReeper it’s not what you’d expect:

Q:

“But are you saying that even after switching to the conventional desktop that conventional laptops and desktops are not usable with W8?”

A:

“Correct. No Start Menu on conventional desktop, running the mouse into various corners and sides of the screen cause various popout menus to appear, and some of those hiddend and fateful mouse positions and various other activities can cause the conventional desktop to be repeatedly replaced with the useless Metro UI.”


10 posted on 11/19/2012 4:56:43 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I recommend a good stable Linux install for you. Ubuntu, maybe.


11 posted on 11/19/2012 4:57:00 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: tje
Windows 8 isn't useful for Desktops or Laptops. If you don't have a touchscreen the OS is just a waste of Disk space. If MS had an option to disable Metro they will have something useful for most users.


12 posted on 11/19/2012 4:57:01 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: tje
I will never ever buy Apple again. I bought one once and it was really really reeeeally really really really really slow.

Look at these specs, what a ripoff!

CPU MOS 6502 @ 1 MHz

Memory 4 KB standard expandable to 8 KB or 48 KB using expansion cards

Graphics 40×24 characters, hardware-implemented scrolling

13 posted on 11/19/2012 5:01:30 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: KoRn
The OS isn’t suited at all for Desktops.

That's exactly it. That Metro UI is crap on a desktop, but makes sense on a tablet or a phone. I think if they gave desktop users the ability to blow off Metro, it'd be okay.

14 posted on 11/19/2012 5:03:40 PM PST by tje
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To: Zhang Fei

This very machine has Windows 8. I plan to remove it this next weekend and go back to Win 7 pro.

Essentially, to the user, Win 8 on a notebook or desktop is Win 7 with a fancy start screen you put away (by clicking on “desktop”) as fast as you can, and then the UI is remarkably like Win7.

However.

They took away the start button in the lower left and kinda sorta put it in the lower right, but you have to hover your mouse just right to find it.

Multi-monitor systems work oddly, and the screens don’t go where you expect them too.

A number of Win 7 programs DO NOT work well in Win 8, despite MS promises to the contrary.

“MY COMPUTER” is gone as a default.

Control Panel is redesigned to the point of being stoopid.

Win 8 REALLY wants you to be on line AT ALL TIMES. And logged into an email ID and your LIVE ID too.

It’s not any faster, is harder to use (learning curve), does NOT boot any faster [ MS LIES ] and my CPU runs hotter.

I see NO reason to keep it. NONE.

Why would I want a MS tablet when I have WONDERFUL iOS and Android choices?


15 posted on 11/19/2012 5:03:52 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: tje

So an Apple article about Microsoft is critical?

Somebody needs a life.


16 posted on 11/19/2012 5:07:09 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: tje

I need to upgrade to a better desktop machine.

I think I will get a Win8 box and install Linux and Win7 also...perhaps XP as well. This way I will be prepared for whatever.


17 posted on 11/19/2012 5:07:36 PM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Oberon
I recommend a good stable Linux install for you. Ubuntu, maybe.

I have and like Ubuntu.. I've got red hat too.. Most of my days computer time is pretty much evenly split between Mountain Lion and Win 7.

18 posted on 11/19/2012 5:08:52 PM PST by tje
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To: tje

It’s the UI, stupid.


19 posted on 11/19/2012 5:09:13 PM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: Blueflag
Why would I want a MS tablet when I have WONDERFUL iOS and Android choices?

Because an MS tablet runs a PC operating system and not a phone OS?

20 posted on 11/19/2012 5:09:13 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Blueflag
Why would I want a MS tablet when I have WONDERFUL iOS and Android choices?

Speaking of Macs, it's been many years since I've used one. Has the interface changed much, if at all?

21 posted on 11/19/2012 5:09:39 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tje
That's exactly it. That Metro UI is crap on a desktop, but makes sense on a tablet or a phone. I think if they gave desktop users the ability to blow off Metro, it'd be okay.

True. Just went to Windows Phone last week. Pretty jazzy. Would never use it on a pc, though.

22 posted on 11/19/2012 5:10:12 PM PST by WeatherGuy
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To: Erik Latranyi

I am a “user” and a decade plus plus ago was a Windows 1.0 user. I even used to be a MS developer.

I have been with MS from then til Win 7 pro.

See my prior post. #15 or so.

I am NOT going to stay with the MS track any longer.

I didn’t leave MS, MS has left me.


23 posted on 11/19/2012 5:11:06 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: isthisnickcool

“Windows 8 will go down as Microsoft’s biggest mistake of all time. Worse than the OS BOB.”

They were getting there with Windows 7 but then they just threw it all away.


24 posted on 11/19/2012 5:11:34 PM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: Blueflag

Man, it’s like you’ve been reading my mind! You nailed it.


25 posted on 11/19/2012 5:11:39 PM PST by tje
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To: Blueflag

New Win8 boxes should come with a free downgrade to Win7!

They would sell better that way :-)


26 posted on 11/19/2012 5:12:37 PM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: tje

“That’s exactly it. That Metro UI is crap on a desktop, but makes sense on a tablet or a phone. I think if they gave desktop users the ability to blow off Metro, it’d be okay. “

Not exactly a smashing success on phones, either.


27 posted on 11/19/2012 5:13:05 PM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

The AI article was based on this article: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-8-sales-well-below-projections-plenty-blame-go-around

It’s a ‘Windows SuperSite’, whatever that is...


28 posted on 11/19/2012 5:13:29 PM PST by tje
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To: Zhang Fei

After getting used to the interface, I kinda like it. Don’t see a reason to upgrade it though. I really wish it was bundled with office though.


29 posted on 11/19/2012 5:14:45 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: tje

Ballmer is a jackass.

I have always been a Windows user, and before that a DOS user. Apple is too damned expensive, and actually more monopolistic than MS, since they refuse to let anyone else make the hardware.

I’m holding off on Windows 8, in hopes that they, or the computer makers who work with them, will come up with a usable system for laptops. I use a keyboard and mouse, and have NO DESIRE to use touchscreen. None.

Evidently there are added programs that can bring it back toward the old desktop, but I don’t know how much they slow down or complicate the operating system. So I’ll just wait until I hear that they have a decent desktop system in place and all the bugs ironed out, and hope that my Windows 7 doesn’t give up the ghost before that happens.

I understand that they want to be competitive with iPhone and other small touchscreen devices; but not at the expense of wrecking their computer business, I trust.


30 posted on 11/19/2012 5:15:06 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Erik Latranyi

You make my point for me.

On a tablet - A MOBILE DEVICE - I want a mobile device OS.

iOS and Android are very well-suited for a range of mobile devices.

Win8 is a force-fit of an old idea onto a new form factor, and a new way of ‘computing’.

AND I have tried to use a new windows phone. Not going there. Not everyone is an aimless 22 year old. some of us have to work.

MS is the next RIM. Then next Wang. The next NDC.

Done. Put a fork in them. It’s only a matter of time now.

At least my upgrade to Win 8 only cost my $38.

It’s gone by 7 PM NEXT Saturday.


31 posted on 11/19/2012 5:16:10 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Oberon

“I recommend a good stable Linux install for you. Ubuntu, maybe.”

hmm I’ll just stick with Win 7.


32 posted on 11/19/2012 5:17:31 PM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; ShadowAce; martin_fierro; Swordmaker

Thanks tje.
Paul Thurott of Supersite for Windows said... Microsoft doesn't believe sales have been affected by the software itself. Instead, the thinking in Redmond, Wash., is said to be that PC makers have offered "lackluster" designs...
Sounds like an Obama voter.


33 posted on 11/19/2012 5:24:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
I hate Microsoft windows, it always crashes, lockups, malfunctions but I will still use it because it beats the alternative of owning an Apple which is gey.

Most people use Windows because it's cheaper and has more applications available. I know people whose only knowledge about Windows PC's is limited to the power button and the location of their favorite apps on the start menu. Their PC's don't crash. What I've found consistently is that people who experience crashes don't have a current subscription for anti-virus software and have been infected.

Macs crash less because the upgrade cycle involves buying a new computer and reinstalling everything. Windows lets you upgrade the OS on an existing computer while leaving the existing apps installed. While that's convenient, it leads to a lot of subtle incompatibilities that cause crashes.

34 posted on 11/19/2012 5:25:32 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tje

Bambi’s fault. Straight up!


35 posted on 11/19/2012 5:28:22 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: steve86

Windows 8?

John Dvorak, an long time industry analyst and commentator gave W8 a bad review.

I’m shopping for a new desktop PC.

I have a 4 yr old ZT Systems (via big box store Costco) desktop PC with Windows Vista. Vista was “ok” but not as good as Windows XP. So I upgraded to Windows 7 which is ok except Windows Explorer does not always find files that I actually do have.

So I contacted ZT Systems and asked if I could order a PC with W7. The ZT Systems sales rep said no, that all new PC’s came with W8. No option for W7, etc.

So they lost a sale because I went to Best Buy (W8 or nothing there). I tried a couple W8 desktops, one a touch screen and one not. I did not like W8.

I am a professional programmer and could figure W8 out and work with it, but using W8 was like wearing ill-fitting clothes. Not really satisfying, but rather a little annoying.

W8 makes Windows Vista seem good by comparison.

Instead we are going to have a custom desktop built with either XP or W7.

Windows 8 seems a good choice for a Tablet, but a poor choice for a desktop.

I think W8 is Microsoft’s idea of a “one size fits all” OS.

W8 sales are probably as good as they are because Microsoft is shoving W8 down everyone’s throat and denying a W7 option.


36 posted on 11/19/2012 5:31:17 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: ari-freedom
Not exactly a smashing success on phones, either.

Getting mindshare on any new consumer product takes time. The original iphone took 5 quarters to sell 6.1m units. We're only midway through the 3rd quarter of the Nokia Lumia's introduction. As the consumer becomes more aware that a new generation of Windows phones has arrived, we'll see how it performs against Google and Apple.

37 posted on 11/19/2012 5:31:45 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tje

I’ve tried Windows 8.
Avoid, avoid! It may be swell for tablets but on a laptop it’s annoying. You can’t find invisible icons...must rightclick and see what if anything happens...the classic start menu is gone and you need to dl “classic shell” or some other program to replace it — windows offers no option.
Bunch of colored squares you don’t need on the new “Start” and though you can weed them out (they’re apps), the start up screen is them, not your desktop. You can’t have desktop appear automatically on startup. Logging out is found when you click on your icon. You just want to escape and apparently there’s no single click for that!
The control panel is hard to find too, and if you search in the wrong place, it says it can’t find the darn thing.
You’ll be tearing down and building your computer experience for a long time, trying to get it as comprehensible as Windows 7.
Do yourself a favor and stick to 7.


38 posted on 11/19/2012 5:32:23 PM PST by HomeAtLast
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To: isthisnickcool

Ironically, I received two solicitations for Windows 8 tonight. Someone must have gotten a kick in the butt to
sell the stuff.


39 posted on 11/19/2012 5:36:39 PM PST by Average Al
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To: tje

Not sure “Apple Insider” is an objective reporter here but, from what I gather, Windows 8 is for people who want their computer to have the same template as their smart phones. I’d rather have my computer function like a computer so I’m happy to stick with 7 and happy that 8 isn’t taking off.


40 posted on 11/19/2012 5:41:24 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I have upgraded the OS on my MacBook Pro from Snow Leopard tomLion to Moutain Lion and never had to reinstall an app or user data. Because Apple makes the entire solution, there are fewer issues...


41 posted on 11/19/2012 5:42:23 PM PST by ace2u_in_MD (You missed something...)
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To: tje
Hey, Microshaft: one word: UEFI
42 posted on 11/19/2012 5:42:53 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: OldArmy52

How much longer is MS going to provide security support for XP? Our it guys are no longer re-imaging failed laptops with XP, they put W7 on them...


43 posted on 11/19/2012 5:46:21 PM PST by ace2u_in_MD (You missed something...)
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To: tje

I’ve no reason to switch from 7 to anything else.

I don’t have a touchscreen or any sort of smart phone or mobile device that would require those tiles, so I can’t see any reason to buy that.

The only part of my pc I bring with me when I’m not at it is my play list, and that goes on i-pod, so microsoft, dunno what to tell you.


44 posted on 11/19/2012 5:48:45 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
it beats the alternative of owning an Apple which is get

Spelling "gay" as "gey" is "gay". So you must be "gay".

45 posted on 11/19/2012 5:49:46 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Zhang Fei

Depends on how many years ago... Pre OS-X?

I am getting hints that the Mac / IOS will be unified in another revision or 2, coupled with a radical UI pdate. Apple sent Scott Forrestal packing and infield hardware and User Interface design under Jony Ivey.


46 posted on 11/19/2012 5:51:44 PM PST by ace2u_in_MD (You missed something...)
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To: isthisnickcool
Windows 8 is the best thing that has ever happened to Apple and Linux that I can recall.

That explains the big jump in Apple's stock price.

47 posted on 11/19/2012 5:54:07 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tje

If Microsoft had been smart, they’d have pulled out XP and marketed it as Windows 8.


48 posted on 11/19/2012 5:55:21 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: tacticalogic
That explains the big jump in Apple's stock price.

I thought that their stock price had fallen recently. Good time to buy IMO.

49 posted on 11/19/2012 6:00:26 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: tje

I don’t think Microsoft realizes the market is changing - specifically, their market share is changing. They need something new, away from Windows; otherwise, they’ll be irrelevant or extinct in ten years....


50 posted on 11/19/2012 6:00:26 PM PST by IFly4Him
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