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"Doctor Zhivago" on TCM Tonight, 8PM E.S.T.
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Posted on 11/19/2012 4:49:17 PM PST by ReformationFan

For those interested, Turner Classic Movies will air "Doctor Zhivago" tonight starting at 8PM E.S.T.. While I don't approve of the adultery of the film's hero, it is one of the few times when Hollywood produced a huge epic showing how awful life under Soviet totalitarian communism truly was. For that reason alone it's worth seeing at least once. Tom Courtnenay's youthfully idealistic Pasha provides a great example of a liberal who gets power then proceeds to torment everyone else for the "common good." The scene where Zhivago returns to his wife and family after World War I only to find his home confiscated in the name of "fairness" is also quite effective. Special kudos to Rod Steiger for his great performance as the opportunistic Komorovsky, my favorite performance in the film.


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1 posted on 11/19/2012 4:49:25 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

This movie should be required viewing for every High School student in America.


2 posted on 11/19/2012 4:52:19 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. ItClimate change! is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: ReformationFan

It’s 72 hours long./s


3 posted on 11/19/2012 4:52:25 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: ReformationFan

Thanks for the heads up. I agree; excellent film.


4 posted on 11/19/2012 4:53:32 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Dallas59

It like the old joke about Eisenstein movies...you pay the kid’s price if you’re still 12 when the movie’s over.


5 posted on 11/19/2012 4:56:07 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: ReformationFan

“Your attitude’s been noticed, you know. Oh, yes, it’s been noticed.”


6 posted on 11/19/2012 4:57:06 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: ReformationFan

I remember watching this film when I was 11 years old at the base theater in Yokosuka, Japan. Matinee show, and there was a crawl message across the top of the screen saying RFK had been shot.

I watched it again for the first time just a couple of months ago, and was very engaged by the film.


7 posted on 11/19/2012 4:57:50 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: ReformationFan

The absolute best channel on all of TV, followed by the Cartoon Network.


8 posted on 11/19/2012 4:59:00 PM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: ReformationFan

I saw this movie as a young girl and loved it. It is one of the reasons I am a republican, especially the end of the movie and what happened to their daughter. I never wanted that for myself. Sadly we are headed that way.


9 posted on 11/19/2012 4:59:19 PM PST by jonsie
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To: ReformationFan

Thanks for the heads up. I must have seen it five or six times over the years. Beautiful photography, a wonderful score and, of course, Julie Christie as Lara. I fell in love with her.


10 posted on 11/19/2012 5:02:45 PM PST by bushbuddy
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To: ReformationFan

The remake with Keira Knightley is also good IMO.


11 posted on 11/19/2012 5:07:48 PM PST by what's up
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To: BenLurkin

Thanks for the heads up!!! Watching it, now, with my teen who is a war history buff.


12 posted on 11/19/2012 5:11:32 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: ReformationFan

I saw this for the first time, this year, it is a great film.


13 posted on 11/19/2012 5:15:24 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ReformationFan

Great movie. The music all by itself makes this one of the best. It was my mothers favorite film.


14 posted on 11/19/2012 5:15:30 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: ReformationFan
Strelnikov!
15 posted on 11/19/2012 5:21:04 PM PST by Shqipo (I am AttackWatch parolee #1,237. I am breaking my parole once more.)
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To: Shqipo

I do believe Lara was 17 years old when she was banging the fella who Steiger played. Another beautiful blond being used.


16 posted on 11/19/2012 5:25:51 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: jonsie

It was interesting. As a kid, there were only three things I remember from that movie: the students getting shot in the field of tall grass trying to fight, and that the movie was too long.

And, of course, “Lara’s Theme”. (My mom hummed it a lot, as I recall...:)

For years, when I thought of movies that were too long for no reason, I always thought of that one. After all, “The Ten Commandments” was long, but it had meaning to me.

When I saw the movie recently, I wished it had been even longer, it appealed to me that much.

I think it was learning about the Soviet Union since then, and being tuned into things I just had no idea about at the age of 11.

Reading “The Gulag Archipelago”, “1984” and simply learning more about what happened leading up to and since the Russian Revolution made me view totalitarianism in a more interested and inquisitive way. It makes you understand in your gut what an evil ideology Communism is, and how terrible total government control is when placed in the hands of malevolent people.

Another movie that really drives the point home well is “The Lives of Others”. A fascinating and frightening movie about the conduct of people living in a society where the government has an ear and an eye everywhere, and everyone knows it. The things that people have to do to avoid an interrogator’s room or survive, and what they will do to others in order to do that.


17 posted on 11/19/2012 5:27:38 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: ReformationFan

What’s the cinematic point of showing the mother in the coffin as she is having dirt put on her?


18 posted on 11/19/2012 5:28:44 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (the mature Christian is almost impossible to offend)
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To: Shqipo

Indeed. Strelnikov would be seen as a “hero” to current day leftists.


19 posted on 11/19/2012 5:31:00 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: BenLurkin

I completely agree. Sadly, most of today’s teachers would probably hate it for not showing communism to be the care-free glorious utopia it never was and never could be though it sure doesn’t stop the lefties from trying over and over again.


20 posted on 11/19/2012 5:33:09 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: jonsie

Indeed we are headed that way and for that I tremble.


21 posted on 11/19/2012 5:34:15 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: InvisibleChurch

Good question. I’m not sure though. Perhaps to emphasize Yuri the boy being all alone in the world now that his mother is gone? Although he does have the Gromekos.


22 posted on 11/19/2012 5:35:55 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

I liked the part where he could talk to the animals......what?.......really?........never mind.


23 posted on 11/19/2012 5:38:34 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ReformationFan

I get cold watching the movie.


24 posted on 11/19/2012 5:42:38 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ReformationFan

One of the greater messages was done only with dialogue, which I think lessened the message. Strelnikov was killed trying to return to Lara. The socialist man could not overcome his human feelings. That’s why socialism and communism always fail.


25 posted on 11/19/2012 5:44:16 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: fatnotlazy

My all time favorite movie


26 posted on 11/19/2012 5:45:01 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: InvisibleChurch
What’s the cinematic point of showing the mother in the coffin as she is having dirt put on her?

It's Yuri Zhivago's perspective of what's going on. He's a little boy as it is happening, all he knows is that his mother is in a box and going into the ground.

27 posted on 11/19/2012 5:47:40 PM PST by HomeAtLast
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To: central_va

I saw it when I was about twenty. I remember most vividly Zhivago being out in the freezing weather, even his moustache frozen; then going into Lara’s apartment where there were dried yellow and gold flowers everywhere. It looked so warm; she wasn’t there, but the apartment was bright. I’ve used dried yellow and gold dried flowers in our house often since then.


28 posted on 11/19/2012 5:59:32 PM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: bushbuddy

Indeed although I’ve always had a soft spot for the under-appreciated Tonya(played by Geraldine Chaplin). Lara is the film’s Ginger while Tonya is its Mary Ann IMHO.


29 posted on 11/19/2012 6:04:03 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: blueunicorn6

Indeed. Another good scene illustrating socialism/communism at work is when Zhivago’s father-in-law finds his country home has been confiscated by the government in the name of “the people”. “Well, I’m one of the people too!”.


30 posted on 11/19/2012 6:07:50 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: InvisibleChurch; ReformationFan; HomeAtLast
I don't know but I think it might have something to do with his sinful attraction to Lara? Like she reminded him of his mom or something? (Was it Julie Christie, or a likeness of her, lying in the coffin?)

(Looking like I'm pondering deeply and trying to look Freudian as a type this...)

31 posted on 11/19/2012 6:08:03 PM PST by OKSooner ("I will bless those who bless thee, and I will curse those who curse thee.")
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To: ReformationFan

I first saw “Dr Zhivago” at the Paramount Theater—now the El Capitan—in Hollywood on August 31, 1966.


32 posted on 11/19/2012 6:18:48 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: ReformationFan

Love the shot of the snow-bound dacha ...


33 posted on 11/19/2012 6:19:32 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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Which turned out to be rather hot in reality. Most of the film was shot in Spain and the snow was actually bees’ wax.


34 posted on 11/19/2012 6:21:00 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: OKSooner

I didn’t notice any resemblance to Miss Christie. I think it was just a random mannequin.


35 posted on 11/19/2012 6:22:48 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: blueunicorn6
"...The socialist man could not overcome his human feelings. That’s why socialism and communism always fail..."

Excellent, excellent observation. It sounds like a quote straight out of Whittaker Chambers' Witness

36 posted on 11/19/2012 6:23:24 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: dandiegirl
My all time favorite movie

Me, too. It's the greatest movie ever made. It isn't even close for second place. It always thrills me to hear someone else say it. And of course I don't mind when someone else has a different opinion; such is art and beauty.

David Lean is to film what Rembrandt was to painting -- and especially so in Zhivago.

I have seen some on here wish it could be shown to students. I taught high school for 30 years and showed it each semester to each section. So I have it memorized. Each time I saw it, I got something new and profound out of it.

My wife and I notice, again and again, that the longer we live, the more the movie has to say in commentary to almost every socio-political-economic situation that arises nowadays.

37 posted on 11/19/2012 6:46:32 PM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Migraine

That’s wondeful. What did your students think of the film and of communism after seeing it?


38 posted on 11/19/2012 6:54:36 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: rlmorel

That is one book I need to read. The films at the train ride to the Urals bit now. It reminds of the train I rode in the Ukraine in the 1990s, only slightly more advanced.


39 posted on 11/19/2012 7:04:49 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan
That’s wondeful. What did your students think of the film and of communism after seeing it?

70-80% of them really bought into the point of the film -- that communism makes tainted hash out of people's lives, and has an ice-cold, callous disregard toward the ruins.

A few had some admiration for Antipov/Strelnikov's idealism -- but not for his bipolar cruelty. And they unanimously despised the way they had taken away the last vestiges of earned success and luxury.

I had a dozen or so essay proposals of which the students were to write on two of them. One of them was to write a poem expressive of the film. That one was almost a universal favorite. Kids like to write poems if you let them.

I personally wrote a couple of poems each year, too.

40 posted on 11/19/2012 7:05:10 PM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: ReformationFan

IMHO the greatest movie ever made.


41 posted on 11/19/2012 7:07:07 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: ReformationFan

“There was living space for thirteen families! In this one house!”

“Yes, this is a better arrangement, comrades. More just.”


42 posted on 11/19/2012 7:12:22 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

As Maobama would say to the Gromeko family “You didn’t build that!”


43 posted on 11/19/2012 7:18:05 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

An absolutely fantastic experience!

In 1966, I was in a troubled three year old marriage, and the care and affection that Zhivago showed to the sparkling blue eyed Lara, brought tears to my eyes - (Why not me??).

The entire experience was riveting, fabulous photography, and the scene where Zhivago sees her on the street so many years later, only to call after her and die of a heart attack on the spot, was so traumatic.

The finest experience ever!


44 posted on 11/19/2012 7:39:32 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: what's up
The remake with Keira Knightley is also good IMO.

Yes it was. IMO it was closer to the original book.

45 posted on 11/19/2012 7:42:50 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Noob1999

Agree Noob. one of the best movies of all time. Omar Sharif’s eyes are imprinted in my soul forever! I hope you went on to recover from the marriage and find happiness in your life.

I didn’t see this til just now so missed it. darn.


46 posted on 11/19/2012 7:44:41 PM PST by Mountain Mary (Pray for our Republic...)
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To: Mountain Mary

...................I hope you went on to recover from the marriage and find happiness in your life............

Thank you very much. I’m on my third marriage now, of 30 years,and I’m estatically happy!


47 posted on 11/19/2012 7:49:19 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: YankeeReb

................The remake with Keira Knightley is also good IMO....................

Please, please tell me more! I never knew that there was a remake of Zhivago. When??, what was the title??

Can’t wait to see it!


48 posted on 11/19/2012 7:53:24 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: ReformationFan
Strel-bamni-kov!!


49 posted on 11/19/2012 7:58:28 PM PST by twister881
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To: ReformationFan
For as long as we have been enduring Obama and the harm and threat that he is to a free America, I have often had flashes of the movie in my mind - and most often it has been the scenes in which the beautiful and gracious private home was being taken over by the people. I have this exact feeling of loss as this administration dismantles the meaning and freedom of America.

A difference, though, is that the young communists in Russia were idealistic in thinking they were helping the country, and did not realize that they were destroying the country. The Obama administration knows exactly what it is doing, though.....and it WANTS to destroy the country.

50 posted on 11/19/2012 8:00:57 PM PST by Swede Girl
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