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The stuff between my ears | 11/21/2012 | Myself

Posted on 11/20/2012 2:42:39 PM PST by klimeckg

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To: klimeckg

It’s going to be Rubio next time. He has the charisma and he has the diversity that the Republican establishment wants to put forward. Whatever happens with repubs, the dems will likely one up the Repubs by putting both a black and Hispanic or, more likely, a woman and a Hispanic on their ticket. My prediction is that there will be Hispanics on both tickets. Demography is destiny.


51 posted on 11/20/2012 4:13:32 PM PST by 3Fingas
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To: klimeckg
Whew [where?] were the 6.6 million that didn’t vote?

Romney will end up with more votes than McCain. Those 6.6M missing voters are white voters who voted for Obama in 2008.

52 posted on 11/20/2012 4:15:58 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I’ve read enough of your rino pleadings to last me a life time, even now, after Romney’s embarrassing loss to Carter II, you make the same plea to be moderate, to avoid the conservative Palin, to support the ticket no matter who it is.

I dread to think of who you guys are going to come up with next time.


53 posted on 11/20/2012 4:18:04 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: 3Fingas

Just great! All we need is a Hispanic running on the Republican ticket and we have a win! What the hell are you thinking anyway! Either the Republican Party gets with the conservative issues or they and their party are gone anyway.

I’m so sick and tired of racial politics!!


54 posted on 11/20/2012 4:18:20 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: ansel12

And Reagan was once a Democrat and helped usher in the new age of no-fault divorce.

So, are we keeping score on past foibles now?

Santorum was miles more conservative than just about any of the other Republican candidates this year. He has been courageous enough to speak the truth about homosexuality in the face of the most vile homo-Nazi thugs.

That earns major points in my book.


55 posted on 11/20/2012 4:20:16 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: riri

You are right! I am also done with the Republican Party! These so called conservatives can go try their fake wares on other folks. They have nothing more to offer.


56 posted on 11/20/2012 4:20:59 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Ken H

Romney should have had 5 or 10 million more votes than McCain, against the second term of Carter.

McCain didn’t stand a chance against 2 terms of Bush, war exhaustion, history, recession, and the first black president, Romney couldn’t lose if they tried against Carter’s second term, yet they did, pathetically.


57 posted on 11/20/2012 4:26:57 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: klimeckg

We could do worse than Santorum. Can you say “Jebbie”?


58 posted on 11/20/2012 4:32:33 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, they must all be crazy out there!")
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To: fwdude

Yeah Captain Reagan last voted for a democrat president in the WWII era, he was California governor in the 1960s era, the pre-Carter, pre-Reagan revolution America, a revolution that Santorum backed the anti-Reagan rinos in.

You want to call Santorum being active in republican politics and despising Reagan and his conservatism decades later, what? What do you want to call that?

Why did you ignore the more relevant comparisons with his man Romney, and Santorum wanting to remove life from the party platform in 1996 when he wanted Spector to become president?


59 posted on 11/20/2012 4:32:40 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: klimeckg

In case anybody didn’t notice, Santorum wasn’t supported by the GOPe idiots. In fact they pulled a few stunts with the primary results to keep him from besting their boy early on. Also, he won states that actual GOP candidates would win in November.


60 posted on 11/20/2012 4:36:43 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: klimeckg

President Santorum? One might recall that after the 1960 election, pundits were talking up President Rockefeller. Similarly, it was President Lindsay in 1965, President Connally in 1977, and President Gramm in 1993.


61 posted on 11/20/2012 4:53:45 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: klimeckg

Here come the Newt Gingirch fans. Ah crap. Never going to be united. I’m not big on Newt.


62 posted on 11/20/2012 5:01:33 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Theodore R.

Yeah we could do worse than Santorum, John McCain and Mitt Romney for one.


63 posted on 11/20/2012 5:03:55 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Deagle

GOP is on the last legs. Allen West is the main guy I am listening to. Curious what he does now that he lost to fraud. He should man up and run in 2016 and tell all other conservative candidates to bow out pr not to run as he as things taken care of. But I am still unregistering as Republican to Unaffiliated or as it is also known as Independent.


64 posted on 11/20/2012 5:15:50 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t know and I don’t know who would be our strongest candidate and like I say, there are only two things I do know—that we must get serious about voter fraud and we must all hang together to defeat the Democrat after the primary is over.


65 posted on 11/20/2012 5:20:06 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Deagle
I agree with much of what you say but another party is not going to do it--it's not possible. You will still be relying on the exact same people unless you know where to go find new ones.

This is the problem I see on FR, there is a mindset that if Republicans will just do you you say, they will be assured victory. If only it were that simple--it isn't. It does no good to look at things through rose-colored glasses. Frankly, I would not want to follow many Freepers into battle if they were a general because they are far too emotional rather than looking at this problem logically to decide the best path to victory.

66 posted on 11/20/2012 5:24:48 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: 3Fingas

The Dems are going to be putting up a young Hispanic politician from San Antonio TX whose radical mother is a member of LaRaza.


67 posted on 11/20/2012 5:26:57 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: 3Fingas

Julian Castro, the San Antonio mayor.


68 posted on 11/20/2012 5:30:14 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: ansel12
WOW, it's flattering to think you think I have that kind of power but you are making a big mistake if you believe this. This is the problem I see here on FR. Stop feeling and start THINKING. Stop, and look at the situation realistically.

There is no virtue in deliberately losing. We have had too many who believed it's more virtuous to allow Obama to be reelected than to vote for Romney. I'll take Romney any day.

BTW, I've never made the plea to moderate and I've never said to avoid the "conservative Palin". You don't want to pay attention to what I said.

I have no clue where we go from here and with whom. I did say I fear Palin will not be a strong candidate but I also admit I am not any more sure she isn't than you're sure she is. If she is our best candidate, that's fine by me.

69 posted on 11/20/2012 5:30:26 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: 3Fingas
Julian Castro, the San Antonio mayor

...and he is an identical twin, so the dems can use that novelty to woo the Facebook crowd.

70 posted on 11/20/2012 5:33:48 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Well, I can only say that I used to believe as you do about the path to victory. You seem to be stuck on the obvious or at least the Republican path.

The only way out of this mess does seem to be another Revolution - unfortunately, not the nice kind. I agree with you somewhat but you are one of those that continue to think that things will change if you just wait long enough.

This is not about emotion - it is about the Constitution! It seems that way too may folks have forgotten about it or have decided to ignore it.

Really, not sure about the outcome but do see it as those that agree with our Constitution and those that don’t.

Am too old to realize or appreciate the outcome but I do hope that our young have the education and experience to overcome this government excess.


71 posted on 11/20/2012 5:42:26 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: fwdude

I would have voted for anyone of the Repub candidates, and the same outcome would be an Obama win. don’t ya get it, the Obama machine is living in the 21st century. Axlerod juked them, it was the ultimate con job. He had all of watching the hands. He knew he would win 50.6%.


72 posted on 11/20/2012 5:48:29 PM PST by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: Deagle

True, but still, we get nowhere if we don’t win elections. There is no virtue in losing. I want the most conservative, constitutional government I can get and if I get it incrementally, that’s better than losing it incrementally.


73 posted on 11/20/2012 5:49:17 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Deagle
I do hope that our young have the education and experience to overcome this government excess.

This is where reality enters the picture--they don't have the education or experience to overcome this government excess--they're dependent upon it.

74 posted on 11/20/2012 5:52:06 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I’ve given up on winning elections! If those winning have nothing to do with the values that we need - well, what do we win?

We have become so complacent to those that win that as long as they are our party, we are happy - what a joke! We no longer have any control over “our” party and it shows very well in Washington.

I’d suggest that that we have lost no matter who is elected! What do we do now?


75 posted on 11/20/2012 5:53:58 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Romney isn’t theory anymore, he is toast, you were wrong and we conservatives were right, the man has been a disaster for the GOP as he shaped two primaries.

Mitt lost an election that couldn’t be lost, but why not, the man is a political loser and always has been.

There is no “virtue” you in you losing just to run someone like Romney who doesn’t even belong in republican politics, much less being the presidential candidate.

Stop feeling and think, feelings is what led you to go to Massachusetts for your candidate, and caused you to lose to Carter’s second term.

The failed liberal governor of Massachusetts with 34% approval and non reelectable, was not the answer to anything republican, and much less conservative.


76 posted on 11/20/2012 5:54:41 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: dfwgator
Read My Lips, “No Retreads!”

Yep! I'm sick of these gutys who think they can wait in the wings until it's their turn. It might have worked for Reagan but it sure hasn't worked for Dole, McCain or Romney.

Another thing: If you haven't governed a state, don't even bother. You're not qualified.

77 posted on 11/20/2012 5:55:45 PM PST by Drew68
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To: ansel12

Yes, Romney was a liberal candidate for the Republican party and did not get the Conservative vote (not a shock to most of us).

The problem is that this will continue - even not, they blame the conservatives for the loss. They are blind and will never understand.


78 posted on 11/20/2012 5:58:08 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: ansel12
I did not support Romney at the caucus but once he became the nominee, I certainly was eager to support him against the most radical, corrupt president, ever.

We always must make the best choice and at that point, the best choice clearly was Romney.

You say I was wrong and you were right. I didn't see you winning the election.

I deal in reality and I'm saying I have no idea where we go from here except we must hang together after the primary and if Palin is the nominee, I will enthusiastically support her. All you have to do is get her the nomination and I will tell you categorically that she has the same chance here in Iowa as anyone else but she's not going to be able to play it coy until the very last minute. If she's going to get in, she needs to do it in a timely fashion.

79 posted on 11/20/2012 6:04:48 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

You bet...and guess who controls those uneducated young minds? If that does not change, we are lost.


80 posted on 11/20/2012 6:05:16 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Deagle

I am not saying that I agree with it. I am just saying that it will happen. I am not a big fan of racial/ethnic politics either.


81 posted on 11/20/2012 6:13:17 PM PST by 3Fingas
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To: Deagle

Couldn’t agree more—it looks hopeless unless we get our young people out of the public schools.


82 posted on 11/20/2012 6:13:57 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: piasa

Yeah, he is our village idiot. We would happily give him to somewhere else.


83 posted on 11/20/2012 6:16:55 PM PST by 3Fingas
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

“I have no clue where we go from here...”

The things that come to my mind are closed primaries and primary voting for every state on the SAME day. Lots of red states are discounted during the primaries. No offense to any early primary voting state..but I get a little tired of it.

As much as I hate that primary/presidential candidates feel compelled to go on popular tv programs (I’m a geezer that feels it demeans the position) we are going to have to move forward with the time. We need someone who reflects our position and can relay them in a popular medium.


84 posted on 11/20/2012 6:19:39 PM PST by berdie
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I didn’t see you win the election either, but I did see you pressing the rino line, and now only 2 weeks after your man was humiliated, you are already pushing the rino line again.

You have already started the process of speaking out against conservative possibilities, while reminding everyone to stay loyal to which ever rino your party nominates, just like the carcass you guys dragged in 2 weeks ago.


85 posted on 11/20/2012 6:20:38 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: berdie

Well, we have to work within the framework that currently exists.


86 posted on 11/20/2012 6:22:17 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

That framework can’t change?


87 posted on 11/20/2012 6:24:04 PM PST by berdie
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To: ansel12
You're being ridiculous. Where have I EVER pushed the RINO line? What RINO line? You could not be more wrong.

I think we are working toward the same goal, we disagree on strategy. Frankly, I don't see you have a strategy.

Name one conservative about which I have spoken out. You refuse to look at the facts.

88 posted on 11/20/2012 6:25:48 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: berdie

It will probably be pretty hard but it’s fine with me.


89 posted on 11/20/2012 6:27:10 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Absolutely not! We have to make dramatic changes! It will take many folks but it can be done.


90 posted on 11/20/2012 6:30:59 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Deagle

“Well, we have to work within the framework that currently exists.”

Talk about a non conservative reply...geez, Just what framework are you talking about - our losing voting framework or our GOP framework?

Really, not sure what you are talking about but almost nothing you can say could be true at this point but it would be nice for the party.

I think that you understand why the Republican lost...and it was not due to his Conservative views.


91 posted on 11/20/2012 6:42:09 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Why make me start over, just read what I already posted.

To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I’ve read enough of your rino pleadings to last me a life time, even now, after Romney’s embarrassing loss to Carter II, you make the same plea to be moderate, to avoid the conservative Palin, to support the ticket no matter who it is.

I dread to think of who you guys are going to come up with next time.

53 posted on Tue Nov 20 2012 16:18:04 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) by ansel12


92 posted on 11/20/2012 6:44:03 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

You’re NOT wrong!


93 posted on 11/20/2012 6:47:09 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Deagle

The Romney crowd never apologized or looked sheepish, not even for a day, they just went right back into the rino dance.

Romney was so far left, and so far outside of republican politics, and so hostile to conservatism, that I hope he hasn’t destroyed the party’s brand completely.


94 posted on 11/20/2012 6:59:16 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

Yes, they were the normal Republican party defense. They were wrong and are wrong in their analyses. I still hope that one day they will recognize that they are actually Conservatives...what a joke that would be on them!

Unfortunately, that is normal for the Republicans. We have NOT had a Conservative party for years. Even the Conservative candidates seem to hide their views when necessary for election...geez. So no, I have no hope or desire to change things - the election shows that most folks are ignorant and will vote for benefits. Therefore, we are doomed for the future.

Romney and his crowd - well, there were a very few Constitutionalists hanging in there but it won’t last unfortunately. We are on a downward spiral and it will not be pretty.


95 posted on 11/20/2012 7:08:58 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: ansel12

Unfortunately, our basic GOP media folks have already destroyed any conservative prospects of the party. Heck, I doubt that they even knew that a Conservative branch existed even though it was a majority block. They are stupid that way...

I expect another candidate that will get at least 30% of the vote if they spend a couple billion dollars. Not this time folks!

Actually, the Republicans have destroyed themselves long before this...


96 posted on 11/20/2012 7:17:07 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: klimeckg
Santorum will not earn us a single vote from tribal voters, and offers nothing to Independents. He is beloved by some Republicans but loathed by others. He is a big fish in a much-too-small pond, and that's all he ever will be. That is as obvious as obvious gets.

Out to pasture or under the bus, just so Santorum GOES.

97 posted on 11/20/2012 7:49:03 PM PST by TChad
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To: ansel12
Romney should have had 5 or 10 million more votes than McCain, against the second term of Carter.

So who were these missing 6.6M white voters, why did they leave Obama, and why didn't they vote gop? That should at least be looked into, right?

98 posted on 11/20/2012 9:03:06 PM PST by Ken H
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To: skeeter

Rick Santorium is a dirt bag of the worst king Perry Sanarea and Gingrich should be thrown out of the GOP they contributed nothing as did there followers did nothing also never even came out to vote time to clean out the whole damn house of RINOS


99 posted on 11/20/2012 9:11:14 PM PST by straps (Ex-Pan Amer)
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To: Ken H

Heck, Romney is not a guy that people vote for, people don’t like or trust Mitt.


100 posted on 11/20/2012 9:18:04 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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