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2012 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX PETROBRAS DO BRASIL - LIVE THREAD
Chode ^ | 11/22/2012 | Chode

Posted on 11/22/2012 7:37:11 PM PST by Chode

Formula 1 São Paulo 2012

Race Date: 25 Nov 2012

Circuit Name: Autodromo Jose Carlos Pace

First Grand Prix: 1973

Number of Laps: 71
Circuit Length: 4.309 km
Race Distance: 305.909 km
Lap Record: 1:11.473 - JP Montoya (2004)

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Sat Sunny 33C

Sun Sunny 20C



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KEYWORDS: f1; formulaone; grandprix
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1 posted on 11/22/2012 7:37:21 PM PST by Chode
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UP...!!!

2 posted on 11/22/2012 7:38:21 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Championship going down to the last week. Awesome season.


3 posted on 11/23/2012 6:08:21 AM PST by mykroar (BAD-ANON: One Game At A Time)
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To: mykroar

yup, doesn’t get much better than this...
FP#1
Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:14.131 33
2 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:14.140 0.009 35
3 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:14.198 0.067 34
4 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:14.217 0.086 31
5 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:14.392 0.261 28
6 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:14.716 0.585 29
7 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:14.719 0.588 33
8 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:14.738 0.607 34
9 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:15.015 0.884 37
10 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:15.050 0.919 32
11 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:15.114 0.983 36
12 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:15.255 1.124 31
13 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:15.396 1.265 32
14 19 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1:15.413 1.282 23
15 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:15.587 1.456 35
16 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:15.701 1.570 16
17 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:16.048 1.917 35
18 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:16.315 2.184 36
19 20 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1:16.460 2.329 32
20 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1:16.506 2.375 31
21 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1:16.617 2.486 30
22 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1:17.234 3.103 26
23 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1:17.678 3.547 15
24 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1:17.895 3.764 13
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4 posted on 11/23/2012 6:31:15 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mykroar; Chode

I’ll second that; it has been one of the better seasons. The more race winners, the better. Except the one by that idiot, Maldonado.


5 posted on 11/23/2012 7:55:10 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: henkster
i heard that... something NOT to be repeated again anywhere in the near future
6 posted on 11/23/2012 8:26:23 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: henkster

Pastor, like Milk Duds and Viso is Hugo’s boy, right?


7 posted on 11/23/2012 8:32:09 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Chode

2nd Practice

Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:14.026 35
2 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:14.300 0.274 40
3 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:14.523 0.497 37
4 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:14.553 0.527 37
5 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:14.592 0.566 37
6 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:14.654 0.628 36
7 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:14.669 0.643 40
8 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:14.863 0.837 40
9 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:14.994 0.968 37
10 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:15.129 1.103 39
11 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:15.131 1.105 40
12 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:15.371 1.345 39
13 19 Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1:15.432 1.406 45
14 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:15.542 1.516 35
15 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:15.839 1.813 43
16 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:15.902 1.876 39
17 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:15.953 1.927 47
18 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:16.048 2.022 40
19 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1:16.126 2.100 39
20 20 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1:16.655 2.629 42
21 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1:17.244 3.218 15
22 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1:17.675 3.649 42
23 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1:18.127 4.101 31
24 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1:18.139 4.113 15


8 posted on 11/23/2012 10:05:04 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: nascarnation

Yep. And I was once a big Williams fan.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 11:39:29 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Chode

down to the wire... good luck to all

FORMULA 1 GRANDE PRÊMIO PETROBRAS DO BRASIL 2012
Pos No Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3 Laps
1 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:15.075 1:13.398 1:12.458 21
2 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:15.456 1:13.515 1:12.513 20
3 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:16.180 1:13.667 1:12.581 22
4 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:15.644 1:13.209 1:12.760 19
5 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:16.263 1:14.048 1:12.987 25
6 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:16.266 1:13.698 1:13.174 24
7 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:15.536 1:13.704 1:13.206
8 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:16.097 1:13.856 1:13.253
9 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:16.432 1:13.698 1:13.298
10 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:15.929 1:13.848 1:13.489
11 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:15.901 1:14.121
12 19 Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1:15.333 1:14.219
13 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:15.974 1:14.234
14 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:16.005 1:14.334
15 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:16.400 1:14.380
16 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:16.744 1:14.574
17 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:16.722 1:14.619
18 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:16.967
19 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1:17.073
20 20 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1:17.086
21 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1:17.508
22 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1:18.104
23 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1:19.576
24 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1:19.699
Q1 107% Time 1:20.330


10 posted on 11/24/2012 9:22:46 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
did I hear that Michael will start on full wets and a rain set up?

Ross Braun the chess master

that might be an interesting start

I'd rather not see his last race be unremarkable he deserves better than he has been treated by Ferrari and Mercedes

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11 posted on 11/24/2012 3:51:01 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
all i could find said full wet set-up but didn't mention tires...

Michael Schumacher revealed that he had set his car up for a wet race ahead of qualifying for the Brazilian Grand Prix.

In a dry qualifying session, Schumacher could only secure 13th place on the grid as he dropped out in Q2. Ahead of the final race of his career, Schumacher admitted he had been disappointed by the pace shown in FP3 so decided to switch his main focus to Sunday with a rain-affected grand prix expected.

http://en.espnf1.com/brazil/motorsport/story/96225.html

12 posted on 11/24/2012 5:13:49 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Elle Bee

The car was set up for the wet but he had dry tires. You have until 3 minutes before the start or the race to choose wet or dry tires.


13 posted on 11/25/2012 5:44:19 AM PST by darthxenu (Give peace a chance - end jihad now.)
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To: Chode

Great Race, Great Season... congrats to Seb on the ThreePete

FORMULA 1 GRANDE PRÊMIO PETROBRAS DO BRASIL 2012
Provisional Results
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 71 Winner 2 25
2 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 71 +2.7 secs 7 18
3 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 71 +3.6 secs 5 15
4 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 71 +4.9 secs 3 12
5 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 71 +5.7 secs 6 10
6 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 71 +9.4 secs 4 8
7 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 71 +11.9 secs 13 6
8 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 71 +28.6 secs 17 4
9 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 71 +31.2 secs 14 2
10 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 70 +1 Lap 8 1
11 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 70 +1 Lap 19
12 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 70 +1 Lap 22
13 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 70 +1 Lap 15
14 20 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 70 +1 Lap 20
15 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 70 +1 Lap 9
16 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 70 +1 Lap 21
17 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 69 +2 Laps 24
18 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 69 +2 Laps 23
19 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 68 +3 Laps 10
Ret 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 54 Accident 1
Ret 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 5 Accident 18
Ret 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1 +70 Laps 16
Ret 19 Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 0 Accident 11
Ret 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 0 Accident 12

Pos Driver Nationality Team Points
1 Sebastian Vettel German Red Bull Racing-Renault 281
2 Fernando Alonso Spanish Ferrari 278
3 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish Lotus-Renault 207
4 Lewis Hamilton British McLaren-Mercedes 190
5 Jenson Button British McLaren-Mercedes 188
6 Mark Webber Australian Red Bull Racing-Renault 179
7 Felipe Massa Brazilian Ferrari 122
8 Romain Grosjean French Lotus-Renault 96
9 Nico Rosberg German Mercedes 93
10 Sergio Perez Mexican Sauber-Ferrari 66
11 Nico Hulkenberg German Force India-Mercedes 63
12 Kamui Kobayashi Japanese Sauber-Ferrari 60
13 Michael Schumacher German Mercedes 49
14 Paul di Resta British Force India-Mercedes 46
15 Pastor Maldonado Venezuelan Williams-Renault 45
16 Bruno Senna Brazilian Williams-Renault 31
17 Jean-Eric Vergne French STR-Ferrari 16
18 Daniel Ricciardo Australian STR-Ferrari 10
19 Vitaly Petrov Russian Caterham-Renault 0
20 Timo Glock German Marussia-Cosworth 0
21 Charles Pic French Marussia-Cosworth 0
22 Heikki Kovalainen Finnish Caterham-Renault 0
23 Jerome D’Ambrosio Belgian Lotus-Renault 0
24 Narain Karthikeyan Indian HRT-Cosworth 0
25 Pedro de la Rosa Spanish HRT-Cosworth 0

Pos Team Points
1 Red Bull Racing-Renault 460
2 Ferrari 400
3 McLaren-Mercedes 378
4 Lotus-Renault 303
5 Mercedes 142
6 Sauber-Ferrari 126
7 Force India-Mercedes 109
8 Williams-Renault 76
9 STR-Ferrari 26
10 Caterham-Renault 0
11 Marussia-Cosworth 0
12 HRT-Cosworth 0


14 posted on 11/25/2012 10:38:17 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: darthxenu
ya want on da list???
15 posted on 11/25/2012 10:41:04 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Just. Damn. What a race. Almost wished I’d had some nitroglycerin pills. What a heart-stopper.


16 posted on 11/25/2012 11:53:28 AM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Moltke
i heard that! i was a little concerned for Seb with the passing thing till i heard Martin Brundle say it was a Red/Yellow for slippery track...
17 posted on 11/25/2012 12:26:50 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Moltke
Very exciting race. The top drivers went all out and it was interesting from start to finish. Too bad Vettel got spun early on, I would've liked to see Vettel and Alonso dice it out together, especially in the rain.

I thought it quite..... ummm, "dumb" of RB to have Vettel pit for more drys (and it was the hard compound, too!), then make him pit again for intermediates a few laps later. But, what they hey, I'm not racing team management.

Alonso stayed out on his medium tires and they were pretty shot, too, but at least he stayed out. Bringing Vettel in put him way back. Considering the crashes and spins, it's a miracle (for Vettel) that nothing happened to Button, which would have, possibly, given the win to Alonso, and the championship.

Well, another season in the record books. It's too bad Bob Varsha is staying with SPEED while Steve and David are going to NBC for F1. I liked Bob's excitable commentary, and I think the three of them made a good team. I wonder who, if anyone, will replace him? I can't think of anyone currently at NBC that I could stomach!

18 posted on 11/25/2012 12:35:41 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Chode

Post race commentary showed it was a little more complicated than that.

Yes, the red/yellow FLAG was shown at one point with a yellow LIGHT just beyond. And then there was the all-clear green light as they went up the hill, and THEN yellow lights again (for whatever reason) as they went over the crest as Vettel did his pass...they said Perez went into the pits anyway, but it didn’t look like that was even possible from his track position. Hmmm.

Man, if this ends up at the green table and the result gets nixed I just might be done with F1 for a while.


19 posted on 11/25/2012 1:06:48 PM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: jeffc

Vettel’s radio went “one-way” (he could hear the team but they couldn’t hear him) before the second stop.

First stop, RB just covered what Ferrari did - and the hard tires were said to be actually better under the damp conditions.

Second stop, when Vettel came in for the inters, the team was clearly not ready for him, i.e. that was Vettel’s own decision. Stop took, what, 15-20 secs? They had to drag the tires out still their warming blankets!

That’s the way I recall things right now. Will watch the race again in hi-rez (watched the live feed streaming at comparatively low rez) when the d/l finishes...


20 posted on 11/25/2012 1:29:15 PM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Moltke
at least Ferrari hasn't protested, YET... and i've looked but haven't found anything
21 posted on 11/25/2012 1:29:32 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Yeah, from post race statements by Ferrari it didn’t sound like they were going to protest. Hope they’re “man enough” to stick by that.

Correction to my previous post: That would’ve been Kobayashi Vettel passed, not Perez (who didn’t make it through the first lap).


22 posted on 11/25/2012 1:40:54 PM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Chode

Nice that Petrov drove Caterham into 10th in the Constructors. Too bad he did not score a point. For Caterham it would have been almost like winning a race.


23 posted on 11/25/2012 2:15:24 PM PST by jps098
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To: darthxenu
did I hear today that NBC will be covering the GP net year?

Bob Varsha(sp) stays at SPEED and the other three go to NBC

NBC will likely broadcast and edited 1 hour version delayed on race day ... Qualifiying and practice are likely no longer broadcast

what a shame

.

24 posted on 11/25/2012 2:33:03 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Chode
oops I ment # 24 for you

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25 posted on 11/25/2012 2:57:21 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
unfortunately, you're prolly not too far off the mark...
26 posted on 11/25/2012 4:00:18 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: jps098
ain't that the truth...
27 posted on 11/25/2012 4:08:47 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Elle Bee; Chode
did I hear today that NBC will be covering the GP net year?

I suspect that NBC will utilize their NBC Sports Channel, which is a relative newcomer to the cable spectrum. They've only been on my channel lineup since the end of the summer (with Post-Olympic coverage). But they've already carried major college basketball games (albeit in addition to hunting shows, and the like, sigh.)

I am hoping they'll be hungry and build out the non-NASCAR racing series. In fact, yesterday they had a (yes, edited and taped) Viper Cup series race from Virginia Intl. Color me optimistic and even have been hoping for them to sign onto WRC coverage next season. They have a real opportunity to brand themselves at this point.

28 posted on 11/26/2012 9:28:40 AM PST by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar)
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To: GreenAccord
Yes. Buried at the SPEED website is a story about NBCS (220 on DirecTV) taking over F1 coverage starting next season. I look at this move with some trepidation. The NBCS website is full of team-type sports and very little racing. Granted, SPEED is full of NASCAR and car auctions, but I feel we are going to be a little disappointed in next season's F1 coverage. I just don't think NBCS knows enough about the sport to do it justice, but we will see.

IMO, SPEED could do a better job of covering racing, you know, being the kind of network/channel that they claim to be. I see little coverage of Aussie Super V8s, and have yet to see the New Zealand Super Tourer V8s, which I like better. More GP2 and LMS/ALMS (not just LE Mans and Mid-Ohio, etc).

And what has happened to Indycar? I remember back in '91, '92, etc. Indycar (known as CART then) was big. Almost every race was shown on TV. But now? Whither goest, Indycar? It seems interest in the sport died off with CART, except for the Indy 500. At least it did for me.

29 posted on 11/26/2012 1:36:20 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: GreenAccord
hope yer right, but not holding my breath...
30 posted on 11/26/2012 5:37:17 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: jeffc

Ah, CART, in the halcyon days of Emerson and a post-F1 Nigel and Rahal and Tracy. I saw a few Mid-Ohio late summer events, being awoken in our tent just 50 feet from the main back straight as the first practice lappers blasted by at 150+.

The split really wrecked the sport, and while money is money, and power and influence are always sought by the powers that (want to) be, it chased me off too. I actually became interested in F1 during those early 90’s and it effectively replaced any interest in Champ Car.

Maybe NBC will put extra effort into it now that the Austin event went off as such a HUGE success. Anyway, here’s hoping.


31 posted on 11/26/2012 6:50:34 PM PST by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar)
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To: jeffc
Actually most of the Indycar races are on NBCSports which was called Versus until this year.

Except for the Indy 500 on ABC and a couple others on ESPN.

One of the problems with NBCSports is that it has a relatively small number of cable systems carrying it. Like everybody else they want to be ESPN someday when they grow up but competition is fierce.

32 posted on 11/26/2012 7:00:59 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation
Ahhhhh!! I remember Versus (now, LOL!).

I'm not too interested in Indycar anymore since CART folded. I kinda' prefer the F1 style, with constructors and drivers battling it out. Feeder series should be one car, one engine, to more easily compare the drivers. But the pros? Well, some guys like building the cars, others like to race them.

Plus, I'm not a fan of ovals. But it does seem like Indycar is doing more road courses now.

33 posted on 11/26/2012 7:35:39 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Chode; al_c; atc23; Bad~Rodeo; Betis70; biff; bobby.223; bobt7818; BreezyDog; brf1; briankk; ...
here it comes... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638

Formula 1: Ferrari consider Sebastian Vettel protest

Ferrari want to establish whether there is enough evidence to lodge a protest that, if successful, could overturn the result of the Formula 1 world championship.

They are "evaluating footage" that appears to show Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel making an illegal overtaking move in Sunday's Brazilian Grand Prix.

Spain's Fernando Alonso lost the title by three points to his German rival.

But Vettel could lose four points if he is deemed to have broken the rules.

Formula 1's governing body, the FIA, has so far refused to confirm that it is investigating the incident.

There is no word either from Vettel's Red Bull team, who could not be contacted for a comment.

34 posted on 11/28/2012 4:43:17 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

...if it isn’t called during the race....


35 posted on 11/28/2012 4:58:06 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Chode

Even if they are 100% correct, I’m not sure Ferrari has the political F1 ‘juice’ any longer to make this fly. I might be way wrong on that but the entire thing will be interesting to say the least.


36 posted on 11/28/2012 5:05:34 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: Doogle; bobby.223
yup, but ya just knew it was coming...
37 posted on 11/28/2012 5:08:12 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

The Ferraristas should shut up, deal with 2012, release Alonso and toss an offer over to Seb.

And I really, really like Alonso. But Vettel needs to be in a red car.

One of my greatest regrets in this life is that I never got to see Senna drive one.


38 posted on 11/28/2012 6:20:07 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: Chode

Guess we get an extended F1 season!


39 posted on 11/28/2012 6:54:32 PM PST by Lockbox
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To: West Texas Chuck
yup, the Prancing Horse is like a drug... even when they aren't competitive drivers still would kill to drive for them, maybe even Seb

and they were lucky this year in that Lew and McLaren stepped on their own tails every chance they got or they wouldn't even be second, but that's racing

40 posted on 11/28/2012 7:04:21 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Lockbox
could get ugly...
41 posted on 11/28/2012 7:11:30 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Considering how much money is on the line I don’t blame Ferrari for trying. But it was investigated during the race and the Stewards made the call. I can’t imagine Charlie Whiting would be too keen on being overturned.


42 posted on 11/28/2012 8:02:48 PM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: henkster
like bobby.223 said, i'm not sure they have the juice anymore...
43 posted on 11/28/2012 8:15:33 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
it did look like a yellow light to me .... I heard something about the yellow light was on because of slippery conditions and wasn't therefore a yellow yellow light for an accident or debris on the track

is that like the distinction between rape and rape rape?

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44 posted on 11/29/2012 5:03:35 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
good question... then there's the case of the flagman waving a green flag, that will come into play also
45 posted on 11/29/2012 5:07:36 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

You would think with all their technical telemetry wizardry that their timing & scoring would be able to show the location of the cars on the track when a caution is declared, and therefore whether or not a position change occurred in a caution sector. But hey, without the human element and uncertainty of outcome, why watch the race at all?


46 posted on 11/29/2012 5:52:55 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Lockbox

Vettel and Alonso should have a shootout race. I say Monaco....


47 posted on 11/29/2012 6:13:11 AM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Chode
LOL! This "controversy" and the associated comments here and at other motorsports forums (ex: NoGrip's Real Life Motorsports forum\Brazilian Grand Prix thread) are almost as exciting as the 2012 F1 season!

A flashing yellow light is the traditional "yellow flag", but is superseded by a real-life marshal with a flag. A solid yellow is to signify a hazardous area (lots of water, debris, etc). Passing is allowed under solid yellow.

No marshal reported an incident to the FIA about Vettel's pass. Ferrari is said to have asked for a "clarification" by the FIA of a posted YT video of the lap 4 pass.

Such is racing, but I'd hate for the season to end like this. It's almost like a hanging chad syndrome! If all this had happened in real time (during the race) and Vettel penalized, resulting in Alonso winning the championship, I'd have been happy with that. I'm just glad it was an interesting season right down to the the last lap of the last race, whoever won!

48 posted on 11/29/2012 10:04:27 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: cld51860

Too late, the FIA already made the call. Too bad because a one race, winner take all would have been great!


49 posted on 11/29/2012 2:20:37 PM PST by Lockbox
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To: Elle Bee; henkster; cld51860; jeffc; Lockbox
thank God...

It has emerged that the incident was not investigated during the race because a green flag was being waved at a marshals' post after Turn Three. Vettel only began his move after passing that flag.

"The incident wasn't reported to stewards in the first place because it didn't seem like there was a need to report it at the time," Norman Howell, the director of communications for the International Automobile Federation (FIA), said. "Now that Ferrari has sent us a letter asking for an explanation we will give it to them."

That means the move was viewed at the time as legitimate and so race control, which judges potential infringements, was not informed and the stewards did not become involved.

50 posted on 11/29/2012 3:06:13 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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