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Leading Catholic: Let priests have sex
TheLocal.de ^ | 23 Nov 12 09:19 CET | (The Local/bk)

Posted on 11/23/2012 7:18:25 PM PST by Olog-hai

Abolishing celibacy for priests would encourage more to take up the cloth, Alois Glück, president of the central committee for German Catholics argued on Friday. …

But Glück admitted that since the Vatican was unlikely to change its stance on the issue in the foreseeable future, lay Catholics would hopefully play a bigger role in local parishes. “Women will have to take up more responsibilities,” he said. …

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: aloisglueck; apostate; liberalcatholics
I do not think that Glück is going to last in his position for much longer.
1 posted on 11/23/2012 7:18:37 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Isn’t that a matter between the priest and the church isn’t it? The reasons those who want to change the rules use in the arguments are totally bogus of course.


2 posted on 11/23/2012 7:20:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai
1 Timothy 4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

And decreeing "oh, you can marry, but then we won't let you serve God beyond this line" is still forbidding marriage.

3 posted on 11/23/2012 7:23:58 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai
1 Timothy 4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

And decreeing "oh, you can marry, but then we won't let you serve God beyond this line" is still forbidding marriage.

4 posted on 11/23/2012 7:23:58 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: ctdonath2

Look up ‘Manichee’. Here’s a nickel - buy yourself an education.


5 posted on 11/23/2012 7:26:33 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Olog-hai

Form your own church then.


6 posted on 11/23/2012 7:27:18 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: Olog-hai

Even though vocations are low in many western countries. The reason for few ordinations is not due to the issue of celibacy.

The issue is rather fathers, mothers, and pastors who don’t seriously suggest to young unmarried men that they might have a vocation.

It is actually a duty of Catholics to recognize when someone could make a good priest, and tell him.


7 posted on 11/23/2012 7:29:16 PM PST by Bayard
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To: Olog-hai

Why not? They have been turning a blind eye to priests having sex with boys for decades.


8 posted on 11/23/2012 7:30:18 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: Olog-hai

Who says they are not already having sex.... most of them...
Nuns too...


9 posted on 11/23/2012 7:31:39 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: ctdonath2
1st Corinthians 7:9.

I'm ok with single, celibate, and sane. Best (and least dramatic) decade of my life.

/johnny

10 posted on 11/23/2012 7:38:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Olog-hai

Catholic priests can be married in the eastern Catholic Churches http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches#Clerical_celibacy


11 posted on 11/23/2012 7:39:02 PM PST by FewsOrange
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To: Olog-hai

What is “the Central Committee for Catholics”? The article calls it a “lay organization,” but does not explain further.

It sounds curiously similar to the Central Committee of any Communist state.


12 posted on 11/23/2012 7:52:29 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Olog-hai

...and then the Rabi says, “It sure beats a ham sandwich, doesn’t it?”


13 posted on 11/23/2012 8:18:30 PM PST by null and void (America - Abducted by Aliens...)
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To: Olog-hai

Never heard of this guy in my life. Title is misleading, if not dishonest.


14 posted on 11/23/2012 8:46:19 PM PST by mgist
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Why not? They have been turning a blind eye to priests having sex with boys for decades.

first of all, your statement is both asinine and incorrect.

the incedence of child molestation is FAR greater in the protestant denominations, scouts, and public schools than in the Catholic church.

while it certainly was not handled well in the church, they have certainly made great strides to overcome the problem.

Also, it was basically homosexuality, not child molestation, that plagued the church...chicken hawks!!

15 posted on 11/23/2012 8:47:32 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Olog-hai

Never heard of this guy in my life. Title is misleading, if not dishonest.


16 posted on 11/23/2012 8:48:04 PM PST by mgist
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To: hosepipe
Who says they are not already having sex.... most of them... Nuns too...

some of us have morals and standards....some of you can't understand that!!

17 posted on 11/23/2012 8:52:35 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Olog-hai

“Let priests have sex”? Given the number of homosexuals in the priestly ranks it would seem they do already.
And with a long history of concubinage they always have.


18 posted on 11/23/2012 8:59:06 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Olog-hai

“Let priests have sex”? Given the number of homosexuals in the priestly ranks it would seem they do already.
And with a long history of concubinage they always have.


19 posted on 11/23/2012 9:05:49 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Olog-hai

There are lots of married African priests and bishops. The church just looks the other way.


20 posted on 11/23/2012 9:11:26 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: terycarl

[ some of us have morals and standards....some of you can’t understand that!! ]

Is sex immoral?..

Sex seems to me is like killing..
You can kill a turkey, a human, or a bug..
It seems to be in context.. the morality of it..

Heck you can even kill a human and it can be moral..
Someone breaks into your house, you shoot them in the eye..
And thats very moral.. if you didn’t do it, you deserve to be raped.. (or something)..

In the same way sex can be moral or not.. according to context..
Religion can be moral or immoral.. context again..


21 posted on 11/23/2012 9:16:00 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: FewsOrange
Likewise, Orthodox Christianity allows priests and archpriests enter the priesthood married, but cannot marry *after* entering the priesthood.

Anything above that level (e.g., Bishops) cannot be married.

Sauron

22 posted on 11/23/2012 10:01:21 PM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: hosepipe

yup.


23 posted on 11/23/2012 11:21:33 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ctdonath2
Opining on that which you know not is not a virtue to be publicly flaunted unless you're a masochist.

21 of the 22 Churches sui juris which comprise the Catholic Church ordain married men. All 21 of those Churches have a shortage of clergy.

"Who said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it." Matthew 19:11-12

"Then Peter answering, said to Him: Behold we have left all things, and have followed Thee: what therefore shall we have? And Jesus said to them: Amen, I say to you, that you, who have followed Me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of His majesty, you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for My name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life everlasting. And many that are first, shall be last: and the last shall be first." Matthew 19:27-30"

"Then Peter said: Behold, we have left all things, and have followed Thee. Who said to them: Amen, I say to you, there is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, Who shall not receive much more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting." Luke 18:28-30

"But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your profit: not to cast a snare upon you; but for that which is decent, and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord, without impediment." 1 Corinthians 7:32-35

"Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats. He speaks of the Gnostics, the Marcionites, the Encratites, the Manicheans, and other ancient heretics, who absolutely condemned marriage and the use of all kind of meat; because they pretended that all flesh was from an evil principle. Whereas the Church of God, so far from condemning marriage holds it a holy sacrament and forbids it to none but such as by vow have chosen the better part: and prohibits not the use of any meats whatsoever in proper times and seasons, though she does not judge all kind of diet proper for days of fasting and penance." St. Jerome's commentary on 1 Timothy 4:3

Linguistic literalists like yourself never comprehend that in the battle of intellect you're all woefully under armed.

24 posted on 11/24/2012 2:08:02 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Written no doubt by a simpleton who cheerfully supports the criminals in public education through the payment of property taxes.
25 posted on 11/24/2012 2:11:23 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: hosepipe

Probably just like you engaging in bestiality and necrophilia.


26 posted on 11/24/2012 2:14:57 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Olog-hai

If they will have sex, have them marry. Else they become “Johns” in the “brothel” of casual sex partners.


27 posted on 11/24/2012 3:15:54 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

1 Corinthians7:8-9 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

For all your concerns about “intellectual rigor” you might have made sure of the context of the chapter from which you lifted verses 32-35 to bolster your arguements. Priests that find themselves in the predicament of verses 8 and 9 ought to be allowed to marry without having to leave the prieshood. Reading the whole of Chapter 7 gives one the perspective that while Paul suggests that unmarried celebacy is the ideal in order for the Christian to maintain a wholly undivided service to Christ, he recognizes the reality that not all folks will be able to keep their passions in check. ( The married African Catholic Bishops and priests I have read about seem to have accepted that reality.)

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Is it not better that Priests marry than to be judged by God as whoremongers and adulterers when they fall into sexual sin?


28 posted on 11/24/2012 4:25:10 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: Salvation; NYer

Ping. For your lists.


29 posted on 11/24/2012 7:02:34 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Do you doubt that the church covered for pedophile priests for decades in some cases?


30 posted on 11/24/2012 9:00:29 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: Olog-hai
How about changing the headline?

Leading Catholic CINO: Let priests have sex,

31 posted on 11/24/2012 12:37:00 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: FewsOrange

True, but they cannot become a Bishop.

What happens when the Eastern Orthodox Churches joing back up under the Pope?

Hmmm????


32 posted on 11/24/2012 12:38:58 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: terycarl

bump


33 posted on 11/24/2012 12:40:13 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: terycarl
How many times do we have to post this?



34 posted on 11/24/2012 12:41:33 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: terycarl
the incedence of child molestation is FAR greater

incidence

35 posted on 11/25/2012 5:30:14 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Olog-hai

Great example of my tagline.


36 posted on 11/25/2012 5:35:58 PM PST by CityCenter (Compromise is the welcome mat to deception.)
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To: TigersEye
incidence

I knew better than to let that slide!!!!

37 posted on 11/25/2012 7:21:47 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl

When the spelling police start letting typos slide chaos is close behind!


38 posted on 11/25/2012 7:29:27 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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