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Survive the Coming Collapse .com ^ | 11/22/12 | DAVID MORRIS

Posted on 11/23/2012 7:22:24 PM PST by Kartographer

Survival Diva here to discuss an important, life-saving tactic that too many Preppers leave out of their preparedness plan. We may think we have everything covered for survival, but what if we’ve prepared for six months or a year when a crisis comes that lingers for years? Few of us have the resources to put three, four, or five years of food storage and preparedness goods aside, but depending upon the emergency, we may need to figure out how to make it through a breakdown in infrastructure lasting that long.

As David has said before, the “stuff” that you store up is only there to help you get from one predictable source of provisions to the next. It won’t last forever, but it will give you time to figure out or set up sustainable solutions.

One of the most obvious choices for developing a sustainable food supply is through gardening…specifically with heirloom seed that can be dried and used season after season. In my opinion heirloom seed is imperative for long term survival. We will need a variety of fresh vegetables and fruits to combat appetite fatigue and for good health, especially when food storage begins to dwindle. If you can afford the cost, adding heirloom seed to your bartering goods stash will give you plenty of bartering leverage.

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1 posted on 11/23/2012 7:22:29 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 11/23/2012 7:23:20 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer


3 posted on 11/23/2012 7:25:05 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Kartographer

just to be sarcastic and darker you should have added (besides your women)


4 posted on 11/23/2012 7:25:12 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kartographer

Skills can help, big time!

If you can manufacture alcoholic beverages you have a bater item. The ability to repair simple machines would come in handy. You can repair in trade for other items. Like alcoholic beverages!


5 posted on 11/23/2012 7:26:28 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I expect Old Sarge to be along anytime now. ;-)


6 posted on 11/23/2012 7:27:13 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: GeronL
Who trades a good wimmenfolk that can pull a plow?

/johnny

7 posted on 11/23/2012 7:31:19 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

lol


8 posted on 11/23/2012 7:39:41 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kartographer

I am not certain how valuable it would be but for the last 20 years I have accumulated matches and various other fire starters. More than I would ever use.

One note is to not just assume something will work. I decided to waterproof a couple of boxes of strike anywhere matches by dipping them in hot candle wax. I kept them for several years assuming I had waterproof matches.

Well one day I decided to see how well they worked. They didn’t work at all. In fact even after I peeled off all the wax they still wouldn’t work. I had simply ruined a couple boxes of matches.

Nothing of value but I am glad I found out they didn’t work before really needing them.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 7:40:20 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nice MkIII


10 posted on 11/23/2012 7:40:44 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Right up until you disassemble it to clean it.

Then the fun starts. In many cases it winds up with the Ruger in a box headed up to the gunsmith. ;)

/johnny

11 posted on 11/23/2012 7:42:34 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a few .50 cal ammo boxes full of various ammo.

Filled another one just since the election.


12 posted on 11/23/2012 7:42:59 PM PST by digger48
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To: JRandomFreeper

True enough.


13 posted on 11/23/2012 7:44:05 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kartographer

Personally, I’m no gardener, and don’t know a thing about gardening, but... I wonder if anyone here knows this: Those seeds you buy in the gardening shop - the ones in the little envelopes for vegetables such as carrots, potatotes, corn,tomatoes and so on - how long will they keep and be viable when stored away in the closet?


14 posted on 11/23/2012 7:44:12 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: yarddog
It is VERY important to always field test what you do. It's one thing to read it in a book or on the internet. It's a whole different thing to use it for real in the field.

Thank you for bringing that point up.

/johnny

15 posted on 11/23/2012 7:44:59 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That’s how it was for me I read everything I could get on it, watch endless video, study it night and day then I got married. I should have field tested it first. ;-)


16 posted on 11/23/2012 7:48:42 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: digger48

I really think that the .22 LR will be the $1 or $5 bill soon.


17 posted on 11/23/2012 7:49:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Jack Hammer
Personally, my experience has been that the packaged seeds are somewhat ok for the season they are produced for. I've had some that didn't start at all. Never started any that were over 2 years old.

I harvest seeds for stuff I use. The seeds I store also last about a year. It's a half life kind of thing.

First year is 75-80%, 2nd year is about 50%, much less on the third year.

I'm very pessemistic about storing seed. Especially commercial seed that's not from my garden that I processed.

/johnny

18 posted on 11/23/2012 7:51:07 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer
LOL! I just don't do the married thing anymore. ;)

/johnny

19 posted on 11/23/2012 7:52:15 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

First is food of course, but the next on my list as far as barter items is clothing. Or the ability to repair and alter clothing. Especially warm winter stuff. I keep most of what crosses my path, and I have a functional treadle sewing machine, if by chance electricity is gone, which it probably would be.

I try to teach the younger ones how to do the “old fashioned” stuff, in case whatever happens takes place after I’m gone, or drags on that long.


20 posted on 11/23/2012 7:52:58 PM PST by buckeye49
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To: JRandomFreeper

That is why you “rent” them out rather than trade. Selco (Bosnia) said that a can of spam was the going rate for 20 minutes of time with a woman.


21 posted on 11/23/2012 8:02:35 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: 21twelve
I'm a celibate, so that doesn't really matter to me.

I will put a very sincere stop to any slavery or abuse that I see, though.

/johnny

22 posted on 11/23/2012 8:05:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jack Hammer

Buy heirloom seeds. Hybrid varieties are made for the current growing season and second generation plant will have poor yields, if any at all.


23 posted on 11/23/2012 8:06:59 PM PST by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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To: Jack Hammer
You should get some germination after two years. But not a lot, maybe 15-20%. Any longer then that and you possible will get nothing. Or you may.

Seeds are odd beasts at the best of times.

24 posted on 11/23/2012 8:13:08 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Fate plays chess and you don't find out until too late that he's been using two queens all along)
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To: Kartographer

Junk Silver. (old coins w/90% silver)By definition will barter very well.


25 posted on 11/23/2012 8:14:38 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Kartographer; 2ndDivisionVet
I expect Old Sarge to be along anytime now

Too bloody right I am!

And you all know my position on that subject, too.

26 posted on 11/23/2012 8:22:41 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Kartographer

Salt. I read that a good supply of salt will be worth gold. Don’t know if it is true though.


27 posted on 11/23/2012 8:27:49 PM PST by Ramonne
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To: Jack Hammer

Those packaged seeds will last for years. I have some going on 10 years and still strong. You will get some drop-off in the number that germinate, but I plant 2 per spot anyway, and end up fine. Never throw away old seeds unless they’re moldy or sprouted.


28 posted on 11/23/2012 8:30:03 PM PST by gotribe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
.22 could very well be the new equivalent of change... CB's=a nickel, shorts a dime, LR a quarter, Mini-Mags=50c and .22Mags a dollar
29 posted on 11/23/2012 8:30:43 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Kartographer
For you review, consideration and comment.

Interesting article, but I was a bit troubled by either an emotional or myopic perspective on the part of the author. For instance the author posits a barter situation.

For instance, a doctor who typically charges $120 for an office visit who is in need of a welder who normally charges $60 per hour is likely to trade services equally when the need is great enough.

What if the "doctor" does not require "welding" services and the "welder" does not require "medical" services? What if the welder's neighbor requires medical services, but the welder's neighbor can provide eggs to the welder? There is a problem.

The author then goes on to say:

It isn’t a stretch to imagine a time when gold and silver won’t be as valuable as critical survival goods. Yes, gold and silver will continue to increase in value and are excellent investments, but in my opinion it is better to invest in gold and silver after necessary preparedness goods have been purchased.

This is where I always stop, along with the you can't eat gold and silver. In a short term grid down that will be true. I emphasize short term. Barter is extremely inefficient if not impossible when moving beyond immediate trade between two parties. How does one transfer wealth (barter) when the welder needs eggs, the neighbor needs medical care and the doctor needs neither? The answer is the same as it was with the Romans and before. A "barter" system of something of value that is weighed against services. That system has always been coinage of precious metals. In the case of grid down or economic collapse, that coinage is gold and silver.

For our example of barter, the coinage has to be recognizable. Simply enough we can answer that need with junk silver. The majority of people cannot afford gold, but they can maintain small denominations of silver. Gold will be necessary for wealth protection and restarting the economy. Silver on the other hand will be valuable to solve the inefficiencies of the barter system.

I am certain junk silver should be a part of everyones preparations. MTC. YMMV.
30 posted on 11/23/2012 8:33:01 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Kartographer

Jack Daniels


31 posted on 11/23/2012 8:33:16 PM PST by two23
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To: Drango

Beat me. Ditto.


32 posted on 11/23/2012 8:35:25 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Ramonne

Wars have been fought over salt.


33 posted on 11/23/2012 8:39:03 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG ... there is no such thing as coincidence)
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To: Chode

You can’t kill and eat a rabbit, squirrel, deer or pheasant with a dollar bill. Ammunition can feed you, protect you and should be barter gold.


34 posted on 11/23/2012 8:39:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: JRandomFreeper; jy8z; Harmless Teddy Bear; gotribe

Thanks all; when I’m chowing down on nice fresh veggies after the apocalypse, I’ll remember your kindness.


35 posted on 11/23/2012 8:46:15 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I was looking at a list of stuff to learn the other day. The thing I was most interested in was a course on gunsmithing.

Now I don’t even own a gun, and have no idea how to even clean one. Still seems like it would be a good skill to have.

I inherited my Grandma’s treadle sewing machine. I learned to sew on that machine. This reminded me I need to get it out of the storage room and see what to do to make it work again. I haven’t done any sewing in so long, I’m not sure I can figure out how to thread it or any other machine I have.

Lots of interesting food for thought.


36 posted on 11/23/2012 8:49:39 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
yup, i guess that's my point, .22 as barter in the place of change you use to pay for small items using .22 in the denominations i listed, what you use it for, either to hunt with or further barter is up to you...
37 posted on 11/23/2012 8:51:28 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the first dollar you actually shoot into someone.


38 posted on 11/23/2012 8:55:28 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Jack Hammer

I have a list somewhere that tells the average viability of most seeds. Corn is the shortest at 2 years. Most others range between 3-6 years, but the time can be lengthened with vacuum pack and freezing.

Course those long term survival seeds you see advertised are another story. I only plant heirlooms, and I save my seed each year. I also order at the end of year sales when they have the combo packs really cheap.


39 posted on 11/23/2012 8:55:39 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: buckeye49

water and the ability to create safe drinking water. then food.


40 posted on 11/23/2012 8:56:00 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Ramonne

salt preserves and is good for wounds. among other things.


41 posted on 11/23/2012 8:57:12 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: sauropod

mark


42 posted on 11/23/2012 9:01:05 PM PST by sauropod (For Barack so loved the poor, he created millions more of them.)
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To: buckeye49

I have been teaching my kids to:
Mend their clothes.
Fix their wounds.
Weld.
Basic electric work, carpentry, plumbing, cooking, first aid, essentially everything an old school eagle scout should know. Also how to make a shelter out of duct tape.

Never know, it might come in handy for barter with some goof that has no clue which direction the sun comes up.

There is no such thing as being too prepared.


43 posted on 11/23/2012 9:01:40 PM PST by Texas resident (Welcome to the nightmare)
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To: Ramonne

When Mayor Bloomberg started talking about banning salt, I went out and bought a whole bunch of all different kinds of salt. Sugar and Vinegar too.

I need to buy some more, but I need to get a space fixed up to store it all. Salt, Sugar, and vinegar are very important to some of the food preservation techniques.

Besides, I figure the food police are going to start rationing sugar and salt for the good of the children - doncha know?


44 posted on 11/23/2012 9:02:26 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
when the time comes, believe me... that old treadle machine and knowing how to use it will be a VERY desirable skill as men can but HATE to sew, at least i do
45 posted on 11/23/2012 9:02:26 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Kartographer

Top barter item? Knowledge


46 posted on 11/23/2012 9:04:48 PM PST by bigbob
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To: greeneyes

Thank you; see post 35.


47 posted on 11/23/2012 9:07:55 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: bigbob; Kartographer; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; Bride Of Old Sarge; ...

Top barter item? Knowledge

48 posted on 11/23/2012 9:11:31 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Find myself a good, really lonely male prepper?


49 posted on 11/23/2012 9:12:29 PM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep.)
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To: Kartographer

Kart,

do you ( or anyone else on the prepper threads ) remember aritcles about Ovomitcare that said OTC meds and health & beauty items would have a special tax on them ?
I remember reading at least one or two but cannot find them ...sigh....

Items such as toothpaste and brushes, bandaids, rubbing alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, aspirin etc....


50 posted on 11/23/2012 9:16:53 PM PST by simplesimon (NEVER forget Benghazi ~!)
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