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Authorities still don't know what's on Trayvon Martin's cellphone
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | November 24, 2012 | Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner

Posted on 11/24/2012 7:14:10 AM PST by Uncle Chip

Despite all the investigation, public outrage and scrutiny over the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, at least one major piece of evidence has not yet been thoroughly analyzed: his cellphone.

Police found it at the scene the night Trayvon was shot, its battery dead. Authorities tried but failed to download data from the phone, then asked his father, Tracy Martin, for the security code so they could unlock it. They didn't get the code and turned the phone over to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

A crime-lab specialist there had only limited success accessing the messages, photos and other information on the phone, according to attorneys for defendant George Zimmerman.

Without the security code, FDLE analyst Stephen Brenton told attorneys, he could not unlock the phone and download information from its primary data-storage site: the chip built into the phone, said defense attorney Mark O'Mara.

Brenton was able to download files from two removable-storage devices in the phone: its SIM card and SD card, O'Mara said. But the information on its internal chip remains a mystery. It could be revealing, according to O'Mara and co-counsel Don West.

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


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KEYWORDS: judicialactivism; nifongism; railroaded; trayvonmartin; trialbymedia; zimmerman
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1 posted on 11/24/2012 7:14:20 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Geez. How long does it take to guess a four-digit passcode?


2 posted on 11/24/2012 7:17:34 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Uncle Chip
Give
the phone to any UK media center.

They'll unlock it in a jiffy.

3 posted on 11/24/2012 7:18:27 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: Uncle Chip

I find it telling that Trayvon’s old man, when asked for the code to unlock the phone, refused to give it to the police.

This from a man that is screaming for “justice” for his son.

Something stinks here...


4 posted on 11/24/2012 7:18:36 AM PST by sauropod (For Barack so loved the poor, he created millions more of them.)
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To: dinodino

I was thinking the same thing. Those four wheel padlocks with ten digits around each wheel take less than ten minutes to sequence to the right combo and it’s mechanical.

Have the contacted the phone manufacturer or do they really not want the info?


5 posted on 11/24/2012 7:20:05 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: sauropod

If you’d asked me for the password to my kids’ phones, I would have had no way of knowing what they were.


6 posted on 11/24/2012 7:20:15 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Uncle Chip

have they tried ebonics?


7 posted on 11/24/2012 7:20:32 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: dinodino

I wonder what model phone this was. Not an iPhone if it had an SD card, but some models lock users out for a period of time (the iPhone does) after a certain number of unsuccessful attempts.

That being said, there are many companies that specialize in this kind of stuff, and being a high profile case, I’d like to think (though maybe wrongly) that they’ve exhausted their options.


8 posted on 11/24/2012 7:23:58 AM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: sauropod
Yessir. Finally the OS tells a semblance of the truth about this case:

The phone is registered to Trayvon's father. According to police records, on March 1, an analyst with the Seminole County Sheriff's Office told Sanford police he needed the security code to unlock the data on the phone.

Sanford police Detective Doris Singleton contacted the carrier, T-Mobile, asking for the code. The company told her they could get to the information if they had the PIN to the account. On March 5, Sanford police Sgt. Joe Santiago asked Tracy Martin for the PIN, according to a police report. Tracy Martin said he'd check with his attorney.

Martin never got back with police. At a March 8 news conference in Orlando, Tracy Martin told reporters he would not help police download information from the phone.

When questioned last month about Tracy Martin's decision to withhold the phone's PIN from authorities, family attorney Benjamin Crump said, "I don't know anything about that. We're going to do anything prosecutors say we should."

Somebody is lying and obstructing justice and the OS just identified who.

9 posted on 11/24/2012 7:25:44 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Nor do they care. They are only interested in lynching Zimmerman.


10 posted on 11/24/2012 7:26:54 AM PST by sport
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To: Uncle Chip

They know. It’s a game the prosecutors are playing to keep the defense from getting the evidence. They’re just trying to get a plea.


11 posted on 11/24/2012 7:29:11 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: dinodino

Me thinks that there were things in the phone’s memory that aren’t supporting the party line on the incident.

Don’t you think if everything on the phone supported the party line we would have heard about it, loudly and repeatedly, since the end of March. Who knows, it might even have become a campaign sound bite.


12 posted on 11/24/2012 7:30:08 AM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: Uncle Chip

A memory chip is a memory chip. I don’t see why they can’t just remove the chip to see what’s on it, unless there is some kind of encryption built-in.


13 posted on 11/24/2012 7:30:18 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: dinodino

I suspect they do not want to find out what is on that phone. Remember, Zimmerman MUST be convicted and sent to prison where he can be killed by an African-american inmate seeking “justice”.


14 posted on 11/24/2012 7:30:55 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: Uncle Chip

All companies have an override code for ALL cellphones. All the police need is a warrant.


15 posted on 11/24/2012 7:31:49 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: Uncle Chip
Maybe the password to his phone is goo goo.


16 posted on 11/24/2012 7:32:41 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: sauropod

——I find it telling that Trayvon’s old man, when asked for the code to unlock the phone, refused to give it to the police.——

He probably didn’t know it...

I would be in the same position... As about 99 % of all parents...

The guy is still a POS....because he could give T mobile permission to release it to the police....


17 posted on 11/24/2012 7:33:14 AM PST by Popman
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To: BenLurkin

I’m sure he doesn’t know what the passcode is. But the phone is in his name and with his permission, the phone manufacturer can break the passcode. He will not allow it.


18 posted on 11/24/2012 7:36:57 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Uncle Chip

I don’t believe for a minute law enforcement people couldn’t retrieve
Information from a cell phone. They must think all people are truly stupid.


19 posted on 11/24/2012 7:38:15 AM PST by Ramonne
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To: BenLurkin

Passwords are useful if you tend to put the phone in your back pocket. They keep you from accidentally dialing someone by sitting down.

However, I made my daughters remove the password on their phones. I told them I’d never violate their privacy, but if, God forbid, they were in an accident, or unconscious, police or a friend could get to the contact list quickly to make a call. They seemed quite satisfied with that explanation.


20 posted on 11/24/2012 7:38:44 AM PST by melissa_in_ga (Laz would hit it.)
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To: dinodino

I wonder if it is an Obamaphone...


21 posted on 11/24/2012 7:38:57 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Uncle Chip

Just dial all 1’s. As high as Trayvon could count.


22 posted on 11/24/2012 7:42:42 AM PST by albie
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To: Uncle Chip

Try ‘Ho Ho!”


23 posted on 11/24/2012 7:43:57 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Uncle Chip
Honesty, if I were Tracy Martin, I wouldn't give the police full access to my son's phone either. It is a no win situation for him.

Rule #1, never give the police/prosecutor access to anything belonging to you unless you know exactly what's on it. It can always be used against you in court.

24 posted on 11/24/2012 7:45:53 AM PST by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: sauropod

I was thinking why would the old man know the code


25 posted on 11/24/2012 7:55:58 AM PST by stylin19a (obama -> Fredo smart)
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To: Uncle Chip

Is the “ Trail Of Tears “ tour still on? Who is financing that?


26 posted on 11/24/2012 7:56:23 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: Dan Nunn

iirc the iPhone can also be set up to disable itself after 6 failed passcode attempts or reset itself after a certain number of failed pass code attempts ( I think 10).


27 posted on 11/24/2012 7:58:13 AM PST by ironman
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To: smokingfrog

On iPhone security:

While four digits is easy to remember, and can be entered quickly, the benefits of a longer password are profound. In their report on iPhone security, MIT’s Technology Review writes that software to “brute forces” iPhone passcodes by simply entering every possible four digit combination takes 800 milliseconds, or about 13 minutes.

Once a longer more complex passcode is in place, the time to crack quickly moves into unfeasible territory. Technology Review writes, “if the user chooses a six-digit PIN, the maximum time required would be 55 days; an eight-digit PIN would require more than 15 years.”

This isn’t a new feature to the iPhone operating system. In fact, it appears to have been around since around the introduction of the iPhone 3GS. Having a longer passcode is more than just a good way to keep out snoopy neighbors looking to brute force your phone. Technology Review notes that in addition to locking your phone, the passcode is tied to the phone’s encryption system.

Once you enter a passcode, four digits or otherwise, the iPhone automatically enables its data protection system. To encrypt information on the phone, Apple uses the Advanced Encryption Standard algorithm, which is the same standard adopted by the NSA. Each iOS device contains two unique 256-bit AES key which Apple explains in security whitepaper from this May are “fused into the application processor during manufacturing.”

It’s the combination of these AES keys and the user’s passcode that encrypts and decrypts files on the iPhone. “In addition to unlocking the device, a passcode provides the entropy for encryption keys, which are not stored on the device,” writes Apple in the whitepaper. “This means an attacker in possession of a device can’t get access to data in certain protection classes without the passcode.”

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/10771/20120813/iphone-simple-passcode.htm


28 posted on 11/24/2012 8:01:05 AM PST by ironman
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To: Popman
He probably didn’t know it...

Then why didn't he just tell the police that??? Instead Tracy Martin said he'd check with his attorney, then never got back with police:

"At a March 8 news conference in Orlando, Tracy Martin told reporters he would not help police download information from the phone.

, family attorney Benjamin Crump said, "I don't know anything about that. We're going to do anything prosecutors say we should."

So -- according to this, Tracy Martin does know the PIN number, but just won't turn it over.

Get some popcorn and watch the drama over this phone play out, especially since Tracy Martin/Crump have already supposedly turned over the phone records to the prosecution/defense and those records may prove to be fraudulent.

29 posted on 11/24/2012 8:02:50 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: John123

“It is a no win situation for him”

That’s true...and I would agree with you, if the case were still in Phase A - Phase A being when the DA decided not to prosecute. Now that we are in Phase B, a media circus driven witch hunt by a special prosecutor, Tracy Martin lokks very, very bad when he witholds information. He started the media circus...and now its too hot in the kitchen?

Heck, if I were Martin, I would genuinely want to know what was on the phone.


30 posted on 11/24/2012 8:06:06 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: sauropod

And why hasn’t he been given a court order to reveal the code?

Actually, would he know it? Many many teenagers don’t tell their parents the code.


31 posted on 11/24/2012 8:07:02 AM PST by heartwood
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To: ironman

“if the user chooses a six-digit PIN, the maximum time required would be 55 days; an eight-digit PIN would require more than 15 years”

Assuming one is using an IBM XT with a 286 processor.

The NSA cracks 32 digit passwords in considerably less time.


32 posted on 11/24/2012 8:07:14 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: dinodino

I wonder what model phone this was. Not an iPhone if it had an SD card, but some models lock users out for a period of time (the iPhone does) after a certain number of unsuccessful attempts.

That being said, there are many companies that specialize in this kind of stuff, and being a high profile case, I’d like to think (though maybe wrongly) that they’ve exhausted their options.


33 posted on 11/24/2012 8:14:53 AM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Uncle Chip

With this punk, try every four letter curse word. They could start with the f bomb since he was so fond of using it on FB.

Seems like they don’t want to know what’s on it.


34 posted on 11/24/2012 8:29:09 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: heartwood

heartwood~: “ And why hasn’t he been given a court order to reveal the code? “

Good legal point !

In terms of finding out what is on the phone, police / investigators also have to maintain a “Chain of evidence” (legal process/ form indicating any transferof phone and/or data ) without destroying it .
Best way is to make a duplicate of the phone and data, without damaging the original data .


35 posted on 11/24/2012 8:36:17 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ("You can kill a free man,.. you can't enslave him." -Robert Anson Heinlein)
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To: Uncle Chip
Plugging a FB page.
It was created by an active duty serviceman stationed in Afghan
who couldn't devote the time required to it because of his other responsibilities.

While I still consider it his page, he gave me Admin status and I've been running it for a few months now.

Any Freeper wishing to join the page and contribute to the discussion would be welcomed and appreciated.

Save George Zimmerman from racial onslaught

36 posted on 11/24/2012 8:46:47 AM PST by kanawa
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To: Ramonne
They must think all people are truly stupid.

Yup.

Didja see the results of the last election?

37 posted on 11/24/2012 8:47:50 AM PST by null and void (America - Abducted by Aliens...)
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To: dinodino

FUMF
That was easy.

Why would da gubmit take so long and still not succeed? Because its the gubmit employees wanting to ride that thing as long as they can.


38 posted on 11/24/2012 8:48:51 AM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: albie
Just dial all 1’s. As high as Trayvon could count.

Good guess, but given that he was doubtless an obama supporter: zero, zero, zero, zero...

39 posted on 11/24/2012 8:50:09 AM PST by null and void (America - Abducted by Aliens...)
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To: bgill
Seems like they don’t want to know what’s on it.

Yep. And that phone could be one of the main reasons that the Martins pressed for a change in prosecutors back in March. The SPD and DA were pressing for the password and access to the phone and Martin did not want to give it up.

And since Corey took over the case there has been no effort to access the phone -- that we or the defense know of.

Get the popcorn -- this could be interesting.

40 posted on 11/24/2012 8:52:31 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Then send it to the FBI, you bunch of hacks.


41 posted on 11/24/2012 9:15:28 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: kanawa

That looks like a great FB page for keeping up with this case.


42 posted on 11/24/2012 9:24:00 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I’ll bet Tray threatened to kill Mr. Zimmerman.


43 posted on 11/24/2012 9:33:19 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: sauropod

The father’s not giving it out because the girl told daddy what Tray really said...like maybe....he’ll kill Zimmerman???


44 posted on 11/24/2012 9:35:57 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Uncle Chip

People, lissen up! As Uncle Chip explains right here, Police need the pin for the ACCOUNT, not for the phone. I still think they should be able to get the information off the phone, but even accepting that they need the pin, it is the father’s pin to the account. Got it?


45 posted on 11/24/2012 10:37:12 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Uncle Chip
Never talk with a cop. He takes awhile to get to his piont but he does make a point.
46 posted on 11/24/2012 11:23:21 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: Artie

Florida Taxpayers, in part. Racism Inc, on the other part.


47 posted on 11/24/2012 11:27:39 AM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: bgill

“NOLIMITNIGGA” (his name on Face-Butt)


48 posted on 11/24/2012 11:32:18 AM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: Uncle Chip

This is getting worse than the OJ trail.


49 posted on 11/24/2012 11:37:16 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: Defiant; All

The article is quite revealing as I think atleast one of the authors NOW gets it. It is also posted and discussed here:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/11/24/alexander-graham-bell-would-not-be-proud/

This phone is the critical piece of evidence in this case, as a matter of fact, the only physical piece of evidence that the the SP has for her indictment connecting its star witness to the deceased. And they let it sit there and don’t want to know what’s in it???

Furthermore what was/is stopping the SPD or FDLE from accessing the phone was/is not a PIN to the phone entered into it by Trayvon Martin, but the PIN to the ACCOUNT held by Tracy Martin, the father running around the country to all those churches whining about justice for Trayvon.

And all the media knew about this and sat on it because as far back as March at a news conference the justice-seeking father says that he refuses to turn over his PIN to law enforcement.

And the SP, who is in daily contact with Benjamin Crump, Martin’s attorney, never asked for the PIN from him so they could access this piece of evidence???? This is unbelievable. The SP is demanding things from every irrelevant person in this case except the one person with the key to the central piece of evidence???

I hope that the Defense team subpoenas Tracy Martin and Benjamin Crump and Angela Corey for the scheduled December 11th hearing so that we can watch the finger pointing and hear the bs fly around the courtroom. And if Tracy Martin does not turn over the PIN on the spot, he should be taken into custody until he does. And that’s just for starters.


50 posted on 11/25/2012 6:55:20 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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