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Posted on 11/24/2012 4:33:34 PM PST by chrisser
My wife and I were at my parents for Thanksgiving, along with my sister.
During dinner conversation, we discovered my sister was an enthusiastic Obama supporter. Unfortunately, the conversation ended up in a long political argument. My parents refused to say how they voted, but it was pretty obvious they're drinking the Koolaide too, along with my brother, who wasn't there.
As you can imagine, I've been thinking a lot about this since. There's more than a little bit of regret I have from the conversation, but beyond that, I think it was the first time I've actually come face to face with the mindset of the other side.
Most of you have probably been there and seen the unbelievable lack of information, complete ignorance of history, acceptance of propaganda as fact, and just the stupidity and immorality that otherwise good people can accept.
I'm saddened by the whole episode, but more than that, I'm more than a little afraid. I can't help but think about the history of Nazi and pre-Nazi Germany, of the Russian and Chinese "revolutions", and the other repeated examples of the horrors of socialism and the relative ease with which their countries' populations accepted them, even with enthusiasm.
Again, this is probably old hat to a lot of us here.
But, as I was out in the garage, patching up one of our old cars for the 3rd or 4th time, trying to keep it driveable so we don't have to spend money on a new one (even though we must be "the rich", since our taxes are going to go up even more), I had a lot of time to think, and I'm faced with the reality that, someday in the future, I am likely to be an enemy of the state.
I know I'm not going to be a member of the ruling elite in the coming new order. Nor will I be one of their supporters. That means I'll either be a member of the vocal dissent that gets killed off early on, the resistance that gets hunted down later (I suspect this is where I'll end up), or I can chose to be a slave to the state - and I refuse to be the latter.
It's a sobering thought. I love my country. I never thought I would ever take action against her. But I can't help feeling that, at some point, if I value freedom and my rights as an individual, then I will end up her enemy.
Anyone thought along similar lines? If so, how do you deal with it, 'cause I'm pretty darned depressed about the idea.
You’ll be in good company:
“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive.
If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them.
What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
- Thomas Jefferson, November 13, 1787, letter to William S. Smith, quoted in Padover’s Jefferson On Democracy, ed., 1939
This country was founded on amazing ideals, and we can never be her enemy.
I too fear that the ruling class (meaning government employees) is going to cast people who still want to live their individual lives as enemies. They will do this even though everything in the foundation of this country was about ensuring the private sphere of the individual - to practice his faith, to own property and make a living, and to do whatever was necessary to support this project.
But the government has taken on a life of its own and is rumbling forward like Frankenstein’s monster. This makes me fear both for me and for my church, but I am trusting in God to show me what to do, hoping I am not like the hapless Jews in Germany who missed the warning signs.
when the day comes... disinformation is your friend
be a supporter, a dummy, someone that prefers ignorance over trouble...
and when they aren’t looking, work sabotage and other nefarious deeds to help the resistance
I fully realize I will end up against the wall. i take comfort in the knowledge that many will go before me
Chrisser, sorry you had that experience. It’s certainly disheartening to say the least.
I had a similar experience, but not in person, on Facebook. My youngest brother is an ultra-lib, Ph.D. holding professor at a private college in upstate NY and his wife is very similar although she teaches middle school and has a Master’s. Their 4 year old is arleady drinking the kool-aid.
My other brother, younger by 2 years, is a union negotiator for UAW in CA and you can imagine what his politics are! His wife works at a college near them.
After seeing them do the happy dance on FB about how Obama won and all us “conservatives that want to outlaw immigration, women’s reproductive rights, gays, blacks and Hispanics” should go eat s**t cuz their boy won I pretty much wrote them off.
It’s really sad but while I was posting things to try to explain to people WHY Zero was the wrong choice, my brother was posting things about “isn’t America about sharing? I certainly don’t mind giving a small portion of my income to help those that need it, those that never got a break in their life. This is what America is.”
I tried to make him see that some people don’t have things because they do NOT want to work nor do they even try to make their lives better. No sale. He just doesn’t get the very basic differences and sees all of “us” through black lenses as if conservatives were Satan come to life.
I don’t know how to deal with it. Knowing that when push comes to shove we will be pitted against each other saddens me incredibly much. I’ve been struggling with these feelings since realizing Zero was reelected. I hope someone knows how to handle it cuz I could sure use the help.
I wish you peace my FRiend. Good luck with this.
It won’t happen. The new stalinists like Obama will do communism right this time (or so they think.) For the model look at Argentina, before Peron in the top 6 economies of the planet, since Peron a permanent basketcase, that even military coups cannot repair. This is the fate of America, a narrow rich elite, industrial and political, forever struggling overworked middle class, and a greedy, resentful underclass, so numerous that it cannot be outvoted anymore.
A lot of people living in our America these days have been programmed to put themselves ahead of the good of the country. That’s why the Arabs/communists well eventually kick our assess. Our own “Me! Me! Me!” greed is the weapon being used against us. Someday, everybody is going to be in for a rude awakening. They’ll probably learn about it over their “smart” phone.
Stop it. The ruling class may be those at the top of the government employee heap, but it is unfair of you to castigate all of them that way.
Don't be afraid, friend. There are far more of us, than there are of them, and most of us are well armed.
Consider this... There are an estimated 90,000,000 gun owners in the US, who possess an estimated 270,000,000 firearms. Naturally, they're not all right-leaning patriots who revere the Constitution, but most are.
If worse came to worse, I think we'd be astonished at how fast the dark side would capitulate and allow us to properly restore our government.
This is more like the Bolsheviks, but in that instance there was a Czar to blame everything on, and people didn't vote. The left is constantly trying to find their ‘Czar’ to hang blame on (e.g. Bush, the 1%, old white guys), but none of these are the kinds of persona to coalesce a popular uprising around. Also, the left has a very fractured coalition put together with a combination of gum, spit, self-interest, and resentment. It won't be too long before some of those factions that make up the coalition turn against the mother ship. We saw some of this with the Hillary voters that jumped ship.
We just need to keep our noses down, be principled, and we'll be OK. It might take awhile, with lots of bs and disappointments in between, but we will be OK.
I don’t argue with them anymore. I just smile and say “I hope you’re right and it all turns out the way you think it will.” After that, no matter what they say, just shrug, smile, repeat.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
ROTFL!! Oh, that's the best observation I've seen in weeks.
I learned this election that one of my favorite cousins is an Obot! He is in an auto-worker’s union so they poisoned his mind over the decades he’s worked there. He works tirelessly for his church and the private school it has! Yet he votes for dems. This doesn’t make sense. He lives in Illinois. Surely he know Obummer is the most abortion loving dem to hold office.
I always knew my in-laws were democrat union drones.
I have not heard a peep out of them since the election. They’re old. They will reap what they sowed with ObamaCare. Hey, there’s even a 4 percent real estate sales fee in ObamaCare that I am sure they’ll be delighted to pony up someday.
It’s us vs. them. Us, old fashioned Americans. Them, the takers and abortion lovers.
We’re on the side of what is righteous.
As for the socialists, like I always say, there’s plenty of room in hell.
I know the welfare state will collapse into a zombie apocalypse and I don`t want to be in a blue state when that happens so I`ve been making plans to move to a solidly red state and it`s solidly red areas. I look at it this way, JUST LIKE a coming storm, people can see it on the horizon, like hurricane Katrina or Sandy everyone with at least half a brain knows they need to act, if they choose to be part of the sheeple and not act, well, they get what they ask for, they end up behind enemy lines and will be S.O.L., my advice, do what ever you have to but move, get out of enemy territory now, while you still can or you`ll only have yourself to blame when hurricane zombie hits and the gubmint comes to “help you”.
’ isnt America about sharing?”
Response: “Stealing isn’t sharing. To take my money, against my will, with the threat of fines or jail time if I don’t give it, is not sharing.”
“If you understand yourself and you understand your opponents, then in one hundred battles, you will never be defeated.”
In both the Revolutionary War and Civil War there were elements of most families on opposite sides of the conflicts...that’s the way things fall out. They are so arrogant that they cannot even acknowledge the fact that they are vulnerable in every aspect of surviving a conflict.
I tried to convince her that 1) Romney can't overturn Roe v. Wade, he has to appoint SCOTUS judges first, and then there has to be a case, 2) overturning Roe v. Wade doesn't "ban abortion," it only puts the issue back to the states to decide, and 3) the state she lives in (Florida) would not vote to ban abortion.
BTW, she's 71.
It's hard to see people we love and (at least partially) respect buy into the socialist lies. Family against family, friend against friend. As I've said before, the Second Civil War has been going on "under the radar" for years; with Obozo's re-election, the time for choosing is closer than ever. I know for some it will be easier than for others -- conservatives who live in very rural, less populated areas won't understand much of the angst that those of us who live in "suburbia" or in cities will go through.
What I believe now, is that all I can do is teach my children the truth of things. It'll be hard. I tell them pretty bluntly, that much if not most of what they learn about the "president" and the government will be lies, and that they'll be bombarded with information that is purely false. I take them to church, teach them to pray, and talk about the lessons given in the bible. I tell them that they need to be brave enough to speak the truth in the face of, what's sure to be, disbelief and mockery. I'm realistic enough to know that they will reject much of what I tell them..... at least, until they're older. All I can do is try, and pray, hope and believe that they will be a part of a generation that returns to our true American roots.
But along with that, my anger and loathing of All Things Leftist is there. And I want my children to learn that as well. I guess some would say it's a sin to teach hatred, but I will anyway, because for me, loving Truth and loving America cannot in any way compromise with the Left. And I will intrinsically HATE the Left until the day I die.
Doesn’t anything get to these people? Detroit? Benghazi? War on Poverty since 1965? Everything’s explained away in their minds except the stereotypes of the rich of the Republicans that seem to be carved in stone?
Thanks for the Jefferson quote.
I’ve thought a lot in the last two days about what the Founders had to go through. It has made me appreciate even more the sacrifices they made and the risks they took.
what pisses me off these “unbelievable lack of information, complete ignorance of history, acceptance of propaganda as fact, and just the stupidity and immorality people” are dragging us with them. It’s like being forced to swim with them in a pond full of alligators when we know the outcome they are oblivious to. They go on living thier lives in a complete coma while we are waiting for the ax to fall. I also had the same experience with my family over the holiday, I was greeted by an Obama sticker on the rear of my nieces vehicle along with a coexist bumpersticker upon entering her home. The damage is done, we only have each other, find like minds to keep your sanity. We need to adopt the same tactics as our enemies come the new year.
I fee yer pain, friend. Your description of your family members mirrors my own.
It does hurt when your own relatives begin to treat you like some form of pestilence because of your politics, and when they refuse to inspect and analyze a single argument you're making to inform them of the reasons for your core beliefs.
In the end, I had to get real with the fact that these are grown people, and that the best I can do for them, is to lead them to the water. I cannot make them drink it. If they choose to ally themselves with an evil, which, unfettered and unopposed, will quite literally destroy all that has been achieved in this country, then I have to accept that fact, despite the emotional strings attached.
In the Civil War, my G-G-G grandfather fought for the Confederacy, while his brother served with the union. Fortunately, they never met in battle, and both survived the war, though had they done so, it's a near certainty that one would have shot the other.
Such is the state of the political divide in many families today - including my own. I don't like it, but I do accept the reality of it.
Don’t kid yourself, the only shootings you’re gonna see are nightly in Detroit and once a year at department stores on Black Friday.
Ruby Ridge and Waco went by and have been forgotten. Bread and circuses.
My view is this, they are the enemies of individual freedom and therefore my enemy, period, regardless of who they are and that includes blood. I`ll not be a slave of the state and if they want slavery then let them have it, in their own peoples dis-topia, there are plenty of areas for it, look at the county breakdown of the country`s political affiliation, as for me I`m moving to a red area of a red state, when the zombie apocalypse occurs, I`ll at least have a chance.
It helps to keep in mind that time and events will prove us right.
It helps to keep in mind that time and events will prove us right.
“Nazi Germany pushed people into a nationalistic frenzy wherein they were expected, if not required, to work hard for the state. Can you imagine many of the Obama voters working hard?”
No totalitarian state looks kindly upon malingerers. The stupid and the lazy will be press-ganged into some form of work, probably mindless and sweaty. I wonder if they will realize how better off they would have been working hard under freedom and capitalism instead of toiling just to earn their “freebies”?
Perhaps as late as two years ago, I might have still walked through that door. Today, I'm not so sure that I could do it. Thankfully, I live fifteen hundred miles from my extended family, so that's not something I have to deal with. If I were still living in the same region as them, I'm sure my name would already be permanently off the guest list.
The older I get, the more I understand why even those who didn’t support slavery still supported the Confederacy.
I feel pretty good. Look at what’s happening to Jesse Jackson, Junior. If ever there was a guy that was going to be saved by the Democrats, you have to believe it would be junior. He was elected, what, eight times? Son of one of the big hitters in the Democrat party. Re-elected while under investigation. Hiding in a mental hospital. A Chicago guy. Yet, the rascal is going to jail. Let me tell you, that has to send a chill through the Democrats. I’m feeling pretty good. Who’s next in the Democrat party?
“If you understand yourself and you understand your opponents, then in one hundred battles, you will never be defeated.
If you understand yourself and you understand your opponents AND HAVE LOTS OF GUNS AND AMMO, then in one hundred battles, you will never be defeated.
i am severing relationships with a couple of obamanistas (acupuncturist and massage person) and tell them taxes are going up, income is going down, and my job potential for what i was making is ZERO. i will find alternatives. elections have consequences. the feral government is an enemy of the people.
isnt America about sharing?”
Private charity is much more efficient than the government. As I recall, something like 80% of government “programs” for the poor get spent BY the government (and that may be a lowball estimate).
Your brother may be book smart but, like all libtards, he “feels” rather than thinks and has no common sense.
I don’t associate with lefties except the ones I must (at work) and I refuse to discuss politics with them. Most of them are female and libtard females in a workplace have no compunction about filing false sexual harassment claims against any male they don’t like.
Fortunately I live in a very red rural area of a very red state so there’s more of US than there are of THEM.
Obama would love to seize power like the president of Egypt. That is why he is trying load up the military with homosexuals. Until he controls a military that will follow unlawful and unconstitutional orders, he will never control the people.
Except they have armored vehicles, air superiority, control of the internet, and nukes.
The US military isn't large enough to control the people of the US. Can't do it.
Wake up and smell the Gramsci. The authoritarian State is brought to you this time by devious hegemonic benevolent forces, not the usual military oppressive “force” or through rabid revolutionary means like the well organized “Leninist” in the late 19th early 20th century. The cultural revolution is leading to the oppression; again wake up and smell the Social Theory” arising.
Listen - the enemies of our country are Obama and his administration, and all their lackeys.
When you stand up and fight against them, you are fighting for your country.
There is no expiration date!
If push comes to shove, I will have no problem upholding that oath, defending the Constitution against domestic enemys.
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.
If by “working hard” means they are given power over others, then yes I can see it. The TSA being a perfect example of this. Give them a small wage, but give them state backed power and they will be motivated to do whatever the regime wants.
“Ive thought a lot in the last two days about what the Founders had to go through. It has made me appreciate even more the sacrifices they made and the risks they took.”
A lot of them died, a lot of them were ruined. A lot of them lost big.
I’m guessing you saw Band of Brothers. My favorite line from the whole thing;
Speirs says, “The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you’re already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you’ll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function: without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it.”