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Expansion update : ACC on the brink
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Posted on 11/24/2012 9:27:55 PM PST by InvisibleChurch

The ACC is facing nearly certain extinction as a viable football conference as eight current member institutions are currently engaged in serious negotiations to depart the beleaguered conference for the Big 10, SEC or Big 12.

The Big 10 conference has received applications for membership from UVA, UNC, and Georgia Tech while FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC State and Virginia Tech have contacted the SEC about potential membership.

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1 posted on 11/24/2012 9:28:00 PM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch

What’s the point of making the SEC into a magaconference with 3 times as many teams as it started out with? Is there really a benefit into dividing all the major college football teams into 3 giant conferences?


2 posted on 11/24/2012 9:37:55 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: InvisibleChurch

Why does college football have to change for people who don’t like college football. If you need a playoff and hate bowl games, you probably don’t like college football. It’s bad enough Roger Goodell is trying to ruin the NFL. Now they are trying to ruin college football.


3 posted on 11/24/2012 9:40:58 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I’ve heard the goal of the 3 megaconferences is to tell the NCAA to get lost and write their own rules.


4 posted on 11/24/2012 9:45:14 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Ingtar

I think they will regret it. They will ending killing the goose that laid the golden egg.


5 posted on 11/24/2012 9:56:15 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I could easily see UVA and UNC in the Big 10, although they may only take one and wait for their long-awaited prize of Notre Dame to come calling, which signed a deal with the ACC just months ago.

The SEC wants markets, so they’ll ignore schools like Florida St., Miami, Georgia Tech and Clemson who would shrink the territories of Florida, Georgia and South Carolina respectively. I’m not sure the SEC wants to expand further after Texas A&M whipped the best team in their conference in the very first year but, if they are shopping, Virginia Tech would likely be their first choice and UNC their second.

That leaves the Big XII which, like the Big 10, has flunked at simple math. The 10-member conference would easily pick off Florida St. and Miami but if they want a bigger enchilada, they might grab Clemson, Georgia Tech, UNC and Virginia Tech in one big grab or, like the Big 10, may try to lure Notre Dame with the final spot. BYU may also have an outside chance.

I think everybody stops at 16 teams except the PAC-12 who may stop at 14 to create four superconferences and everybody leftover forms a new division including the Big East and the Mountain West.

The good news is that it turns the four-team playoff into a de facto eight team playoff because each conference will have a conference championship game so the CCG winners of the Pac-14, the Big XVI, the Big 16 and the SEC will be the four automatic seeds in football’s Final Four. That would take practically all the politics out of the football championship where it more resembles the Elite Eight of the NCAA basketball tournament.


6 posted on 11/24/2012 10:02:18 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: OrangeHoof
Okay, but you still haven't explained how that what improved college football. It sounds like you love professional football and you hate college football. Which is fine, but why do you have to ruin college football. Why isn't having the NFL enough, why do you have to recreate it. Personally, I like both.

It sounds like you want a league of 32 teams, and a playoff at the end. Sound familiar? College football was good. Why do you have to change it into something we already have?

7 posted on 11/24/2012 10:17:49 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: OrangeHoof

I love college football, but your rundown makes me think it’s going to be very boring in the future. And Goodell is ruining the NFL. Guess I’ll have a lot more free time on the weekends.


8 posted on 11/24/2012 10:19:24 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: InvisibleChurch

The SEC would most certainly not take FSU and Clemson. They would take UNC and maybe either UVa or VaTech. However, VaTch and UVa may be joined at the hip by the state legislature there.


9 posted on 11/24/2012 10:25:23 PM PST by JLS
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To: nickcarraway

I love college football but I hate how college football decides its champions. You’d rather have human polls and computer programs decide who is champion than playing it on the field? Okay but there are far more like me than there are like you.


10 posted on 11/24/2012 10:31:11 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: OrangeHoof

FWIW, I predicted on another board how the superconferences might lay out but this was before the most recent moves like Maryland to the Big 10:

The SEC:

Alabama*
Auburn*
Arkansas*
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU*
Mississippi*
Mississippi St.*
Missouri*
North Carolina
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas A&M*
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech
* - West Division

The Big 10:

Boston College
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Nebraska
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Minnesota
Ohio St.
Penn St.
Purdue
Rutgers
Syracuse
Wisconsin

The Big XII:

Baylor
Clemson*
Florida St.*
Georgia Tech*
Iowa St.*
Kansas
Kansas St.
Miami*
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Pitt*
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech
Virginia*
West Virginia*
*- East Division

And the Pac-14:

Air Force
Arizona
Arizona St.
California*
Colorado
Oregon*
Oregon St.*
San Diego St.
Stanford*
UCLA
USC
Utah*
Washington*
Washington St.*
* - North Division

Now, with Maryland in the Big 10, I can see Virginia joining them with Boston College and Syracuse out unless Notre Dame refuses to join.


11 posted on 11/24/2012 10:45:32 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: OrangeHoof

I like college football because it’s messy and it gives everyone the ability to have their opinion and argue about it. Why can’t we have one sport that’s not antiseptic, anal retentive, pre-programmed, chlorinated, etc. Isn’t it fun to have a little messy once in a while?


12 posted on 11/24/2012 10:50:13 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: OrangeHoof
It's going to be very boring. Now that sports writers and computers will get to choose who the winners are in advance, and 95% of the teams will be playing for nothing. Tonight, USC played Notre Dame. At the beginning of the season, USC was ranked #1 and Notre Dame was unranked. Who could believe what would happen. But that's too messy. We should have just had a playoff between bUSC and Alabama, and take all the fun out of it.

The funny thing about your excuse. A few weeks ago, everyone was in a tizzy, because 4 teams were undefeated. Egad!. But guess what, 3 of those teams lost, and only one remains undefeated. So, tell me again, why are you in such a tizzy, because your fears didn't pan out?

Now we can have playoffs with predermined sportswriters' favorites, and we can have playoff with a bunch of boring blowout games. Yeah! We threw 100 years of tradition in the trash. It's like the Obama of football. And you are on the Obama side.

13 posted on 11/24/2012 10:56:54 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Messy is why we have congress.


14 posted on 11/24/2012 10:57:10 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: OrangeHoof

I guess there will never be any debates into who should go into the playoffs. Maybe the top 4 SEC teams should just be in a playoff.


15 posted on 11/24/2012 10:59:28 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Oh contraire. I want the sportswriters and the computers thrown out of the process entirely. See:

You have four major superconferences. As each will have 12 or more members, they will all have conference championship games to decide their champion. The four champions of the four conferences can then play a playoff amongst the final four.

You can call it boring but the money will be huge and the prestige higher this way than the current polarizing political method.

Imagine if Alabama and Georgia met for the SEC title, Kansas St. and Florida State met for the Big XII title, UCLA and Stanford played in the Pac-14 title game and Nebraska met Wisconsin for the Big 10 title* (without Ohio St.which would replace Ohio St. except it is on probation).

Then the winner of those four games seed the Final Four to determine the National Championship. In this continued “what if” scenario, Alabama plays Kansas St. and Stanford plays Nebraska for the berths in the title game.

The beauty is the winners are determined on the field, not with a slide rule or with an idiot poll.


16 posted on 11/24/2012 11:08:54 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: OrangeHoof
You can call it boring but the money will be huge

There you go. You care about money, I care about football. You want to watch your money, and I want to watch my football. You don't want me to be able to watch my football. I don't want your George Soros-style OCD football. Why can't you switch to soccer. You can have even bigger money there, because it can translate worldwide. Or whatever. Soccer is just what you need. It has all the big money and cleanliness you want, with out the messiness, the Americanness, and tradition you abhor. Please.

17 posted on 11/24/2012 11:17:34 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: OrangeHoof

You don’t get it. The media is salivating, because under the new system they get to decide everything. They have total control. Now, all the teams will load up their schedules with puffball high-school-level opponents. And the sportswriters can keep the same 8 teams in the playoff, no matter which teams are better. Yawn.


18 posted on 11/24/2012 11:20:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: InvisibleChurch

The purpose of college is to educate promising young intellects, not to prepare functional illiterates for multimillion dollar paydays for their gladiatorial efforts ... oh wait, I am distracting you all from the incredibly effective efforts of the Investment Bank Party (ie REPUBLICRATS) to distract you from the outright gutting of what it took 200 years for this country to build ... sincerest apologies


19 posted on 11/25/2012 12:43:26 AM PST by Zauber
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To: OrangeHoof

ND is playing for a national championship this year. They are once more relevant. They won’t join a conference. A few more 5or 6 win seasons and they may have thrown in the towel but not now and not soon.


20 posted on 11/25/2012 1:02:02 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: nickcarraway

Nick i watch hours of CFB every Saturday and it’s not a matter of you caring for the sport or me or Hoof. It IS about money. Thats driving everything and we the fans can only hope what emerges is still something we can spend 6 days a week looking forward to.


21 posted on 11/25/2012 1:05:20 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen

Well, if you don’t like it, why would you keep paying money for it?


22 posted on 11/25/2012 1:09:47 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: wiggen

By the way, it’s the same with the Constitution.


23 posted on 11/25/2012 1:11:15 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: OrangeHoof

A more realistic scenario, Alabama LSU Georgia are the best three teams in the country.Only one gets to play for the national championship. College football is flawed beyond repair as far as national championships are concerned. A playoff system will never be any better than the old bowl system was.


24 posted on 11/25/2012 1:38:14 AM PST by Figment
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To: nickcarraway

Me? Its the networks. I live in NYC not exactly a mecca of CFB. Besides the networks schools have alumni who will watch any game their teams is in.


25 posted on 11/25/2012 2:12:56 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: nickcarraway
I like college football because it’s messy and it gives everyone the ability to have their opinion and argue about it. Why can’t we have one sport that’s not antiseptic, anal retentive, pre-programmed, chlorinated, etc. Isn’t it fun to have a little messy once in a while?

This.

26 posted on 11/25/2012 4:24:05 AM PST by pilipo (GOP=Gutless Old Party)
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To: Zauber

No need to apologize. The reason for all this is, of course, money. Jim Delaney, Big Ten commisioner, was hired to make $$$ for them and he has payed off in spades. The Big Ten Network brings each school about $6,000,000 for doing nothing more than exsting. Football, even at my beloved Indiana University (Go IU basketball, Go Coach Tom Crean!) is the main dollar generator that keeps all other sports viable. Of course IU b-ball sustains itself but few other schools can claim that.


27 posted on 11/25/2012 5:22:37 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (the mature Christian is almost impossible to offend)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Duke is liking their chances to win an ACC football title more and more


28 posted on 11/25/2012 6:29:01 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: InvisibleChurch

Conference realignment is being driven by the TV market.

The old College football model, 8 regular season games, and possibly a bowl game, was perfect for weekenders. Four times a year, you’d drive to the game, even if some distance. Then, when your team was invited to a bowl, you’d travel to it, after Chirstmas.

This model has been changed big time. College teams now play 12 regular season games, sometimes there are conference championship games, and just about every bowl-eligible team is in some kind of bowl.

I, for one, like the 8-team playoff idea, and I think it could be worked into the current bowl set-up (with the elimination of conference championships).

As for mega-conferences: the continuing evolution of the college game will never stop. Allowing the well-established conferences to incrementally change, by adding members, is good. The Big East, Mountain West and C-USA serve a useful purpose in being stepping stone conferences.

The ACC is stronger in football than the Big East, and now with the switch of Syracuse and Pittsburgh, it’s also stronger in basketball. But, it isn’t the Southeast Conference.

Nor does the ACC have the markets that would make it attractive to TV networks.

In a strange way, the Big East, by being forced to go nationwide, is well-positioned for TV (assuming the conference could field a credible product). The Big East is represented by full members in Florida and Texas, and by football-only members in the Rocky Mountain and Pacific Coast regions.

The very idea of “football-only members” is terrific. It allows a conference to have a discernible footprint, for basketball, the Olympic sports, and so forth, and at the same time assemble markets attractive to a network.

Plus, by poaching the Mountain West and C-USA of their better teams, the Big East keeps itself as the best of the stepping stone conferences. But, I’ll just tell you, it has been like walking on ice.

Besides what I’ve said above, in this football-dominated world, the ACC and the Big East, which have been the best basketball conferences for the past several decades, are a bit left out.


29 posted on 11/25/2012 6:51:58 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: InvisibleChurch
Sources close to WVU with ties to Ohio State President E. Gorden Gee confirm...

This article is four days old and its source for ALL of its information is a WVU guy who supposedly knows another WVU guy who supposedly has ties to the OSU president who supposedly gets ALL of this information from who the heck knows where.

Rumors abound. Folks from WVU, the Big Whatever and the BiG(Sic) certainly want to destabilize the ACC. The ACC with member schools up and down the east coast certainly does have potential to put together a big media deal so I'm not sure how the article can claim that the ACC doesn't have any markets.

Anyway a Grant of Rights would have to be signed off by all of the schools. We will see what happens this week.

The ACC could become something pretty big, or it may disappear. And if the ACC does become something big, it's WVU that will be hurt the most by this. And that's where the unnamed source of all of the info in this article comes from.

30 posted on 11/25/2012 8:08:01 AM PST by FreeReign
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