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Sorry, Vegans: Eating Meat and Cooking Food Made Us Human
MSNBC ^ | 11/19/2012 | Christopher Wanjek

Posted on 11/25/2012 12:20:00 AM PST by nickcarraway

High caloric intake enabled brains of our prehuman ancestors to grow dramatically

Vegetarian, vegan and raw diets can be healthy — likely far healthier than the typical American diet. But to continue to call these diets "natural" for humans, in terms of evolution, is a bit of a stretch, according to two recent, independent studies.

Eating meat and cooking food made us human, the studies suggest, enabling the brains of our prehuman ancestors to grow dramatically over a period of a few million years. Although this isn't the first such assertion from archaeologists and evolutionary biologists, the new studies demonstrate, respectively, that it would have been biologically implausible for humans to evolve such a large brain on a raw, vegan diet and that meat-eating was a crucial element of human evolution at least 1 million years before the dawn of humankind.

Shhh, don't tell the gorillas

At the core of this research is the understanding that the modern human brain consumes 20 percent of the body's energy at rest, twice that of other primates. Meat and cooked foods were needed to provide the necessary calorie boost to feed a growing brain.

One study, published last month in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, examined the brain sizes of several primates. For the most part, larger bodies have larger brains across species. Yet humans have exceptionally large, neuron-rich brains for our body size, while gorillas — three times more massive than humans — have smaller brains and three times fewer neurons. Why?

The answer, it seems, is the gorillas' raw, vegan diet (devoid of animal protein), which requires hours upon hours of eating only plants to provide enough calories to support their mass.

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1 posted on 11/25/2012 12:20:08 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Like I keep telling vegetarians and vegans, we didn’t kill our way to the top of the food chain only to eat a few leaves.

If we weren’t able to digest it, we would’ve found that out a long time ago.

If we couldn’t chew it, we’d either eat it as a paste, or not at all.

They’ll never understand it.


2 posted on 11/25/2012 1:23:16 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: wastedyears
I think any form of extremes are bad -- food wise too. For instance, it's good to eat vegetables -- lots of them, and also raw veggies, but it's also good to eat some meat.

even red meat in moderation is good.

We shouldn't be sitting down to a fatty meat every day, but once in a while, ok

3 posted on 11/25/2012 1:30:32 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

I’m not saying we should eat half a cow daily, but the simple fact is, humans function best when meat is in the diet.


4 posted on 11/25/2012 1:52:56 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: nickcarraway

“The answer, it seems, is the gorillas’ raw, vegan diet (devoid of animal protein), which requires hours upon hours of eating only plants to provide enough calories to support their mass.”

Naw. gorillas don’t need big brains since all they think about is how lousy those plants and leaves taste and where they can get a double bacon cheese burger.


5 posted on 11/25/2012 2:00:59 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: nickcarraway

Oh well. Thought I would be seeing an actual full-hearted tell-off to the vegans out of MSDNC. Instead, I see evolutionary nonsense mixed in about gorillas and whatnot. (Chimps hunt animals for food, but it doesn’t put their intelligence at human level.) If I were in the article author’s place, I’d have the flame-retardant suit on before the libs remind him that gorillas are eight times stronger than Olympic weightlifters, on average . . . (ain’t got a thing to do with diet)


6 posted on 11/25/2012 2:30:14 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Cronos

For as long as mankind has lived outside of the tropics, he has eaten something other than vegetables for a good portion of the year.

Bears eat what they can when they can. They’ll pound down the salmon for a month, and then pound down berries for a month. They might eat some honey or a rotten moose.

Vegans are the oddest people with the most unnatural ideas.


7 posted on 11/25/2012 2:55:56 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

“Bears eat what they can when they can.”

You forgot tourists, they are particularly fond of that delicacy!


8 posted on 11/25/2012 3:01:12 AM PST by FrogMom (Chicken Little is coming, and he's right!)
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To: SampleMan

Nice green salads have a place. Before the main course of a 24 oz. steak grilled to perfection.


9 posted on 11/25/2012 3:06:09 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: FrogMom

Unless you’re Yogi, and then you raid picanic baskets.


10 posted on 11/25/2012 3:06:58 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: nickcarraway

The author manages to contradict himself with the final statemenst about there being many good reasons to go vegetarian or vegan when he just wrote a great expose detailing why going vegan or vegetarian would have made us all puny idiots. If going v and v would have made us inferior now, it will then make us inferior in the future. Moral of the story: to stay strong and smart, eat meat.


11 posted on 11/25/2012 3:14:50 AM PST by driftless2
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To: wastedyears

I never saw a lion that got fat on daisies.....


12 posted on 11/25/2012 3:29:18 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: nickcarraway

high grade animal protein increased our brain power and gave us time away from dumb grazing animals, to increase our intellect and ponder our next moves...which developed into science and art.


13 posted on 11/25/2012 3:42:09 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: nickcarraway
The girl I know who was a real vegan/environmentalist looked totally emmaciated and was screwed up in the head, too.

I think that's the problem in the schools, too. These kids need REAL protein....eggs, meat and dairy. Stop the rabbit diet.

14 posted on 11/25/2012 3:51:27 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Unless you’re Yogi, and then you raid picanic baskets.


Hey! I resemble that remark!

15 posted on 11/25/2012 3:54:16 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: Sacajaweau

Rabbits eat bugs (not as in bunny) too don’t they?


16 posted on 11/25/2012 3:55:26 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If the rose bush has aphids, they do.

We had a bunny. It totally ate my HUGE house plant. Bunnies are not trustworthy.

I have a nice rabbit coat.

17 posted on 11/25/2012 4:12:48 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

You trusted the rabbit for that coat


18 posted on 11/25/2012 4:13:34 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: SampleMan

vegan is ancient pri-mordal word for ...”bad hunter”


19 posted on 11/25/2012 4:21:35 AM PST by albertabound
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To: driftless2
The author manages to contradict himself with the final statemenst about there being many good reasons to go vegetarian or vegan when he just wrote a great expose detailing why going vegan or vegetarian would have made us all puny idiots.

The author of the article is a science writer, not a scientist, expressing pure opinion with that statement.

People try pure vegan diets, but I have yet to hear of someone sticking with one permanently. There also isn't any research establishing that such diets are actually healthy. Nor is there any scientific reason to believe that vegetarianism is somehow better for the environment. I know that there is a lot of hype claiming scientific support for these assertions, but reading the original science articles reveals that the scientific basis isn't there.

20 posted on 11/25/2012 4:41:25 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Actually, it took about 100 rabbits to make the coat.

And rabbit itself....tastes like chicken.

I wear elk moccasins...inside and out...can't wear the damn things out. Love'm.

I also have a full length seal coat that I got at a garage sale for $4.00. The skins say Africa. It's over 100 years old. Velvet is like brillo compared to sealskin. Awesome.

This is how I believe. "God didn't make anything on earth just for the mere sake of beauty. He left that to the sun and moon and stars. And we stand in awe of such wonders."

21 posted on 11/25/2012 4:50:09 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: driftless2
If going v and v would have made us inferior now, it will then make us inferior in the future.

In the early 17th century, the Sikhs switched their policy from pacifism to armed resistance against Muslim oppression.

To further this switch, although they had previously been vegetarians, they were instructed by their Guru to eat meat so they would grow strong.

22 posted on 11/25/2012 4:54:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: nickcarraway

Almost all mammalian herbivores have gut specializations and flora that allow them to kinda retain and “ferment” their foods.

No such items in humans.

Actually, human “pass through” time is more like carnivores, who digest and pass through their foods quickly.


23 posted on 11/25/2012 5:28:17 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: Vaquero
Very true, including the horticulture and agriculture necessary to allow vegans and their ilk that consume milk, cheese and eggs to survive.

It also provided leisure for music, dance and various intoxicants leading to self-awareness.

24 posted on 11/25/2012 5:54:46 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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To: nickcarraway

This certainly explains why vegans are always narrow minded small brain people.


25 posted on 11/25/2012 6:07:28 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
allow vegans and their ilk that consume milk, cheese and eggs to survive.

no....vegetarians maybe...but vegans eat NO products that originate from any animals. they are like sheep.

26 posted on 11/25/2012 6:16:59 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: Cronos

That is what is so good about meat, you don’t need that much and it replaces so many bananas or apples when it comes to protiens and amino acids.

You’d have to eat 23 bananas to get the protien from 3 oz of lean ground beef. Bananas are good but for totally different reasons.

It is called balance and eating to get the nutrients your body needs.


27 posted on 11/25/2012 6:23:23 AM PST by tiki
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To: nickcarraway; All

Xlent web page showing info about diet, digestion, etc.
http://www.raising-rabbits.com/carnivore-digestive-system.html


28 posted on 11/25/2012 6:23:54 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: SampleMan
For as long as mankind has lived outside of the tropics, he has eaten something other than vegetables for a good portion of the year.

As an extreme example, the Eskimos. Not that much vegetation up on the Arctic Circle, so their traditional diet is predominantly meat, fish, birds and bird eggs.

29 posted on 11/25/2012 6:33:58 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Add to that the populations of northern Siberia and the Laplanders whose diet and life support systems consist almost entirely of one single animal:

Rudolph!

Some limited fish and seal, but not much.

The reindeer are the only large animal that can eke out an existence from the lichens and very sparse vegetation.
They eat the plants.
The people eat the reindeer.


30 posted on 11/25/2012 6:44:09 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: nickcarraway

The cow ate the grass.

I ate the steak.

There is symmetry.


31 posted on 11/25/2012 6:45:03 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: nickcarraway

And alcohol focused that brainpower into civilization, and provided sterilized water to drink.

Fermentation required a basic scientific and manufacturing process. Alcohol killed off all the nasties living in most water.

Here’s to steak and beer!


32 posted on 11/25/2012 6:52:11 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: nickcarraway

And alcohol focused that brainpower into civilization, and provided sterilized water to drink.

Fermentation required a basic scientific and manufacturing process. Alcohol killed off all the nasties living in most water.

Here’s to steak and beer!


33 posted on 11/25/2012 6:52:14 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: nickcarraway
tell the weed eaters to file down their canine teeth so they can be more like their cud chewing idols...
34 posted on 11/25/2012 6:55:27 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: djf
Add to that the populations of northern Siberia and the Laplanders

And let's not forget the Plains Indians before white settlers came. There's not much on the plains but grass and buffalo. The buffalo ate the grass and the Indians ate the buffalo.

Environmentally-correct education bemoans the "senseless slaughter" of the buffalo herds when the white man came, but there was a very rational purpose behind it. The Indians were nomadic and very hard for the US Cavalry to track down, and could put up a fight when they WERE found, as General Custer discovered. But the Indians could not survive without buffalo, so if you want to get rid of the Indians, the simplest method was to get rid of the buffalo.

35 posted on 11/25/2012 7:00:23 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: nickcarraway
I'm an omnivore...always have been,always will be.I've always loved fruits,vegetables and grains.Absolutely love them.And I've also always loved beef,chicken,lamb,pork,eggs and milk.

Human beings were designed by God (or by "Mother Nature",for all you atheists) to be omnivores.Anyone needing proof should ask any dentist.

36 posted on 11/25/2012 7:08:21 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: exDemMom

I certainly don’t advocate anyone start eating large amounts of fatty meat every day, but the food nazis can drive a person over the edge. I’ve heard a few claim humans didn’t start eating meat until about ten thousand years ago because of some huge food crisis. I asked one young veggietarian who told me that story why humans have incisors and not all molars. He had no answer.


37 posted on 11/25/2012 7:50:41 AM PST by driftless2
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To: nickcarraway
Kiddo's college room mates are vegan. But, but they take supplements!!! Uh, hellooo, if they have to take a supplement then something is seriously lacking in their diet.
38 posted on 11/25/2012 7:51:34 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: nickcarraway

Not too long ago, a scientist studying nutrition was puzzled, because he wanted to know the nutritional difference between raw and cooked food, and couldn’t find any research about it.

Then he discovered that when calories of food were determined with an elaborate device called a calorimeter, which determines calories by incinerating food, no distinction was made between raw and cooked food.

He knew that digestion can only get a fraction of the nutrition from raw food compared to cooked food, so there should be a huge difference in “available calories”.

To check this out, he studied people who were on a raw food only diet, and discovered that even if they ate considerably more raw food calories, almost every one had at least some form of malnutrition.

The implications of this are that the calorie tables put on food are wildly inaccurate, and need significant adjustment. Proteins, fats, carbohydrates and their subset sugars, as well as vitamins and minerals, are all very different from what they are alleged to be.

However, it is not easy to tell how much nutrition is obtained from food, and how high up in the digestive tract. But until this is done, nutritional labels on food are wrong.


39 posted on 11/25/2012 7:52:05 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: nickcarraway

***Vegetarian, vegan and raw diets can be healthy — likely far healthier than the typical American diet.***

I know a woman who has never eaten meat. She is a health basketcase. Thin as a rail, constantly sick, Tries to live a “naural” life. Needs to smoke “medical marijuana” to ease her pains. Seventh Day Adventist. Nuff said.


40 posted on 11/25/2012 8:01:44 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: djf

***Actually, human “pass through” time is more like carnivores, who digest and pass through their foods quickly.***

I challenge that statement! Last week I had nothing to eat all day. That evening I ate some Vienna Sausages with Jalepeno peppers in them. Four hours later they came through and were still HOT!


41 posted on 11/25/2012 8:07:23 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Years ago, after word got out that some Eskimos had killed a whale for food, some Vegans went to Alaska to try and talk the Eskimos to eat a vegan diet. They were laughted out of camp.


42 posted on 11/25/2012 8:09:47 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: bgill
Hundred bucks says your kiddo's college roommates say they're vegans, but really aren't.


43 posted on 11/25/2012 8:12:36 AM PST by Scoutmaster
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Needs to smoke “medical marijuana” to ease her pains.

I've been a carnivore (or,more accurately,an omnivore) my entire life and I've never had to smoke marijuana,"medical" or otherwise,for any pain,*ever*.The only real pain I've ever had was hip pain and a hip replacement was the only thing I needed.

44 posted on 11/25/2012 8:23:49 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: nickcarraway

Vegan. Never met one that didn’t have serious medical issues they didn’t dismiss as having nothing to do with being idiots. They are usually in very poor health.


45 posted on 11/25/2012 8:45:10 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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Vegan. Never met one that didn’t have serious medical issues they didn’t dismiss as having nothing to do with being idiots. They are usually in very poor health.

I've never met a vegan who didn't use some sort of "medical supplement" -- pot or nicotine. Usually pot.

46 posted on 11/25/2012 8:49:06 AM PST by thecodont
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To: CodeToad
Vegan. Never met one that didn’t have serious medical issues they didn’t dismiss as having nothing to do with being idiots. They are usually in very poor health.

While it's hard to be healthy as a vegan, it can be done as a vegetarian who also eats egg and milk products. A friend of one of my kids is that kind of vegetarian, and she's a healthy athlete.

47 posted on 11/25/2012 9:31:24 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Sure, because you are introducing the proteins needed. I know a number of non-meat eating people that use dairy products just fine.


48 posted on 11/25/2012 9:52:57 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: SampleMan

yup, they are one extreme — but the heavy-duty meat diet that we have isn’t completely healthy either. There’s a balance


49 posted on 11/25/2012 10:17:20 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: nickcarraway

For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Rom. 14:2.


50 posted on 11/25/2012 10:41:26 AM PST by fish hawk
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