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Sorry, Vegans: Eating Meat and Cooking Food Made Us Human
MSNBC ^ | 11/19/2012 | Christopher Wanjek

Posted on 11/25/2012 12:20:00 AM PST by nickcarraway

High caloric intake enabled brains of our prehuman ancestors to grow dramatically

Vegetarian, vegan and raw diets can be healthy — likely far healthier than the typical American diet. But to continue to call these diets "natural" for humans, in terms of evolution, is a bit of a stretch, according to two recent, independent studies.

Eating meat and cooking food made us human, the studies suggest, enabling the brains of our prehuman ancestors to grow dramatically over a period of a few million years. Although this isn't the first such assertion from archaeologists and evolutionary biologists, the new studies demonstrate, respectively, that it would have been biologically implausible for humans to evolve such a large brain on a raw, vegan diet and that meat-eating was a crucial element of human evolution at least 1 million years before the dawn of humankind.

Shhh, don't tell the gorillas

At the core of this research is the understanding that the modern human brain consumes 20 percent of the body's energy at rest, twice that of other primates. Meat and cooked foods were needed to provide the necessary calorie boost to feed a growing brain.

One study, published last month in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, examined the brain sizes of several primates. For the most part, larger bodies have larger brains across species. Yet humans have exceptionally large, neuron-rich brains for our body size, while gorillas — three times more massive than humans — have smaller brains and three times fewer neurons. Why?

The answer, it seems, is the gorillas' raw, vegan diet (devoid of animal protein), which requires hours upon hours of eating only plants to provide enough calories to support their mass.

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TOPICS: Food; Health/Medicine; History
KEYWORDS: dietandcuisine; godsgravesglyphs
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Actually, it took about 100 rabbits to make the coat.

And rabbit itself....tastes like chicken.

I wear elk moccasins...inside and out...can't wear the damn things out. Love'm.

I also have a full length seal coat that I got at a garage sale for $4.00. The skins say Africa. It's over 100 years old. Velvet is like brillo compared to sealskin. Awesome.

This is how I believe. "God didn't make anything on earth just for the mere sake of beauty. He left that to the sun and moon and stars. And we stand in awe of such wonders."

21 posted on 11/25/2012 4:50:09 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: driftless2
If going v and v would have made us inferior now, it will then make us inferior in the future.

In the early 17th century, the Sikhs switched their policy from pacifism to armed resistance against Muslim oppression.

To further this switch, although they had previously been vegetarians, they were instructed by their Guru to eat meat so they would grow strong.

22 posted on 11/25/2012 4:54:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: nickcarraway

Almost all mammalian herbivores have gut specializations and flora that allow them to kinda retain and “ferment” their foods.

No such items in humans.

Actually, human “pass through” time is more like carnivores, who digest and pass through their foods quickly.


23 posted on 11/25/2012 5:28:17 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: Vaquero
Very true, including the horticulture and agriculture necessary to allow vegans and their ilk that consume milk, cheese and eggs to survive.

It also provided leisure for music, dance and various intoxicants leading to self-awareness.

24 posted on 11/25/2012 5:54:46 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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To: nickcarraway

This certainly explains why vegans are always narrow minded small brain people.


25 posted on 11/25/2012 6:07:28 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
allow vegans and their ilk that consume milk, cheese and eggs to survive.

no....vegetarians maybe...but vegans eat NO products that originate from any animals. they are like sheep.

26 posted on 11/25/2012 6:16:59 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: Cronos

That is what is so good about meat, you don’t need that much and it replaces so many bananas or apples when it comes to protiens and amino acids.

You’d have to eat 23 bananas to get the protien from 3 oz of lean ground beef. Bananas are good but for totally different reasons.

It is called balance and eating to get the nutrients your body needs.


27 posted on 11/25/2012 6:23:23 AM PST by tiki
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To: nickcarraway; All

Xlent web page showing info about diet, digestion, etc.
http://www.raising-rabbits.com/carnivore-digestive-system.html


28 posted on 11/25/2012 6:23:54 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: SampleMan
For as long as mankind has lived outside of the tropics, he has eaten something other than vegetables for a good portion of the year.

As an extreme example, the Eskimos. Not that much vegetation up on the Arctic Circle, so their traditional diet is predominantly meat, fish, birds and bird eggs.

29 posted on 11/25/2012 6:33:58 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Add to that the populations of northern Siberia and the Laplanders whose diet and life support systems consist almost entirely of one single animal:

Rudolph!

Some limited fish and seal, but not much.

The reindeer are the only large animal that can eke out an existence from the lichens and very sparse vegetation.
They eat the plants.
The people eat the reindeer.


30 posted on 11/25/2012 6:44:09 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: nickcarraway

The cow ate the grass.

I ate the steak.

There is symmetry.


31 posted on 11/25/2012 6:45:03 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: nickcarraway

And alcohol focused that brainpower into civilization, and provided sterilized water to drink.

Fermentation required a basic scientific and manufacturing process. Alcohol killed off all the nasties living in most water.

Here’s to steak and beer!


32 posted on 11/25/2012 6:52:11 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: nickcarraway

And alcohol focused that brainpower into civilization, and provided sterilized water to drink.

Fermentation required a basic scientific and manufacturing process. Alcohol killed off all the nasties living in most water.

Here’s to steak and beer!


33 posted on 11/25/2012 6:52:14 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: nickcarraway
tell the weed eaters to file down their canine teeth so they can be more like their cud chewing idols...
34 posted on 11/25/2012 6:55:27 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: djf
Add to that the populations of northern Siberia and the Laplanders

And let's not forget the Plains Indians before white settlers came. There's not much on the plains but grass and buffalo. The buffalo ate the grass and the Indians ate the buffalo.

Environmentally-correct education bemoans the "senseless slaughter" of the buffalo herds when the white man came, but there was a very rational purpose behind it. The Indians were nomadic and very hard for the US Cavalry to track down, and could put up a fight when they WERE found, as General Custer discovered. But the Indians could not survive without buffalo, so if you want to get rid of the Indians, the simplest method was to get rid of the buffalo.

35 posted on 11/25/2012 7:00:23 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: nickcarraway
I'm an omnivore...always have been,always will be.I've always loved fruits,vegetables and grains.Absolutely love them.And I've also always loved beef,chicken,lamb,pork,eggs and milk.

Human beings were designed by God (or by "Mother Nature",for all you atheists) to be omnivores.Anyone needing proof should ask any dentist.

36 posted on 11/25/2012 7:08:21 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: exDemMom

I certainly don’t advocate anyone start eating large amounts of fatty meat every day, but the food nazis can drive a person over the edge. I’ve heard a few claim humans didn’t start eating meat until about ten thousand years ago because of some huge food crisis. I asked one young veggietarian who told me that story why humans have incisors and not all molars. He had no answer.


37 posted on 11/25/2012 7:50:41 AM PST by driftless2
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To: nickcarraway
Kiddo's college room mates are vegan. But, but they take supplements!!! Uh, hellooo, if they have to take a supplement then something is seriously lacking in their diet.
38 posted on 11/25/2012 7:51:34 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: nickcarraway

Not too long ago, a scientist studying nutrition was puzzled, because he wanted to know the nutritional difference between raw and cooked food, and couldn’t find any research about it.

Then he discovered that when calories of food were determined with an elaborate device called a calorimeter, which determines calories by incinerating food, no distinction was made between raw and cooked food.

He knew that digestion can only get a fraction of the nutrition from raw food compared to cooked food, so there should be a huge difference in “available calories”.

To check this out, he studied people who were on a raw food only diet, and discovered that even if they ate considerably more raw food calories, almost every one had at least some form of malnutrition.

The implications of this are that the calorie tables put on food are wildly inaccurate, and need significant adjustment. Proteins, fats, carbohydrates and their subset sugars, as well as vitamins and minerals, are all very different from what they are alleged to be.

However, it is not easy to tell how much nutrition is obtained from food, and how high up in the digestive tract. But until this is done, nutritional labels on food are wrong.


39 posted on 11/25/2012 7:52:05 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: nickcarraway

***Vegetarian, vegan and raw diets can be healthy — likely far healthier than the typical American diet.***

I know a woman who has never eaten meat. She is a health basketcase. Thin as a rail, constantly sick, Tries to live a “naural” life. Needs to smoke “medical marijuana” to ease her pains. Seventh Day Adventist. Nuff said.


40 posted on 11/25/2012 8:01:44 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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