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Who Were the Beatniks? (Vanity)
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Posted on 11/25/2012 2:47:21 PM PST by DustyMoment

A lot of FReepers tend to blame Baby Bomers for the ills of the world. The fact is that the Baby Boomers didn't originate a lot of the counter-culture activities of the 60s, they learned them from the Beatniks. So, to help clarify where the Hippies came from, you have to know and understand who the Beatniks were. Here is their story:

Beatnik History
Imagine it is the year 1959.

You are seated at a table with a bottle of cheap red wine, a cigarette glows red in the ashtray. The place; a smoky, dimly lit, seedy, little bar in Greenwich Village, New York. A slight, bearded fellow with black sockets for eyes, listens to the rhythmic pounding of bongo drums.

A pallid, sullen, pouting girl in black stockings buries her head in a copy of HOWL.

A kid with a goatee, wearing tatty clothes, sandals and a beret smokes a bit of 'tea', and takes a long, heavy, luxurious draw of smoke.

A wide-eyed, red-eyed, streetwise, young, but old, Times square hustler surveys the scene.

A table of unwashed, uncouth, angry young men heatedly discuss the recent publication of THE NAKED LUNCH.

A girl with black-rimmed eyes, long, messy hair, wearing a large, shapeless sweater broods silently in a corner while her boy-friend, a whiskery, wiry, winsome young man nervously fingers a syrette of morphine.

A wild haired, bespectacled poet stammers out a poem to an entranced group of fresh faced poet-girls and poet-boys.

In 1959, in this smoke-clouded Greenwich Village bar, you would immediately know, if you were at all hip to the scene, that the ragged assortment of malcontents, delinquents, 'tea-heads', Bohemians, hipsters and hustlers before you, could all rather conveniently fit into the mould, effectively created and labeled by the media of the times as 'BEATS', or more sneeringly as 'BEATNIKS'.

Herbert Caen, a San Francisco journalist, first coined the term when he cried out, "I certainly don't intend to support my son if he wants to be a beatnik," meaning of course, one of those hairy, sandal wearing, coffee-house lounging, poetry spouting Bohemians. The media immediately seized upon the term as a rather "handy caricature for everyone associated with beatness." The real meaning of "beatness" lost all significance and was basically used to describe a physical type. Middle-class, conventional, smugly content Americans reading their Time and Life magazines could sit back, happy in their prosperity, and safely chuckle over the antics of the beatniks. Turtle necks, bongos and berets--what fun. Americans had become all to familiar with the beatnik but less so with the philosophy behind all of the trappings.

"I am the originator of the term, and around it the term and the generation have taken shape" wrote Jack Kerouac in a 1959 article called The Origins of the Beat Generation. The word "beat" had been used by jazz musicians, hustlers and hipsters in the 1940s as a street slang term meaning dead beat, down and out, exhausted, poor. In 1944 a Times Square street hustler and hipster named Herbert Huncke, a friend of William Burroughs walked up to Jack Kerouac and said "Man, I'm beat." "I knew right away what he meant somehow," wrote Kerouac, "I was a bum, a brakeman, a seaman, a panhandler…anything and everything, and went on writing because my hero was Goethe." In 1955 he published an excerpt from a novel he was writing called Beat Generation and the term started appearing in various publications.

In 1956 Allen Ginsbergs' Howl and Other Poems virtually exploded on to the American literary scene and seemed to scream out "beat." But in 1957 when Kerouacs' Beat Generation transmogrified into On The Road, the term "beat" suddenly became part of the American vernacular. According to Kerouac "youth had emerged cool and beat, had picked up the gestures and the style; soon it was everywhere."

The original group of Beat writers formed in New York in the mid 1940s. William S. Burroughs scion of a cultivated and established St. Louis family (his grandfather had invented the adding machine) first introduced the young Columbia university student Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac to his friend, the Times Square hustler Herbert Huncke who in turn introduced them to the druggy, jazzy New York underworld. He taught them what "beat" was all about and was instrumental in securing drugs for all of them. Burroughs became involved with a "community of outlaws" and became addicted to the drug morphine. At this point Harvard graduate Burroughs did not consider himself to be a writer. Kerouac saw him as "an eccentric scholar, traveler, seeker of the facts of life." Burroughs was on a personal quest to find an alternative style of life-alternative experiences and alternative values. He was determined to pursue experience to the fullest and sought to escape the constraints of his conservative, up-right, conventional, upper middle-class upbringing. He sought to "expand consciousness" through his travels, through sexual experimentation, through the use of narcotics, and through art. "Artists, to my mind," he wrote, "are the real architects of change."

Allen Ginsberg was a young student at Columbia University when he met the much older Burroughs(thirteen years his senior). "He educated me more than Columbia, really," claimed Ginsberg. At Columbia, Ginsberg had become dissatisfied with his economics studies, and felt himself to be an outsider as a Jewish, homosexual. He was expelled for writing on a dirty window "Butler has no balls" (referring to the president of the university). Ginsberg was restless and intent on breaking the rules and in Burroughs he had found the perfect tutor. Burroughs unconventional life-style appealed to Ginsberg who was fascinated by his introduction into the "subterranean" Times Square underworld. In 1948 Ginsberg had a series of "mystic visions" of the poet William Blake and henceforth dedicated himself to becoming a poet. When he published Howl and Other Poems in 1956, considered by poet and critic Kenneth Rexroth to be "the most remarkable single poem published by a young man since the second war," he dedicated it to Jack Kerouac, "new Buddha of American prose," William Seward Burroughs, and Neal Cassady.

When Jack Kerouac met William S. Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg some time in 1944, he had already dropped out of Columbia to enlist in the navy, been discharged, and subsequently served as a merchant seaman. His "restless exuberance" had led him back to New York where he was encouraged to write by Ginsberg and Burroughs. Kerouac was struck by the open rebelliousness, the licentiousness, the madness of his new friends. The narrator of On the Road, Sal Paradise (Kerouac himself) proclaims at one point that "the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved... the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing." It was with this mad group of beats that Kerouac was to find comradeship, inspiration and enlightenment and at the same time he acknowledged that they were "the most evil and intelligent buncha bastards and shits in America." During the 1950s the publication of Jack Kerouacs' On the Road, Allen Ginsbergs' Howl and Other Poems, and William S. Burroughs' The Naked Lunch established the authors as a rebellious literary and cultural movement bent on shaking the foundations of American society. America in the fifties was enjoying an unprecedented period of economic prosperity while "silently enduring" the destructive forces of McCarthyism, racial intolerance, political suppression, and repressive conservatism. White, middle-class America with it's passionate addiction to the dollar had become smug, corrupt, hypocritical and suspicious of the individual. The "beats" were having none of it, and as Paul O'Niel stated in a LIFE article in 1959, the beats felt that "the only way a man can call his soul his own is by becoming an outcast." Allen Ginsberg wrote of his own "awakening" in the Columbia university bookstore one day when he suddenly became aware that everyone around him appeared to be hiding some sort of "unconscious torment from one another: they all looked like horrible grotesque masks, grotesque because hiding the knowledge from one another."

Kerouac, Ginsberg, and Burroughs, were all uniquely different artists yet they shared many of the same themes and techniques. They were greatly influenced by Jazz music and the jazzy hipster New York underworld. The Jazz philosophy of "there are no wrong notes" greatly appealed to them. Jazz seemed to disregard all the rules. It was raw and emotional. The beats sought to write the way Jazz sounded with its syncopated rhythms and its screaming dissonance. Kerouac's typewriter became his musical instrument. The music of Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker resounded in his works. And Ginsberg proclaimed in his book, Howl, "Holy the groaning saxophone! Holy the bop apocalypse! Holy the Jazz bands marijuana hipsters peace and junk and drums!"

The Beats shared in their belief that modern society was lacking in spiritual values. They were opposed to the "rat race" which they felt deadened the soul, wasted time and brutalized feeling. All three artists felt the dissaffection of the outsider. They reviled the "square" who seemed to be "stuck in a rut" in his endless pursuit of the dollar. To be beat was to be appalled by the ugliness, the emptiness, the soulessness of contemporary society. To be beat was to refuse the American ideal. To reject suburban morals and values. To be beat was to come to terms with the reality of life as it was, to refuse the white-wash. The beats sought to penetrate beyond the glossy surface of things. They found conventional American society wanting in spiritual values and so they sought an alternative. They sought to expand consciousness through their travels, sexual experimentation, drugs, and delving into Zen Buddhism. Thomas F. Merrill in his study of Allen Ginsberg wrote that the beats were in effect "conscientous objectors."

Influences on Western culture

There are many authors who can claim to be influenced by the beats (see the individual articles for each of the Beat writers); but the Beat Generation phenomenon itself has had a huge influence on Western Culture overall, larger than just the effects of some writers and artists on other writers and artists.

In many ways, the Beats can be taken as the first subculture (here meaning a cultural subdivision on intellectual/artistic/lifestyle/political grounds, rather than on any obvious difference in ethnic or religious backgrounds). During the very conformist post-World War II era they were one of the forces engaged in a questioning of traditional values which produced a break with the mainstream culture that to this day people react to -- or against.

There's no question that Beats produced a great deal of interest in lifestyle experimentation (notably in regards to sex and drugs); and they had a large intellectual effect in encouraging the questioning of authority (a force behind the anti-war movement); and many of them were very active in popularizing interest in Zen Buddhism in the West.

A quotation from Allen Ginsberg's A Definition of the Beat Generation as published in Friction, 1 (Winter 1982), revised for Beat Culture and the New America:

1950-1965:

Some essential effects of Beat Generation artistic movement can be characterized in the following terms:

* Spiritual liberation, sexual "revolution" or "liberation," i.e., gay liberation, somewhat catalyzing women's liberation, black liberation, Gray Panther activism.

* Liberation of the word from censorship.

* Demystification and/or decriminalization of some laws against marijuana and other drugs.

* The evolution of rhythm and blues into rock and roll as a high art form, as evidenced by the Beatles, Bob Dylan, and other popular musicians influenced in the later fifties and sixties by Beat generation poets' and writers' works.

* The spread of ecological consciousness, emphasized early on by Gary Snyder and Michael McClure, the notion of a "Fresh Planet."

* Opposition to the military-industrial machine civilization, as emphasized in writings of Burroughs, Huncke, Ginsberg, and Kerouac.

* Attention to what Kerouac called (after Spengler) a "second religiousness" developing within an advanced civilization.

* Return to an appreciation of idiosyncrasy as against state regimentation.

* Respect for land and indigenous peoples and creatures, as proclaimed by Kerouac in his slogan from On the Road: "The Earth is an Indian thing."

The essence of the phrase "beat generation" may be found in On the Road with the celebrated phrase: "Everything belongs to me because I am poor."

Transition to the "Hippie" era

Some time during the 1960s, the rapidly expanding "beat" culture underwent a transformation: the "Beat Generation" gave way to "The Sixties Counterculture", which was accompanied by a shift in public terminology from "Beatnik" to "hippie".

This was in many respects a gradual transition. Many of the original Beats remained active participants, notably Allen Ginsberg, who became a fixture of the anti-war movement -- though equally notably, Kerouac did not remain active on the scene: he broke with Ginsberg and criticized the 60s protest movements as "new excuses for spitefulness".

The Beats in general were a large influence on members of the new "counterculture", for example, in the case of Bob Dylan who became a close friend of Allen Ginsberg.

The year 1963 found Ginsberg living in San Francisco with Neal Cassady and Charles Plymell at 1403 Gough St. Shortly after that Ginsberg connected with Ken Kesey's crowd who was doing LSD testing at Stanford, and Plymell was instrumental in publishing the first issue of R. Crumb's Zap Comix on his printing press a few years later then moved to Ginsberg's commune in Cherry Valley, NY in the early 1970s. (The Plymells never lived at the Farm, just visited there; although they remained in Cherry Valley.)

According to Ed Sanders the change in the public label from "beatnik" to "hippie" happened after the 1967 "Be-In" in San Francisco's Golden Gate Park (where Allen Ginsberg, Gary Snyder and Michael McClure were leading the crowd in chanting "Om").

There were certainly some stylistic differences between "beatniks" and "hippies" — somber colors, dark shades, and goatees gave way to colorful "psychedelic" clothing and long hair. The beats were known for "playing it cool" (keeping a low profile) but the hippies became known for "being cool" (displaying their individuality).

In addition to the stylistic changes, there were some changes in substance: the beats tended to be essentially apolitical, but the hippies became actively engaged with the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. To quote Gary Snyder in a 1974 interview (collected in The Beat Vision):

... the next key point was Castro taking over Cuba. The apolitical quality of Beat thought changed with that. It sparked quite a discussion and quite a dialogue; many people had been basic pacifists with considerable disillusion with Marxian revolutionary rhetoric. At the time of Castro's victory, it had to be rethought again. Here was a revolution that had used violence and that was apparently a good thing. Many people abandoned the pacifist position at that time or at least began to give more thought to it. In any case, many people began to look to politics again as having possibilities. From that follows, at least on some levels, the beginning of civil rights activism, which leads through our one whole chain of events: the Movement.

We had little confidence in our power to make any long range or significant changes. That was the 50s, you see. It seemed that bleak. So that our choices seemed entirely personal existential lifetime choices that there was no guarantee that we would have any audience, or anybody would listen to us; but it was a moral decision, a moral poetic decision. Then Castro changed things, then Martin Luther King changed things ...

Drug usage

The country’s many drug abuse centers have served several generations, and will continue to do so as long as drug addiction remains a problem.

The original members or the Beat Generation group — in Allen Ginsberg's phrase, "the libertine circle" — used a number of different drugs.

In addition to the alcohol common in American life, they were also interested in marijuana, benzedrine and, in some cases, opiates such as morphine. As time went on, many of them began using other psychedelic drugs, such as peyote, yage, and LSD.

Much of this usage can fairly be termed "experimental", in that they were generally unfamiliar with the effects of these drugs, and there were intellectual aspects to their interest in them as well as a simple pursuit of hedonistic intoxication.

Benzedrine at that time was available in the form of plastic inhalers, containing a piece of folded paper soaked in the drug. They would typically crack open the inhalers and drop the paper in coffee, or just wad it up and swallow it whole.

Opiates could be obtained in the form of morphine "syrettes": a squeeze tube with a hypodermic needle tip.

As the Beat phenomenon spread (transforming from Beat to "beatnik" to "hippie"), usage of some of these drugs also became more widespread. According to stereotype, the "hippies" commonly used the psychedelic drugs (marijuana, LSD), though the use of other drugs such as amphetemines was also widespread.

The actual results of this "experimentation" can be difficult to determine. Claims that some of these drugs can enhance creativity, insight or productivity were quite common, as is the belief that the drugs in use were a key influence on the social events of the time.

Historical context

The postwar era was a time where the dominant culture was desperate for a reassuring planned order; but there was a strong intellectual undercurrent calling for spontaneity, an end to psychological repression; a romantic desire for a more chaotic, Dionysian existence.

The beats were a manifestation of this undercurrent (and over time, a primary focus for those energies), but they were not the only one. Before Jack Kerouac embraced "spontaneous prose", there were other artists pursuing self-expression by abandoning control, notably the improvisational elements in jazz music, and the action paintings of Jackson Pollock and the other abstract expressionists.

Also, there were other artists in the post-war period who embraced a similar disdain for refined control, often with the opposite intent of suppressing the ego, and avoiding self-expression; notably, the works of the composer/writer John Cage and the paintings and "assemblages" of Robert Rauschenberg. The "cut-up" technique that Brion Gysin developed and that William Burroughs adopted after publishing Naked Lunch bears a strong resemblance to Cage's "chance operations" approach.

The beatniks were certainly not the only form of experimental writing in the post-war period. Various other movements/scenes can be identified that were happening roughly concurrently:

* The Angries a group of post-war British writers with which the Beats are sometimes compared
* The Black Mountain poets (which John Cage was also associated with)
* The San Francisco Renaissance can be regarded as a separate movement of its own, with origins preceding the beats.

There were many influences on the beat generation writers: Blake was a large intellectual influence on Allen Ginsberg and there are striking echoes of Walt Whitman's style in Ginsberg's work; the novel You Can't Win by Jack Black was a strong influence on William Burroughs; Marcel Proust's work was read by many of the beats, and may have inspired Kerouac in his grand scheme for a multi-volume autobiographical work.

The full historical background arguably includes Henry David Thoreau, Imagism (especially Ezra Pound, William Carlos Williams and H.D.), the Objectivists and Henry Miller. Some points to consider:

* Gary Snyder read Pound early and was encouraged in his interests in Japan and China by Pound's work.

* William Carlos Williams encouraged a number of beats and wrote a preface for Howl and other poems.

* Pound was also important to Allen Ginsberg and to most of the San Francisco Rennaissance group (Charles Olson, Robert Creeley, etc).



TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: beatniks; castro; cuba; hippies; history; misc; society
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1 posted on 11/25/2012 2:47:31 PM PST by DustyMoment
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To: DustyMoment

The Beatniks were The Mosquitoes and they were big fans of The Honeybees - a really big shewwww.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDcpexDjvAM

I met the one on the left in the white sweater many years ago!


2 posted on 11/25/2012 2:52:06 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: DustyMoment

freaks on drugs


3 posted on 11/25/2012 2:55:11 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: DustyMoment

Good summary. It should be added that much of the Port Huron group sprouted from children of communist immigrants who had found homes in academia.


4 posted on 11/25/2012 2:57:23 PM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years. RSC)
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To: DustyMoment

Maynard G. Krebbs: “WORK!!?? Who said ‘work’?”


5 posted on 11/25/2012 2:57:37 PM PST by NY Cajun
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To: DustyMoment

Interesting history. Thanks, eh?


6 posted on 11/25/2012 3:02:02 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: NY Cajun

7 posted on 11/25/2012 3:03:10 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: DustyMoment

Way too long for most to read, but, yes, the ‘60s counter-culture was invented by a previous generation, most of whom seem to have managed to avoid military service in WWII. Hippies were not young people who invented themselves, as boomers now want us to believe.


8 posted on 11/25/2012 3:05:25 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: DustyMoment

9 posted on 11/25/2012 3:07:20 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: DustyMoment

Who were the Beatnicks?

Buncha’ gays looking for a context in which to be gay and yet not feel so queer. Sex was ALWAYS bubbling around close by with these “free spirits”.


10 posted on 11/25/2012 3:10:09 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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11 posted on 11/25/2012 3:11:22 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: DustyMoment

Jazz.....if you try to improvise without regard to theme, beat and chord, you wind up with garbage. Just like much of what the hippies had.


12 posted on 11/25/2012 3:15:05 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: DustyMoment

In 1972, when I turned 21, I hitch-hiked out to San Francisco and spent time in beat poet Lawrence Ferlinghetti’s City Lights Bookstore and read the days away in those decrepit chairs. Kerouac was a central figure, but I always felt he saw himself as a writer much more than a beatnick. He wrote some extraordinarily beautiful passages, and spent the end of his life in the Catholic faith of his youth.


13 posted on 11/25/2012 3:15:59 PM PST by jobim (.)
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To: NY Cajun

The 1968 movie ‘What’s So Bad About Feeling Good?’ with Mary Tyler Moore was a satire on beatniks, not on hippies as the date might suggest.


14 posted on 11/25/2012 3:16:04 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: DustyMoment
Interesting. The Beatniks were members of the so-called "Lost generation" born between the onset of the [first] Great Depression and the end of WWII.

I'm not much on blaming generations for our problems. I've seen quite enough Boomer-bashing to be sure of that. In the end, individuals act -- not generations.

15 posted on 11/25/2012 3:20:19 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: DustyMoment

MAD Magazine had a good take on their lingo:

Friends, Romans, hipsters,
Let me clue you in;
I come to put down Caesar, not to groove him.
The square kicks some cats are on stay with them;
The hip bits, like, go down under;
So let it lay with Caesar. The dude Brutus
Gave you the message Caesar had big eyes;
If that’s the sound, someone’s copping a plea,
And, like, old Caesar really set them straight.
Here, copacetic with Brutus and the studs,—
For Brutus is a real cool cat;
So are they all, all cool cats,—
Come I to make this gig at Caesar’s lay down.
He was my boy, the most and real gone to me;
But, like, Brutus pegs him as having big eyes;
And old Brutus is a real cool cat.
He copped a lot of swinging heads for home,
Which put us way out with that loot;
Does this give Caesar big eyes?
When the square cats bawled, Caesar flipped;
Big eyes should be made of more solid megillah;
Yet Brutus pegs him as having big eyes;
And Brutus is a real cool cat.
You all dug that bit at the Lupercal scene
Three times I bugged him with the King’s lid,
And three times he hung me up; was this big eyes?
Yet Brutus pegs him with big eyes;
And, sure, he is a real cool cat.
I don’t want to double-O what Brutus gummed,
But, like, I only dig what comes on straight
You all got a charge out of him once,
So how come you don’t cry the blues for him?
Man! You are real nowhere,
You don’t make it anymore. Don’t cut out on me;
My guts are in the pad there with Caesar,
And I gotta stop swinging till they round-trip.


16 posted on 11/25/2012 3:21:43 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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17 posted on 11/25/2012 3:24:27 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: blueunicorn6

Quite right. And when you consider the quality of the enduring jazz 1948-1960 that parallels the beatniks, you find jazz in many ways (in my opinion) at its peak, most notably represented by Miles’ Birth of the Cool sessions, and the Miles Ahead collaboration with Gil Evans. These arrangements were crafted like jewels, certainly not the work of scatterbrained freedom seekers.


18 posted on 11/25/2012 3:24:52 PM PST by jobim (.)
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To: DustyMoment

I think the word Beatnik was derived from Sputnik — the first earth satellite launched by Russia in 1957. Sputnik’s surprise launch shocked the Western World almost as much as 9/11 and caused a lot of people to question the validity of American military, poltical, and academic excellence.

Since the “Beats” were already accustomed to hanging out in coffee houses and poetry bars with the Bohemians questioning everything in contemporary culture, they quickly latched on to the idea of how great the Soviet Union was and how lame the US was. It was a natural progression.

I was in school at UC Berkeley at the time. We paid little attention to the Bohemians, and less to the Beats, looking upon them as oddities. But, then came the Hippies, as the Viet Nam War heated up, and they overwhelmed the culture.

As the Draft became an inconvenient fact of life, more and more young folks decided to attend college and to apply for student deferments. College was expensive — even in those years — and students from the eastern US flocked to Caliifornia (where in-state tuition was incredibly cheap) to wait for their state’s residence.

They had to live there for a year before they could get into school at the in-state price, and they basically had nothing to do, except cause trouble, while they waited to be admitted.

One of their favorite targets was the newly elected Governor Reagan and the Board of Regents of the University of California. They launched the Free Speech Movement, followed by the Filthy Speech Movement, follwed by the bra-less movement, followed by the braless in a sheer blouse movement, followed by the nude movement. And on, and on, and on.


19 posted on 11/25/2012 3:25:43 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: DustyMoment
Here's the story of a mummy who comes back to life to find a copy of Edd Byrnes' and Connie Stevens' hit record Kookie, Kookie and encounters a beatnik. This actually got airplay on KFI (which now carries Limbaugh in LA) in 1959--I heard over the radio in our 1958 Edsel Villager station wagon:

The Mummy--Bob McFadden & Dor (Dor is the poet Rod McKuen)

20 posted on 11/25/2012 3:26:10 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: DustyMoment

Like, cosmic, man.


21 posted on 11/25/2012 3:26:36 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: jobim; blueunicorn6

“These arrangements were crafted like jewels, certainly not the work of scatterbrained freedom seekers.”

Pretty sure the references were to Bop, not to Jazz in general.


22 posted on 11/25/2012 3:34:02 PM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: DustyMoment

In the article there is a reference to “the destructive forces of McCarthyism”.

McCarthy was right, and was excoriated for it by the Left of the time. The Venona Papers showed from the opposing Soviet side how right he was.

Interesting article just the same.


23 posted on 11/25/2012 3:35:00 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: DustyMoment

I remember as a youth reading “Howl” and thinking “What a twit.” That was the end of any interest I might have had in the unwashed masses. Later I read Ayn Rand and thought “Yep, I know the twits she’s talking about.”


24 posted on 11/25/2012 3:35:58 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I think the word Beatnik was derived from Sputnik....

Somewhere I recall that the term "hippie" was a beatnik who shot up and kept his/her/it's hips raised when shooting up as to expedite the heroin's impact.

25 posted on 11/25/2012 3:36:38 PM PST by llevrok (I haven't left America. It left me.)
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To: jobim

1959 was kinda late for the Beats. They really started in the late Forties.

“Reading from a prepared text, Kerouac reflected on his beat beginnings:
It is because I am Beat, that is, I believe in beatitude and that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son to it... Who knows, but that the universe is not one vast sea of compassion actually, the veritable holy honey, beneath all this show of personality and cruelty?[6]
Kerouac’s address was later published as “The Origins of the Beat Generation” (Playboy, June 1959). In that article Kerouac noted how his original beatific philosophy had been ignored amid maneuvers by several pundits, among them Herb Caen, the San Francisco newspaperman, to alter Kerouac’s concept with jokes and jargon:
I went one afternoon to the church of my childhood and had a vision of what I must have really meant with “Beat”... the vision of the word Beat as being to mean beatific... People began to call themselves beatniks, beats, jazzniks, bopniks, bugniks and finally I was called the “avatar” of all this.
In light of what he considered beat to mean and what beatnik had come to mean, he once observed to a reporter, “I’m not a beatnik, I’m a Catholic”, showing the reporter a painting of Pope Paul VI and saying, “You know who painted that? Me.”


26 posted on 11/25/2012 3:38:03 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: jobim

” Kerouac was a central figure, but I always felt he saw himself as a writer much more than a beatnick. He wrote some extraordinarily beautiful passages, and spent the end of his life in the Catholic faith of his youth.”

And Kerouac was a patriot who loved America ; unlike Ginsberg and Burroughs . In his final years he had nothing to do with them . He even called Ginsberg a Commie on Firing Line and Allen was in the audience , there to support Jack , who was , shall we say , slightly inebriated .


27 posted on 11/25/2012 3:41:49 PM PST by sushiman
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Dig this;

http://audio.skeyelab.com/howtospeakhip/


28 posted on 11/25/2012 3:42:30 PM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: DustyMoment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4PKzz81m5c
Chet Baker - Almost blue


29 posted on 11/25/2012 3:42:40 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: DustyMoment

I read On the Road many years ago and observed that the Beatnik culture is almost identical to most spoiled adolescents in college: Road trips, drugs, sloth, casual sex, a disdain for work and an air of moral superiority.

These things were extremely taboo in the early sixties. Today not so much...


30 posted on 11/25/2012 3:43:59 PM PST by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: OKSooner

LOL!!


31 posted on 11/25/2012 3:46:40 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Wonder where Lawrence Ferlinghetti fits in. He wrote “Coney Island of the Mind” I think. There was also a trumpet or sax player whose name I can’t remember who was very important to the boyfriend of a friend of mine. This brings back a lot of memories.... Incidentally, their apartments were , in general, pig pens or worse. Blech.


32 posted on 11/25/2012 3:47:14 PM PST by Silentgypsy (If you love your freedom, thank a vet.)
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To: FreedomPoster
McCarthy was right, and was excoriated for it by the Left of the time.

I agree. McCarthy WAS right and he was demonized and excoriated by the left for decades. His name wasn't cleared until the late 80s or early 90s.

33 posted on 11/25/2012 3:48:27 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

“I knew right away what he meant somehow,” wrote Kerouac, “I was a bum, a brakeman, a seaman, a panhandler…anything and everything, and went on writing because my hero was Goethe.”

Kind of sounds like the kind of people who liked to hang out at the USA’s first commune that was created by British industrialist, Robert Owen, in 1825 in New Harmony, Indiana.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Owen
In 1825, such an experiment was attempted under the direction of his disciple, Abram Combe, at Orbiston near Glasgow; and in the next year Owen himself began another at New Harmony, Indiana, U.S., sold to him by George Rapp. After a trial of about two years both failed completely. Neither of them was a pauper experiment; but it must be said that the members were of the most motley description, many worthy people of the highest aims being mixed with vagrants, adventurers, and crotchety, wrongheaded enthusiasts, or in the words of Owen’s son “a heterogeneous collection of radicals, enthusiastic devotees to principle, honest latitudinarians, and lazy theorists, with a sprinkling of unprincipled sharpers thrown in.”[3]


34 posted on 11/25/2012 3:57:55 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Actually the early beatniks got their start in the 40s, very close to the end of WW2. Although the “nik” part of their name is attributed to Sputnik, the “beat” portion of it was introduced prior to the launch of Sputnik.

Notice that the Beatniks hung out in very specific coffee houses in SOHO and in Frisco. These were gathering places where they exchanged ideas, wrote or read their “poetry”; mostly to people who weren’t listening to them.

Overall, the Beatniks were a largely laughable movement that only enthralled some of the media and Hollyweird. Bits and pieces of some of the more “acceptable” philosophies of the Beatniks can be found in a number of different entertainment items of the day including “West Side Story” and “Dobie Gillis” with the character Maynard G. Krebs (played by Bob Denver of Gilligan fame!).

It wasn’t until the influence of the Beatniks was picked up by the hippies that the movement got more traction than it should. The rest is truly history.


35 posted on 11/25/2012 3:58:45 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I made this model car as a kid so I am connected to them in a plastic manner.

Yes I sniffed the glue a little. I miss that smell but not how it got on everything.

36 posted on 11/25/2012 4:01:01 PM PST by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: BfloGuy

I posted it because I have become weary of the Boomer-bashers here. The way I see it, if people want to blame Boomers for the ills of the world, they should, at least, understand the roots of the 60s.


37 posted on 11/25/2012 4:01:26 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

In the minds and propaganda of the Left, he is still a demon.


38 posted on 11/25/2012 4:03:23 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

I was a twentysomething when the Beatniks were among us.. My fellow establishment types, and I tried to get into the groove to pick up the free love types..

No matter what we wore, it was new stuff, clean, and smelled of Jade East cologne from work, it never worked out.. I finally got close enough to a stringy haired ragmuffin to get a whiff of that common scent that most of them had, kinda like pot, incense, sweat, and a gross undertone that no one who bathed could ever replicate.. UGH!

I decided it wasn’t worth it, unless she would have agreed to be Dipped before I’d allow her in my new Nash Rambler.. :)


39 posted on 11/25/2012 4:05:00 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: jjotto
Hippies were not young people who invented themselves, as boomers now want us to believe.

Where did you get that!?? Most boomers had no association withe the hippies other than the fact that we were all in the same age group.

You may rest well assured that there isn't a Boomer that I know who wants to either be associated with the hippies or who believes that the hippies were invented by Boomers.

40 posted on 11/25/2012 4:05:13 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: TalBlack

effete academia


41 posted on 11/25/2012 4:07:01 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Silentgypsy

Now I remember: Maynard Ferguson.


42 posted on 11/25/2012 4:21:09 PM PST by Silentgypsy (If you love your freedom, thank a vet.)
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To: Silentgypsy

Maynard “G” Ferguson


43 posted on 11/25/2012 4:27:00 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: DustyMoment

...Like... who cares?


44 posted on 11/25/2012 4:35:45 PM PST by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: DustyMoment
Two things...

Beatniks were at least originals --- hippies were posers.

Hip, as an expression of lifestyle or description, came straight from the Jazz world of the thirties, forties and fifties. It meant a drug user. Anyone who didn't get high was a square. Miles Davis told me that. I remember jazz guys from that era (whom I got to know in the early seventies while working an after-hours spot) calling cigarettes 'squares'.

45 posted on 11/25/2012 4:44:13 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Sputnik and the USSR had nothing to do with the word. NIK is a Yiddish diminutive modifier suffix that has its roots in Slavic Russia. It was brought here by Russian Jews in the 1800s.


46 posted on 11/25/2012 4:56:18 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: DustyMoment

Beatniks = Proto- communists(Socialists)..


47 posted on 11/25/2012 4:58:13 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: DustyMoment

“I posted it because I have become weary of the Boomer-bashers here. The way I see it, if people want to blame Boomers for the ills of the world, they should, at least, understand the roots of the 60s.”

I don’t “want to blame Boomers for the ills of the world” — I’ve been led there by empirical evidence and reason.

And nothing you’ve posted here does anything to dissuade.

Sure, the Beats — another name for the leftists of the fifties — birthed the hippies (boomers). (And before them, the Bolsheviks. And way before them?
Robespierre and the Jacobeans. So what? There’s always a leftist subculture in every society bent on sawing off the tree branch their own little hive hangs from.)

The point is, there were a relative handful of beatniks. In San Francisco. And New York. Hollywood. At universities.

But the Boomers, in their never-before-seen numbers, millions and millions and millions, were no subculture. They became the culture. They embraced the left and all things leftist. They didn’t give it up after college; they’re still living it and taking the rest of us down with them.

Boomers have ruined everything in this country — the church, government, medicine, science, movies, books, TV, the news, education — everything that makes America America. You name it, the Boomers have raised their collective leg on it and destroyed it.

Yeah, I’m one of the ones on FR who blame the Boomers.


48 posted on 11/25/2012 5:03:59 PM PST by Blue Ink
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To: DustyMoment

:)


49 posted on 11/25/2012 5:10:44 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: DustyMoment

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!


50 posted on 11/25/2012 5:21:00 PM PST by smalltownslick
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