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Four-year fight for family health coverage leads lesbian couple to Supreme Courtís door
washington post ^ | 11.25.2012 | AP

Posted on 11/25/2012 4:02:33 PM PST by Morgana

SAN FRANCISCO — Like a lot of newlyweds, Karen Golinski was eager to enjoy the financial fruits of marriage. Within weeks of her wedding, she applied to add her spouse to her employer-sponsored health care plan, a move that would save the couple thousands of dollars a year.

Her ordinarily routine request still is being debated more than four years later, and by the likes of former attorneys general, a slew of senators, the Obama administration and possibly this week, the U.S. Supreme Court. Because Golinski is married to another woman and works for the U.S. government, her claim for benefits has morphed into a multi-layered legal challenge to a 1996 law that prohibits the federal government from recognizing unions like hers.

The high court has scheduled a closed-door conference for Friday to review Golinski’s case and four others that also seek to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act overwhelmingly approved by Congress and signed by President Bill Clinton.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda

1 posted on 11/25/2012 4:02:43 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana
Like a lot of newlyweds, Karen Golinski was eager to enjoy the financial fruits of marriage.

Anybody know what the Ass. Press is talking about?

2 posted on 11/25/2012 4:07:37 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Criminal defense lawyers won't have the Twinkie to kick around anymore.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Marriage is between one man and one woman.

Anything else is NOT marriage.

How I wish the Supremes would simply rule so.


3 posted on 11/25/2012 4:10:33 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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4 posted on 11/25/2012 4:13:06 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Alas Babylon!

They won’t.


5 posted on 11/25/2012 4:13:38 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Alas Babylon!

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6 posted on 11/25/2012 4:13:48 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Marriage is between one man and one woman.

G-d has defined marriage...anyone trying to alter that definition to fit their personal agenda is defying the will of G-d.

Good luck with that.

7 posted on 11/25/2012 4:16:13 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Morgana
Within weeks of her wedding, she applied to add her spouse to her employer-sponsored health care plan, a move that would save the couple thousands of dollars a year.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the only reason queers want to be able to "marry".
It's not about "love" - it's about money.

8 posted on 11/25/2012 4:28:00 PM PST by grobdriver
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To: Morgana
Like a lot of newlyweds, Karen Golinski was eager to enjoy the financial fruits of marriage.

That never occurred to me, although I believe Der Prinz was interested in the lower auto insurance rates for married men. Maybe that should have been a clue ...

9 posted on 11/25/2012 4:32:14 PM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Morgana
We are seeing sex deviates being granted access to what was supposed to be programs that encourage the Family unit, recognize the tradional family for its values and personal responsibility, etc.

Now, we have created a "Special Class" (just like Blacks, Latino's, Women, etc.) that have access and protections that are unavailable to Christian White Males and Husbands with wives and children. (The Protections include Hate Crime Laws, Affirmative Action Plans, etc.)

10 posted on 11/25/2012 4:36:52 PM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: grobdriver

Money and access to children. They will overburden the health care system because they have more health problems contrary to what they say.

Once DOMA goes away they will be pushing their deviancy in the schools in the guise of anti-bullying.


11 posted on 11/25/2012 4:42:59 PM PST by USAF80
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To: traditional1

Every special category has harmed rather than helped the targeted group. Employers hesitate to hire special groups because of their tendency to sue or cause problems.

The same will happen with the deviants. They may enjoy the gains for a little while but they will soon alienate themselves in the work place.


12 posted on 11/25/2012 4:47:06 PM PST by USAF80
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To: who knows what evil?
When the court is half lesbian then it's guaranteed to be declared legal. Obama’s America. Not exactly half, but you know what I mean.
13 posted on 11/25/2012 4:56:59 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: dandiegirl
When the court is half lesbian then it's guaranteed to be declared legal.

Legal in this world; not the next. :-)

14 posted on 11/25/2012 5:02:04 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Ha! Exactly!


15 posted on 11/25/2012 5:09:09 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: USAF80

Yes they will enjoy it for awhile, but society will always look upon them as deviants. Yes, there will be tolerance by force, but people know instinctively that it’s just wrong and that will never change.


16 posted on 11/25/2012 5:11:04 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: Morgana

I am getting old and my memory is going, but the “financial fruits” were not the most important thing on my mind when I was a newlywed. Still ain’t, for that matter.


17 posted on 11/25/2012 5:19:52 PM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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18 posted on 11/25/2012 5:23:29 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: USAF80

Back in the 90’s, I went to a dentist twice for teeth cleaning. His staff was ALL lesbians and I got the idea that it didn’t start that way, but maybe a lesbian started the hiring and it snowballed from there. It was just so uncomfortable going there so I found another dentist. There was this air of angrym vicious drama, almost like jealously, brewing. So, I never went back. Don’t care how good the dentist was, I have no use for angry bull dykes.


19 posted on 11/25/2012 5:49:05 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Like a lot of newlyweds, Karen Golinski was eager to enjoy the financial fruits of marriage.

Why can't they go on their husbands' plans? Oh they don't have husbands...it is just two queers shacked up together. Well then they aren't married, so I don't see what the issue is.

Going along with their term of "newlywed" allows them to define the argument. However, you can't be a "newlywed" if you are not married. If you're not married then you don't have a spouse to add to your healthcare plan. And you have no case.

No matter what the SCOTUS rules, marriage is and will always be a religious institution. No matter how hard the state tries to mimic it, it will never be a marriage and will always just be queers shacked up playing house.

SCOTUS can rule that my couch is a dog, but that won't make it so.

20 posted on 11/25/2012 7:27:02 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: USAF80

partially correct
The real issue is going to be access to the social security for spouses
this blombs an even bigger hole in the budget than can be imagined.
No one is talking about this.


21 posted on 11/25/2012 8:14:49 PM PST by genghis
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To: Morgana

I’m kind of surprised that DOMA actually forbids the federal government from allowing any same-sex medical benefits.

Most private companies have those now, not for “gay marriage”, but for any same-sex partners who will claim they have a committed relationship.

Even in states like Virginia, which prohibit state recognition of gay marriage or civil unions, employers offer same-sex partner health benefits.


22 posted on 11/25/2012 9:08:16 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: grobdriver
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the only reason queers want to be able to "marry". It's not about "love" - it's about money.

BINGO!!!!!!

23 posted on 11/25/2012 9:38:58 PM PST by terycarl
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To: CharlesWayneCT
This not even enforced because the State Dept allows benefits for deviants and they are part of the feds. I think it was more geared towards the military.

The military system is unique because they are stationed all over the world. It's not much of an issue stateside. If you are stationed overseas and you are not covered by the military them it becomes expensive to send the kids to school or get medical care.

It would be impossible to have your spouse accompany you. The spouse would have to apply for visas etc on their own.

24 posted on 11/26/2012 5:46:37 AM PST by USAF80
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To: USAF80

It’s an interesting problem, which exists because we have employers provide health care, instead of having people buy their own health care.

It’s a complicated issue. Prior to Obamacare, a private company could decide whether it was valuable to them to provide insurance for their workers, and also decide if it was valuable to provide insurance for the families of their workers.

It’s odd, because insurance is a benefit, which makes it part of your pay, and most large employers essentially give married couples higher pay for the same job, and couples with kids even HIGHER pay for the same job, through the coverage for medical insurance.

In my company, we pay more if we have a spouse, or kids, but it isn’t nearly enough more to cover the full costs — so I essentially get more money than the single guy sitting next to me. My company decides for some reason that this is a value to them, so they provide it, as part of their worker retention strategy.

Maybe they value married workers more than single workers. It certainly doesn’t seem “fair”. If you didn’t provide health insurance at all, I doubt a company would give you a raise for having a kid.

We don’t give people raises to help pay for spouse or child coverage on their car insurance.

Of course, we don’t force companies to cover car insurance either. I’m sure if the government was involved, we’d soon have such things.

Most of our social arguments could be dismissed if we simply got government out of the business of providing social services to begin with. I don’t really care if a private company pays their people more or less, I just care if the product they sell is worth the cost.

But because government sticks their nose into things, I have to care.


25 posted on 11/26/2012 7:12:10 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You mean you make less money than the single guy because their health insurance costs are less.

If you look at it from the insurance companies perspective the family unit will have more claims than the single person. This justifies them charging more for the family policies.

Insurance is not based on “fairness”, it’s based on loss tables and statistics. Insurance companies are in business to make a profit. Their rates are based on that not on fairness. The average person is clueless to this fact.


26 posted on 11/26/2012 7:58:08 AM PST by USAF80
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To: USAF80

Insurance WAS based on pooled risk and they were very good with their statistical formulas for determining the appropriate costs for each individual that wanted to purchase a plan.

They are now just evil and deserve to be demonized because they were able to offer a method of pooling risk for voluntary participants and still make a profit! Now we are all “entitled” to their product for FREE. They should just give it to us and if they don’t, then we can burn them at the stake!


27 posted on 11/26/2012 8:46:05 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: USAF80
You mean you make less money than the single guy because their health insurance costs are less.

No, what I meant was what I said, that I make MORE money than the single guy doing exactly the same work.

My company provides health insurance, and I pay only a portion of the costs, let's say "20%" for the sake of discussion.

Because I have a wife and kids, my company provides insurance for all of them. My cost for that insurance is twice what my insurance alone would cost (adding kids doesn't raise the price much at all).

Let's assume again for the discussion that I pay $80 a week for insurance, and the single guy pays $40. Since my company covers 80% of the insurance cost, they are paying $320 for my insurance each week, and $160 for the single guy.

So, I get a benefit worth $160 more per week than my single co-worker. If my company simply paid us both the cost of insurance, and let us both buy it ourselve, I would be getting $160 more each week in my paycheck than the single guy.

Now, you are quite correct that my COSTS are also higher, because I have a family. But that has nothing to do with how much money I MAKE. And my point is exactly what you said, except you got it backwards -- in some large sense, my company providing me insurance seems to be based on "fairness", not loss tables or actual costs. I get more subsidy because I have higher costs because I have a family -- not because I contribute more to the profit of the company than the single guy.

Further, my company also largely covers the difference in health care costs related to aging. Not entirely, since my payments are based on a percentage of my income, which means that if I make more money as I get older, I'll also pay somewhat more. But since I won't make twice what a younger person with my same duties makes, and I'll likely cost 3 times as much for insurance as a new hire, I'm essentially getting a subsidized health insurance plan, and the new hire is likely paying MORE than their health insurance is worth.

My company allows them to opt out, but probably not starting next year. And even so, they only saved their own subsidized contribution (20%), not the entire 100%, and while they are overpaying, the "20%" they pay probably covers 80% of their real costs, while the "20%" I pay probably only covers 10% of my costs.

The very existance of government and regulations throws everything on it's head. For example, you know about the "marriage tax penalty". What is that? It's a penalty based on the bizarre notion that, if you have two people making money, but they are pooling resources, they don't "need" as much of their money, so government should take more.

Hence, two people making $50,000 each, and living alone, will pay less in taxes than if the same two people decide to live together and codify that arrangement with a marriage or civil union license -- because the government taxes them on $100,000, pushing half the income into a higher tax bracket.

Then the government comes up with a half-dozen ways to "fix" that problem, and pretends they are doing you a favor, like giving you different tax tables, giving you extra deductions, giving you a child tax credit.

All because government is basing taxes on what they think you should be able to afford, rather than a straightforward cost of services provided.

28 posted on 11/26/2012 9:09:17 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CSM

I have co-workers who seem to think that as the pool will be bigger the costs will decrease. I pointed out to them that the pool will be bigger but the payers will be the same.


29 posted on 11/26/2012 10:05:40 AM PST by USAF80
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