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Intel kills off the desktop, PCs go with it
Semiaccurate ^ | Nov 26, 2012; | CDemerjian

Posted on 11/26/2012 8:54:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

"Intel is killing the desktop, but not quite as soon as people expect it to, there will be one last gasp, but that is irrelevant."

In a story that SemiAccurate has been following for several months, Broadwell will not come in an LGA package, so no removable CPU. The news was first publicly broken by the ever sharp PC Watch, english version here, but the news has been floating in the backchannel for a bit now. The problem? This information wasn’t floating around the OEMs or the majority of the PC ecosystem, they had no clue. What does all of this mean? Quite a bit.

The most direct effect is that of Broadwell, the 14nm successor to next year’s Haswell CPU, will essentially shut out the enthusiast. Motherboards will still be available, but the CPUs that come with them will be soldered down. In addition to being a inventory management nightmare, OEMs won’t buy CPUs any more, the few remaining mobo vendors and ODMs will. As a side effect, it also cuts the enthusiast out of the picture for good, but more on that later.

Normally, you would expect Intel to tell the companies that are affected, the Asuses, Gigabytes, MSIs, and maybe Asrocks if they are still around, well ahead of time. This time Intel didn’t, and that should tell you a great deal about their intentions. At least a few key PC players found out from SemiAccurate a few months ago, and they were rather incredulous about the news. This state of mind has probably changed to a state a bit past peeved by now, their entire business is about to be gutted. Intel didn’t just do a bad job of messaging this one, they didn’t do any job of it.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: desktoppc; hitech; intel; trends
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1 posted on 11/26/2012 8:54:22 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ShadowAce
Now what?

Gamers on a tablet?

2 posted on 11/26/2012 8:56:06 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This makes me think that this future Intel CPU is going to come in a 'Slot1' configuration like the old Pentium ][ did.

Probably multiple chips hosting multiple cores on the same card. In that case, Intel will seek to control their cooling behavior and ship it in an integrated 'cassette' like unit as they did with the Pentium '2'.

3 posted on 11/26/2012 9:02:25 AM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

laptops


4 posted on 11/26/2012 9:03:07 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’ll be migrating away from computers altogether as this happens. They want us to adhere to their own proprietary standards, they want us to put everything “in the cloud,” and they want us on mobile devices that can be tracked and kept to “moderate” electrical consumption. Well, not me.

I’ll likely build up one more heavy-hitting gaming rig with liquid cooling and ride on it until the next-next-gen of video games comes out that won’t run on the old stuff. My current gaming rig is still humming along and plays anything I throw at it.

It’s only a matter of time.

This, I fear, is just the beginning. The market wants to force us to mobile devices instead of giving us more power in a smaller (and cooler) desktop package. If the ASUSes and the Gigabytes of the world don’t rise up and perhaps work with AMD to continue the socketed processor lines, enthusiasts, as well as websites such as NewEgg and FrozenPC, will go extinct.


5 posted on 11/26/2012 9:06:11 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If this is true, and it just sounds like you won’t be able to build your own machine by buying a motherboard, it just means the gamer and enthusiast market goes to AMD.

This really makes little sense to me as Intel has no vested interest in selling the rest of a tower’s innards. They don’t make power supplies, graphics cards, sound cards, HD’s etc. I’m trying to make sense of this because as written it doesn’t make good business.


6 posted on 11/26/2012 9:06:21 AM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: The KG9 Kid
This makes me think that this future Intel CPU is going to come in a 'Slot1' configuration like the old Pentium ][ did

The Pentium II design was AWFUL. That was just to keep AMD from making compatible socket chips, even though gave some BS tech reason for it.

I see this as locking people in to Intel chip sets etc., maybe even entire motherboards.

BTW, this does NOT mean the desktop market is going away. Businesses will use them for the foreseeable future. What it means is that the processor upgradable desktop market is going away, and entirely different matter.
7 posted on 11/26/2012 9:09:24 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

IF they ever come up with a decent keyboard on a laptop, I’ll buy one...but all I can find is those mushy, rubbery, “soft touch” keyboards.

After learning to type on an old Underwood Manual, and they typing for years on an IBM Selectric, I like a little travel, and a little “click” in my keyboard.

On the other hand, I can just see journalists and people in corporations, writers, etc., doing stories and reports on an I-Pad.


8 posted on 11/26/2012 9:11:59 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: FrankR

All I’ve used for years is a laptop and an external 24” flat panel display (easier on these old eyes). Haven’t owned a tower in years and don’t intend to.


9 posted on 11/26/2012 9:18:17 AM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Try reading the "Enlish" version of PCWatch Here

Intel is going full bore for the Mobile market and ARM is gonna have a massive competitor,.

Motherboard makers are going to be wondering "What happened?"

Intel will have a reply shortly!

10 posted on 11/26/2012 9:22:46 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

does this mean I will no longer be able to build my own tower from scratch?

If so, it really sucks.


11 posted on 11/26/2012 9:24:41 AM PST by Hedra (Just a former "Lewd fellow of the baser sort" Acts 17:5 (KJV))
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To: ShadowAce

Tablets are making huge inroads to the laptops former niche..............


12 posted on 11/26/2012 9:24:46 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It sounds to me like this is not so much “end of the desktop PC” as it is “end of the removable CPU”. Just another step in the evolution that has brought us from the days when a PC wouldn’t work without an array of cards plugged into ISA slots.

Higher integration of the CPU onto the mobo isn’t going to preclude someone from packaging it up as a desktop if they want to. It will just look a lot like a laptop inside a bigger case. Expansion is all going to be via USB and DisplayPort anyhow so I see this as a non-story, just as when they started integrating other bits and pieces of the traditional PC.


13 posted on 11/26/2012 9:26:36 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I played Evercrack on a laptop for years. Wasn’t so bad.


14 posted on 11/26/2012 9:26:48 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (George W. Bush is the Emmanuel Goldstein of the modern era.)
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To: Hedra
Might have to go to the Server sockets....

Just posted this:

AMD launches Opteron 6300 server processors ( Code Name Abu Dhabi )

Socket is G32 and G34 (Dual ).

15 posted on 11/26/2012 9:29:18 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: bigbob

Intel will be building the MoBo’s.


16 posted on 11/26/2012 9:31:45 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: RightOnline

Oh, I’d love to use a laptop, but like I said, the keyboards suck.

I do a lot of writing, including a newspaper column (locally), plus all of my photoshop work, and I’m more comfortable in my office, alone, with a 1 TB hard drive, good keyboard/mouse, and a 24’ monitor.

For casual surfing I use my wife’s I-pad when not in my office.


17 posted on 11/26/2012 9:41:43 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I used towers for years so I could get enough speed and memory at reasonable cost.

But I went over to using a laptop on my desk quite a while ago, when they got enough speed and memory for what I do.

I also usually bought one level down from the fastest models, for cost reasons. But now I don’t even have to do that.

But I need a keyboard. No touch screen for me.


18 posted on 11/26/2012 9:43:29 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Which is fine - who really cares? I’m old enough to remember when Intel used to build a large share of motherboards in their OMO - OEM Manufacturing Operations division in Beaverton OR, which was headed back then by some upstart named Craig Barrett. So if they make the mobo it will be back to the future...


19 posted on 11/26/2012 9:45:56 AM PST by bigbob
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To: FrankR
". . . a little "click" in my keyboard."

Counterpart in cubicle next to me has a clackety Clydesdale keyboard that needs to be put out of my misery.

20 posted on 11/26/2012 9:54:40 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (double trouble, here we come)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We’re tending towards providing laptops with docking stations in the office for staff. Best of both worlds…


21 posted on 11/26/2012 10:04:08 AM PST by mikrofon (CompuBUMP)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks.

from what I have read before, AMD has become Intels biggest competitor as of late.

They have come a loing way since the days when they were just a poor stepsister.


22 posted on 11/26/2012 10:04:54 AM PST by Hedra (Just a former "Lewd fellow of the baser sort" Acts 17:5 (KJV))
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To: FrankR
I do a lot of writing, including a newspaper column (locally),

What paper, inquiring minds want to know.
23 posted on 11/26/2012 10:05:10 AM PST by Hedra (Just a former "Lewd fellow of the baser sort" Acts 17:5 (KJV))
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To: FrankR

^^ and a 24’ monitor ^^

Wow, I had no idea they were available that big. I guess there are some folks with eyes weaker than mine.


24 posted on 11/26/2012 10:06:28 AM PST by wrench
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To: wrench

Mistype...that’s 24” (inch)...lol


25 posted on 11/26/2012 10:09:52 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Hedra

Hedra, it’s just a small-town shopper type newspaper, no big deal. It’s not a political column, just folksy, homespun subjects. Thanks for asking.


26 posted on 11/26/2012 10:11:34 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: FrankR
I do a lot of writing, including a newspaper column (locally), plus all of my photoshop work, and I’m more comfortable in my office, alone, with a 1 TB hard drive, good keyboard/mouse, and a 24’ monitor.

Is your office a movie theater?

27 posted on 11/26/2012 10:33:23 AM PST by Disambiguator (America chose...poorly.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

For me, this is scary. I trade stocks and options for my income in retirement. I have a tower with 4 monitors right now. I just can’t do what I do on a laptop or tablet. If I were trapped at a hospital and had to trade one option or a single stock, maybe I could get it done in an orderly manor, but to try and watch 7-10 stocks with options streaming and streaming charts to match, it just can’t be done on one screen. I guess I can collect trash from the dumpster to keep my system running, but I don’t want to. I do have many used parts in my system right now, but that was just to save money from buying new parts. If I can’t even get them, I will be stuck in the ‘80’s forever.


28 posted on 11/26/2012 10:36:13 AM PST by chuckles
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To: Disambiguator

typO....24” (inch)...common sense should have told you that.


29 posted on 11/26/2012 10:43:29 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Who cares! I will never knowingly buy another Intel product. Their corporate values do not jibe with mine so they will not receive any support from me. After all isn’t that how the demoncrats play the game?


30 posted on 11/26/2012 10:49:54 AM PST by Mastador1
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To: FrankR

The problem with displays of any (large) size is that getting beyond 1920x1080 is still very expensive. I can’t wait for the TV people to start going to 2560x1440 or beyond.


31 posted on 11/26/2012 10:52:46 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: chuckles

They make USB video cards. Just plug them in and hook an HDMI monitor to them.

I use a 42” VISIO HDMI screen for my monitor...they are cheap and it’s got a lot of space on it.


32 posted on 11/26/2012 10:59:04 AM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Bobalu

Thanks I could use that too.


33 posted on 11/26/2012 11:05:03 AM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; stylin_geek; ...

34 posted on 11/26/2012 11:14:40 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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35 posted on 11/26/2012 11:15:21 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: chuckles
Newegg:

SUPERMICRO MBD-H8SGL-F-O ATX Server Motherboard Socket G34 AMD SR5650 DDR3 1333

And :

Opterons at newegg

36 posted on 11/26/2012 11:16:39 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: FrankR

I’ve found it’s best not to assume anything. We sometimes use a projector attached to a computer in meetings, and our “monitor” becomes 7’ or thereabouts.


37 posted on 11/26/2012 11:22:43 AM PST by Disambiguator (America chose...poorly.)
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To: chuckles
And at microcenter:

H8SGL-F Socket G34 ATX AMD Motherboard

And :

Opteron

38 posted on 11/26/2012 11:28:08 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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Server barebone 4U rackmount:

From :

Servers Direct

39 posted on 11/26/2012 11:48:44 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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Intel Broadwell CPUs to Make Appearance in 2014
40 posted on 11/26/2012 11:55:11 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: All
Article linked at post #40is dated :

November 29th, 2011, 22:46 GMT · By Sorin Nita

41 posted on 11/26/2012 11:57:31 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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Article linked at post #40:

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In 2014, Intel is expected to launch the successor of the yet unveiled Haswell CPU architecture, which will go by the name of Broadwell and will reportedly become the chip maker’s first true system-on-a-chip (SoC) design.

The Broadwell CPU comes as a "tick" on Intel’s roadmap, meaning that this is actually a 14nm die shrink of the Haswell architecture which is expected to arrive sometime in 2013.

Compared to its predecessor, Broadwell will however feature a more integrated design and according to the Bright Side of News website will become Intel’s first true SoC design as it includes features such as Ethernet, Thunderbolt or USB 3.0 right on the chip’s die.

Right now, there is little else known about Broadwell, but since it will come as a die shrink of Haswell, many of the architecture changes and features introduced by Intel in the latter will make their transition towards this 2014 CPU.

Some of the most important changes will target the processor’s IPC performance, but Intel is also expected to introduce support for the AVX2 instruction set with the release of Haswell.

The graphics core of the chip will also be carries over from Haswell, which means that it will feature DirectX 11.1 support to become a native-Windows 8 design.

Three displays and support for 4K resolution are being inherited and Broadwell chips should be able to deliver decent graphics performance.

Just like Haswell, the 2014 Intel CPUs will use the same mobile 947 pin and desktop LGA 1150 sockets, which means Intel is now going for a two generations cadence with its platforms.

Most specific specs are not available at this point in time since Intel is most probably still working on its silicon as well as on the new 14nm fabrication technology that it has to introduce together with the Broadwell CPUs.
42 posted on 11/26/2012 12:07:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

             

43 posted on 11/26/2012 12:07:53 PM PST by tomkat (a million tiny cuts .. add yours daily .. be creative)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Intel also dissed the Boy Scouts


44 posted on 11/26/2012 12:14:17 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: tomkat; ShadowAce; chuckles; FrankR
Currently running this on an FX 8120:

Kororaa Linux

Fedora based from Aussie land....currently 8 Gbyte RAM and at the moment....over 20 Firefox windows with over 100 taps going....

But more processors would even be better.

Recently upgraded monitor to 27" ASUS Monitor.

45 posted on 11/26/2012 12:17:39 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: GeronL

Well.,....that clinchs that....never an Intel in this Leanto....


46 posted on 11/26/2012 12:20:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
White man build big fire, sit far away .. Indian build small fire, sit close

Currently, me Indian w/ 19" monitor .. hope to be White man next year w/ 24"+ !

Then, if I can find a nice combo desk chair/recliner,
any time not spent in my shop or the bathroom, I can pretty much just live right here !

LOL

47 posted on 11/26/2012 12:28:20 PM PST by tomkat (a million tiny cuts .. add yours daily .. be creative)
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To: tomkat
More :

AMD Launches New Piledriver-Based Opteron 6300 Family

Monday, November 05, 2012 - by Joel Hruska

AMD's new Piledriver-based Opterons are launching today, completing a product refresh that the company began last spring with its Trinity APUs. The new 12 & 16-core Piledriver parts are debuting as the Opteron 6300 series. Originally, AMD had planned to add still more cores with this refresh and had anticipated a line of 10 and 20-core products. The company scrapped this plan last year, stating instead that Piledriver was enough of an improvement that they saw no need to widen existing parts still further.

Now that the next generation of Opteron CPUs is here, what can we expect? In SPECjbb2005, at least, significant performance gains.




This graph isn't as informative as we'd like; SPECpower_ssj2008 is a power efficiency metric, not a straight benchmark score. The other two data points are more enlightening, as they predict increases of 8% and 7% in integer and floating-point operations. The problem is, even this isn't an apples-and-oranges comparison. The 6278 is a 2.4GHz chip with a 3.3GHz Turbo; the 6380 is a 2.5GHz CPU with a 3.4GHz Turbo. AMD, in other words, is only hitting 7-8% performance differentials by increasing clock speed by 4%.

The impact these new chips will have on pricing is less clear. AMD's own presentation states that "AMD Opteron 6300 Series Pricing will be approximately 10% higher than AMD's Opteron 6200 Series." Compare the company's listed price for the already-released Opteron 6276 against the Opteron 6376, however, and there's a small improvement. The 6276 is currently $849 at Newegg, with a clock speed of 2.3GHz. The 6376 is a 2.3GHz part with a higher Turbo frequency and a 1KU price of $703.

Here's the full set of product SKUs and launch prices:




The power consumption improvements are more noteworthy than clockspeed gains. AMD's fastest 115W Bulldozer/Interlagos part was the 6278, a chip with a 2.4GHz base speed and a 3.3GHz Turbo. AMD has since split its Turbo range into "Max" and "Max All Cores." The 6380 hits an "All Core" Turbo speed of 2.8GHz, which is a bit faster than the Interlagos chip when CPU speeds are averaged for each core. Keeping power consumption to 115W is a definite gain -- but it's not going to single-handedly reinvent AMD's server business.

AMD has begun putting more effort into the software side of the equation across its products, as evidenced by the company's recent partnerships with game developers and updated iterations of server and programming tools.



What does this ultimately mean for AMD's larger server business? That's unclear. The price increase actually hurts the value of the new chips; a 7-8% performance boost combined with a 10% cost adder doesn't exactly work out to a net positive. Power consumption may trend slightly lower, but not enough to give AMD a lot of wiggle room on price factors.

Currently, it's estimated that AMD only has 4-5% of the server market. The Opteron 6300 series advances the company's standing, but may not shift that figure very much.

48 posted on 11/26/2012 12:31:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: tomkat
I have a 19" around here.

My eyes said that was too small.

49 posted on 11/26/2012 12:38:08 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It seems as if Intel goes to a new socket design (new CPU requires new mobo) about every eighteen months. So for any homebuilder who builds a new PC less frequently than that, new CPU=new mobo is practically a reality right now.


50 posted on 11/26/2012 1:34:57 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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