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Questions tear at those who knew two slain Little Falls teens
Star Tribune ^ | November 26, 2012 | Joy Powell

Posted on 11/26/2012 9:37:12 AM PST by Uncle Chip

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1 posted on 11/26/2012 9:37:26 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Need a picture of a “Sympathy Meter” pegged at zero.


2 posted on 11/26/2012 9:43:14 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Lets leave the blame out of this for a minute.

This woman walked past a “Keep Out” sign toward a house where her two brothers were shot.

That doesn’t appear too bright to me.

What part of “keep out” doesn’t she understand? The same part her brothers didn’t understand/ According to the story they broke into the mans home and were found dead there.

You come into my home and you might get shot too, but I would call the police right after. Don;t know what’s with that—him not calling immediately I mean.


3 posted on 11/26/2012 9:45:31 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Uncle Chip

damn. home of Lindbergh. just down the road from my old stomping ground.. Little Falls was always a quiet little town as I recall.. sad to see the community caught up amidst such affairs but it is not uncommon across the land.. sounds like drugs played a role, the shooter/victim may have had issues as well.. CSI:Brainerd time.


4 posted on 11/26/2012 9:46:07 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Uncle Chip

Doesn’t make sense to wait 24 hours but it sounds like it was a justifiable shooting.

Of course the family members are saying they were good kids. Good kids don’t break into peoples homes.


5 posted on 11/26/2012 9:46:16 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Uncle Chip

After reading the story, this looks like a clear cut case of self defense. It appears to me that a junkie girl talked her male cousin into breaking into a man’s home and they both died for it. Then the sister of the male burglar takes the press to harass the brother of the victim (the man in jail for defending his life and home) and goes on to do the white trash version of “They wuz such goood boyz”


6 posted on 11/26/2012 9:47:22 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Venturer
Don;t know what’s with that—him not calling immediately I mean.

Time to set up the evidence as self-defense?

7 posted on 11/26/2012 9:52:50 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Uncle Chip

I remember a similar incident 41 years ago near Tulsa, OK. Some teens left school at lunch and broke into a bait shop. The owner came back from lunch and seeing the break in, he went in shooting.

No charges were pressed against him even though one teen was killed.


8 posted on 11/26/2012 9:57:40 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Well, never any way to be sure in these cases, but maybe he waited a whole day to report it because he was seriously worried what to do—afraid that the liberal authorities in Minnesota would probably try him for murder, and put him through endless legal hell.

Not that waiting a day would help, but it’s not always easy to stay cool in such a terrible situation.


9 posted on 11/26/2012 9:58:57 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: raybbr

Time to relocate the rest of his firearms and ammo, so that only the weapon USED IN SELF DEFENSE, gets confiscated.


10 posted on 11/26/2012 10:00:39 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Venturer

*** but I would call the police right after.***

***A series of break-ins had made Byron Smith, a 64-year-old retired U.S. State Department worker,***

Maybe he was afraid IT would be blamed on a YOU TUBE video.


11 posted on 11/26/2012 10:02:49 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Well, it’s not as if he drug them out of the house and hung them from the front gate as a fair warning to the other Yutes. I’ve often wondered what would happen to a homeowner who did that?


12 posted on 11/26/2012 10:08:48 AM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

they won an all-expenses paid trip to see St.Peter.


13 posted on 11/26/2012 10:11:54 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Venturer
Don;t know what’s with that—him not calling immediately I mean.

Heh... I have sometimes wondered what I would do in a similar situation where I blow away a home intruder. Would I call the cops, or just dispose of the body so as not to get involved in a bunch of paperwork, police interviews, possible revenge by the perp's thug family, possible prosecution by a liberal Democrat prosecutor (and all the attorney costs that would come with it), etc.

You know... I'd probably burn the body.

14 posted on 11/26/2012 10:16:39 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

That wield be a good way to ensure your prosecution to the max. I assume you know this and are being a tad blustery.


15 posted on 11/26/2012 10:23:19 AM PST by sakic
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To: TurboZamboni

“Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”

Exactly. Once you’ve crossed that line - someone’s property line - you lose most of the benefit of doubt about your intentions. I doubt that they were polite to the homeowner whom they were intending to rob, or worse.


16 posted on 11/26/2012 10:24:10 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Money quote -
“Yes, she had an addiction problem and stuff, but that doesn’t mean she deserves to get murdered at 18 years old,” Shaeffel said. “I understand they came there to rob them, or whatever, but shoot them in the shoulder and call the cops.”

I don’t think some younger folks have a grip on personal property, private property rights and the idea that something called Laws apply to all of us.

OH, and the English shows a Public Skool edukashun.


17 posted on 11/26/2012 10:32:16 AM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: All

More here with pictures:

Minnesota law stipulates that individuals are permitted to use deadly force when defending their homes, but authorities said that there was evidence to suggest that Smith may have gone beyond self defense.

‘A person has every right to defend themselves and their homes, even employing deadly force if necessary,’ Morrison County Sheriff Michel Wetzel said in a news release. ‘Circumstances of this case however, led deputies to believe that Smith went beyond that point.’

http://www.gadailynews.com/news/local/145751-little-falls-man-byron-smith-accused-of-killing-two-teen-burglars-not-reporting-shooting.html

Byron Smith was arrested after he told police officers of the shooting a day later, after they visited his home to investigate reports of suspicious activities.

‘Smith immediately told the deputies that he had shot and killed two people breaking into his home the day prior,’ the sheriff’s office said in a news release.


18 posted on 11/26/2012 10:35:07 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: sakic
I assume you know this and are being a tad blustery.

Yeah. That's it.

19 posted on 11/26/2012 10:36:59 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ASOC
"...but shoot them in the shoulder and call the cops.”

Too much TV.

20 posted on 11/26/2012 10:39:11 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Better just to shoot the weapon out of the bad guy’s hand.


21 posted on 11/26/2012 10:44:25 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: raybbr
Time to set up the evidence as self-defense?

The police might have wondered why they were shot in the basement if they broke a window in the upstairs bedroom to get in.

22 posted on 11/26/2012 10:50:01 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Venturer
According to another article, this was the 8th break in over the last few years. I would be a bit peeved by that point.

I'm guessing the homeowner may have been experiencing early-onset dementia, or was otherwise not tracking well.

23 posted on 11/26/2012 10:50:55 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Brady had attended the same school up through the previous school year, at which point he transferred to nearby Pillager High School.

"Pillager" -- you just can't make this stuff up.

24 posted on 11/26/2012 10:58:29 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Cicero
Star Tribune has more details:
Smith attempted to shoot her again, but his rifle jammed, prompting Kifer to laugh.

Upset, Smith, pulled out a revolver he had on him and shot her "more times than I needed to" in the chest, he said.

Smith dragged Kifer next to Brady as she gasped for her life. He pressed the revolver's barrel under her chin and pulled the trigger in what he described as a "good, clean finishing shot" that was meant to end her suffering.

Yes, I would think he went a bit beyond self-defense, if this is what he said.
25 posted on 11/26/2012 10:59:33 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Uncle Chip; TurboZamboni; Westbrook; NormsRevenge; driftdiver; RightOnTheBorder; G Larry; ...

See #25, and linked article, for more details. He appears to have admitted that after wounding them, he deliberately finished them off.


26 posted on 11/26/2012 11:05:03 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Uncle Chip
The police might have wondered why they were shot in the basement if they broke a window in the upstairs bedroom to get in.

He was in the basement, and shot each of them as they came down the basement stairs.

27 posted on 11/26/2012 11:14:20 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I thought about that too.


28 posted on 11/26/2012 11:25:33 AM PST by Venturer
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To: PapaBear3625

Then it looks like they’ve ALL 3 won stupid prizes.

No death penalty in MN, so he’s got that going for him.


29 posted on 11/26/2012 11:26:00 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: sakic

If you read all the stories, you will see that he went a tad far and so will probably go away for a long time.

He heard the first person coming down the stairs and shot him through the body. Then shot him again in the head at close range. The girl was coming down the stairs a short time later and he shot her as soon as he could see her hips. When he went to shoot her again, the rifle jammed. So he took out a pistol and shot her in the head from close range.

If that is a correct account of what happened I think he is in big trouble.

This is from his statements.


30 posted on 11/26/2012 11:29:43 AM PST by northman99
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To: PapaBear3625

From self-defense to 2nd degree murder with a pull of the trigger.


31 posted on 11/26/2012 11:32:26 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
From self-defense to 2nd degree murder with a pull of the trigger.

Against a 65 year old guy, a muscular 17 year old guy (from the picture in the article), even unarmed, is a mortal threat since he likely can beat an old guy to death. If the old guy is in bad physical condition, even an 18 year old girl can be a threat.

Once they're shot and on the ground, though, the plausible threat is greatly reduced. He should have just held them at gunpoint and called police.

32 posted on 11/26/2012 11:48:59 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Oooh!

I hate hearing that!

When the threat is stopped, render aid.

This at least requires calling 911.


33 posted on 11/26/2012 11:58:24 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: PapaBear3625

He shot them both in the hip before they got down the stairs. So he didn’t know or care who they were.

The first shot in the hip might have been self-defense, but the succeeding ones were most definitely murder.


34 posted on 11/26/2012 11:58:35 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Why would they go to the basement? I have to wonder if he didn’t know who they were because of some drug deal gone bad.


35 posted on 11/26/2012 12:10:58 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Heh... I have sometimes wondered what I would do in a similar situation where I blow away a home intruder. Would I call the cops, or just dispose of the body so as not to get involved in a bunch of paperwork, police interviews, possible revenge by the perp's thug family, possible prosecution by a liberal Democrat prosecutor (and all the attorney costs that would come with it), etc.

Dump the body on the porch of a neighbor you don't like.

36 posted on 11/26/2012 12:14:25 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

LOL.

I know you jest, but that’s probably be thought of in newspaper/TV stations all over the Twin Cities.

I predict this will be used by the DFL to further more criminal protection laws.


37 posted on 11/26/2012 12:57:24 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: PapaBear3625

This stinks to high heaven, it looks like these two petty criminal teens ran into a psycho killer.


38 posted on 11/26/2012 1:07:22 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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I am all for defending one’s life and property, and the lives and property of third parties,for that matter. But waiting a day to notify the authorities raises a red flag. If this part of the story is accurate, something is very wrong here.


39 posted on 11/26/2012 1:11:13 PM PST by Godwin1
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I am all for defending one’s life and property, and the lives and property of third parties,for that matter. But waiting a day to notify the authorities raises a red flag. If this part of the story is accurate, something is very wrong here.


40 posted on 11/26/2012 1:11:13 PM PST by Godwin1
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I am all for defending one’s life and property, and the lives and property of third parties,for that matter. But waiting a day to notify the authorities raises a red flag. If this part of the story is accurate, something is very wrong here.


41 posted on 11/26/2012 1:11:22 PM PST by Godwin1
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To: Godwin1

keep reading, it gets worse.


42 posted on 11/26/2012 1:22:22 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Uncle Chip

http://www.startribune.com/180853761.html?refer=y&refer=y

“The Sheriff’s Office said it has received only one previous report of a break-in at the home”

” Brady started coming down the stairs, and Smith shot him with a rifle by the time he saw the intruder’s hips.

Brady fell down the stairs and was looking up at Smith when the homeowner shot him in the face.

“I want him dead,” Smith explained to the investigator for the additional shot.

Smith put Brady’s body on a tarp and dragged him to an office workshop.

A few minutes later, Smith heard footsteps above him. As in Brady’s case, Kifer too started down the stairs and was shot by Smith by the time he saw her hips, sending her tumbling down the stairs.

Smith attempted to shoot her again, but his rifle jammed, prompting Kifer to laugh.

Upset, Smith, pulled out a revolver he had on him and shot her “more times than I needed to” in the chest, he said.

Smith dragged Kifer next to Brady as she gasped for her life. He pressed the revolver’s barrel under her chin and pulled the trigger in what he described as a “good, clean finishing shot” that was meant to end her suffering.”


43 posted on 11/26/2012 1:36:23 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Lancey Howard
You know... I'd probably burn the body.

I watch investigative ID shows with my wife, and many a burnt body has given up its killer.

He should have called the polizi, but as another poster said, seeings it's in Minniliberal land near Minneapolis, I can understand his hesitation.
44 posted on 11/26/2012 1:40:18 PM PST by Hedra (Just a former "Lewd fellow of the baser sort" Acts 17:5 (KJV))
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To: ansel12
two petty criminal teens ran into a psycho killer.

"Sheriff Michel Wetzel told reporters Monday afternoon that Smith explained to authorities that he didn't call immediately after killing the two because "it was Thanksgiving. He didn't want to trouble us on a holiday."

45 posted on 11/26/2012 1:50:16 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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He should have called the polizi, but as another poster said, seeings it's in Minniliberal land near Minneapolis, I can understand his hesitation.

No that wasn't the reason:

"Sheriff Michel Wetzel told reporters Monday afternoon that Smith explained to authorities that he didn't call immediately after killing the two because "it was Thanksgiving. He didn't want to trouble us on a holiday."

46 posted on 11/26/2012 1:54:54 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

This guy is either crazy or stupid, or maybe both. His own words will put him away for a ling time. He took a legal use of deadly force and turned it into murder.


47 posted on 11/26/2012 2:11:44 PM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: ansel12

My comments get posted a good ten minutes or so after I submit them, so I did not read that part.

That puts a whole new spin on this.

Sadly, he did moire than just defend his property, he executed them both.

this man has some demons that have been bugging him awhile, and I think her just attempted to exorcize them.


48 posted on 11/26/2012 2:12:35 PM PST by Hedra (Just a former "Lewd fellow of the baser sort" Acts 17:5 (KJV))
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To: ansel12

I’m wondering if the guy is even telling the truth about the girl (Kifer) laughing at him after already getting shot. If so - sounds like all sorts of crazy going on.


49 posted on 11/26/2012 2:25:39 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Uncle Chip

Well, he was a government employee, so he probably figured rules didn’t apply to him.


50 posted on 11/26/2012 2:29:50 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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