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Questions tear at those who knew two slain Little Falls teens
Star Tribune ^ | November 26, 2012 | Joy Powell

Posted on 11/26/2012 9:37:12 AM PST by Uncle Chip

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To: ansel12
This stinks to high heaven, it looks like these two petty criminal teens ran into a psycho killer.

Or just somebody who was just really, really fed up over his house being broken into for the eighth time.

51 posted on 11/26/2012 2:42:34 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Except that the law says that there was only one break in, and that has nothing to do with being a Psycho killer.

A psycho killer does what this guy did, murder people, and make sure that they are finished off, and then spends 24 hours trying to figure out the best way to handle the situation after moving the bodies.


52 posted on 11/26/2012 3:42:14 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: 21twelve

It seems unlikely that the girl laughed after seeing her boyfriend killed, finished off, and placed onto a tarp, and herself being wounded and lying in the killer’s basement.

It isn’t unlikely that he perceived her sneering at him, or even laughing at him though.

I’m kind of curious about the whole basement thing, and the separate appearances of the girl heading for the basement after the multiple shootings of her boyfriend and in effect creating another execution set up, I wonder how they really ended up in the basement.


53 posted on 11/26/2012 3:52:23 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Hedra; Uncle Chip

This has happened before, of a couple of criminal types running into a psycho killer type who is crazy as a loon.


54 posted on 11/26/2012 3:55:22 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12
This has happened before ...

I remember that -- two kids named Hansel and Gretel going in to rob some old witch.

55 posted on 11/26/2012 4:25:22 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: peeps36

“This guy is either crazy or stupid, or maybe both”

“...a 64-year-old retired U.S. State Department worker...” sounds like someone they could have used in Benghazi.

I can’t say as I blame him. There was a time when, if you borke into someone’s house, your life was forfeit and the criminals knew it.


56 posted on 11/26/2012 4:25:31 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: ansel12

Good point. Unless she takes her cues from the cheesy horror flicks. Her cousin (not boyfriend) shot, loud noises falling down the stairs and screaming, another shot, and then the loud footsteps of the old pyscho dragging him off.

The door opens with the hot-pants clad young girl calling down “Johnny - are you okay!?”

Sorry to make light of this story - especially if these two kids did nothing wrong. Of course he was justified in shooting them if they broke in. Executing them - not so much.


57 posted on 11/26/2012 4:27:07 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: ansel12

“Except that the law says that there was only one break in, and that has nothing to do with being a Psycho killer.”

Did you ever wonder when they say crime has gone down that maybe (besides the cops faking the stats) people just quit reporting crimes since it does no good?

I’ve had a number of things (3 lawnmowers and some statuary) stolen from my yard and I never once called the cops.


58 posted on 11/26/2012 4:29:42 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Lancey Howard

You should call the police and report that you were attacked in your home and that you had to defend yourself. Please send a slow-rolling ambulance or two.


59 posted on 11/26/2012 4:29:55 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Well, he was a government employee, so he probably figured rules didn’t apply to him.

Well, there was one rule he kept:

Don't trouble a government employee on Thanksgiving or other holiday. Wait til the next day.

60 posted on 11/26/2012 4:35:36 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Here's another account of the story. The guy was a security officer at the State Dept. Sounds like he would have been useful in Benghazi, after reading what he did to these would-be burglars.
61 posted on 11/26/2012 4:40:33 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: PLMerite

Sure, you are correct, but I don’t think that we need to accept the claim of a twisted murderer with 20 years in the security business, telling us that his house has been burgled 8 times in recent years, and that explains the bodies hidden in his basement as the neighborhood searched for the teens.

It sure doesn’t explain him executing them, both unarmed, and the second a female, this is one creepy dude, and there was a lot going on in that basement, and it was all being done by him.


62 posted on 11/26/2012 4:51:05 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Uncle Chip

——while principal Scott Doss of Pillager High School, where Brady had attended, said he had a ‘million-dollar smile-——

Well then, he is obviously innocent.... punk burglar don’t have million dollar smiles / S


63 posted on 11/26/2012 4:51:38 PM PST by Popman
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To: rabidralph
"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again," Smith told investigators

Wow. He wanted to teach her a lesson. But as a former government employee, he should have realized that you have to have a teaching certificate to do that.

64 posted on 11/26/2012 4:51:55 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I was thinking of the pharmacist that was convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life.

For the first few hours he appeared to be a citizen hero, he was in shootout in his drugstore and killed one of the two teen robbers, both of who had guns, and he described the bullets whizzing by, and how he was hit in the arm, and he showed his bandaged arm to the cops, he explained of his having commanded troops in combat, and the mass of killing that he had done with his 50cal machine gun, and so on.

The video revealed that he had executed an unconscious teen who had never been armed, after calmly going over to fetch another pistol, after chasing the other guy out of the store, the armed teen had never fired before fleeing, there was no shootout, and his Desert Storm war stories were totally made up, he wasn’t there, he seemed to have a history of living in a Rambo fantasy.

It was another case of a couple of criminal types running into a psycho killer type, who is crazy as a loon.


65 posted on 11/26/2012 5:06:18 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Uncle Chip

LOL!


66 posted on 11/26/2012 5:09:15 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: 21twelve

That basement became quite a killing place, he was murdering them, and not with clean shots.
They were unarmed, and first he would wound them below the waist, he seems very much in control of the situation, and very deliberative, I think it is OK to guess that he was talking to them while he was killing them, the execution shots were close, intimate, and in the face, as they lay on their backs, on the floor looking at him.

“”Wetzel said that while the shootings happened on Thursday, Smith waited until Friday to report the deaths, explaining that “he didn’t want to trouble us on a holiday.”

In the complaint, Smith said he was in his basement when he heard a window breaking upstairs, followed by footsteps that eventually approached the basement stairwell. Smith said he fired when Brady came into view from the waist down.

After the teen fell down the stairs, Smith said he shot him in the face as he lay on the floor.

“I want him dead,” the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.

Smith said he dragged Brady’s body into his basement workshop, then sat down on his chair. After a few minutes, Kifer began coming down the stairs and he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, he said.

After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver, he dragged her next to Brady. With her still gasping for air, he fired a shot under her chin “up into the cranium,” the complaint says.

“Smith described it as `a good clean finishing shot,’” according to the complaint.

The next day he asked a neighbor to recommend a good lawyer, according to the complaint. He later asked his neighbor to call the police.””


67 posted on 11/26/2012 5:19:02 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12
He was a security officer for the State Department. Do you think that he would fearfully cower down in the basement if he heard glass breaking upstairs???

He may have caught them breaking in and then took them down into the basement, interrogated them about where his stuff was, and then executed them. I wouldn't doubt that for a moment with this guy .

And I find it hard to believe that the girl would come down into the basement after hearing the gunshots and would not have been hightailing it out of there.

68 posted on 11/26/2012 5:50:06 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip; ansel12

Or maybe the broken glass was a ruse.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the two kids left their Thanksgiving Day festivities to find a quiet place out in the woods to smoke a joint or something. Ended up on or near his property and that was enough to set the old guy off.

If it is true he has been broken into 8 times then that would be enough in some people’s enraged minds to execute even trespassers.

I imagine the forensics will get it sorted out easily enough.


69 posted on 11/26/2012 7:02:19 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: northman99

If he did those things he forfeits any sort of benefit of the doubt. His best bet is temporary insanity in that case.


70 posted on 11/26/2012 7:15:01 PM PST by sakic
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To: Uncle Chip

Something is wrong here. If a shoot a criminal breaking into my place that’s self defense. If I shoot him and then after realizing that he’s not dead I finish him off with a head shot that’s not self defense. And leaving two bodies stiffining in the basement for a day isn’t exactly normal. That he happened to have a tarp just lying around in the basement is interesting as well. I think he’s going to do some time in prison unless his lawyers can convince a jury that he was so freaked out that he simply lost his mind.


71 posted on 11/26/2012 7:46:55 PM PST by stellaluna
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