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History buffs gather in River Vale to mark 234 years since the Baylor Massacre
NorthJersey.com ^ | 09.24.12 | TATIANA SCHLOSSBERG

Posted on 11/26/2012 5:20:41 PM PST by Coleus

RIVER VALE — At the 234th commemoration on Monday of the Baylor Massacre, it was easy to see how New Jersey earned the nickname Crossroads of the Revolution. River Vale Historian Ed Moderacki wears a British infantry uniform as he helps Lincoln Schefter of Hackensack hold a musket at the site of the Baylor Massacre.

The site, along the banks of the Hackensack River near Red Oak Drive, played host to a skirmish that took place in the middle of the night on Sept. 28, 1778, in which 54 soldiers from the rag-tag Continental Army were killed, captured or wounded, said Ed Moderacki, the township historian who was dressed as a British soldier for the event.

But the story of the Baylor Massacre continues into the late 20th century: In 1967 the bodies of six of the dead, soldiers from Virginia, were discovered during an archaeological dig on a tract of land that had been set aside for a housing development.

“How do we know these men weren’t just bodies dumped by the mob in the 1930s?” Moderacki asked the assembled crowd of around 40 people, a mix of children, their parents and curious adults. “From the buttons and buckles found with the bodies, we were able to identify one of the soldiers,” he said.

John Muller, director of Fort Lee Historic Park, was also on hand to deliver some lessons from the past, though he was dressed as an American soldier. “The important thing is that we aren’t doing a reenactment, and we don’t glorify war,” he said, holding up an 18th century pistol. “It was a terrible bloody thing. What we’re talking about is history, and the best way to talk about history is from artifacts.”

The lesson was not lost on Larissa Schefter, 11, of Hackensack, who is homeschooled. “I’m one of those people who likes artifacts, and I think they’re beautiful,” she said. “I liked learning that it’s not about the sword or death, it’s about how people lived.”

Muller said he was pleased by the turnout. “It restores my faith in people,” he said. “Who’s going to tell the stories for the next group of people if you don’t keep telling them? When you study things and other things, remember that the whole world isn’t Williamsburg, it’s not all clean and tidy like it is down there.”

Grace Heck, 10, a Hillsdale resident, who is also homeschooled, liked learning about New Jersey’s role in the Revolution. “It makes me proud to know that something happened here,” she said. “American history isn’t my favorite though.”

Moderacki, who boasted of New Jersey’s role in turning the tides of the war, summed up the importance of the event. “People should remember that the sacrifice was made by the soldiers as part of the sacrifice made by Americans even before the Revolution, that they were continuing the ideas of the Founding Fathers,” he said.


TOPICS: History; Local News
KEYWORDS: baylormassacre; bergencounty; continentalarmy; godsgravesglyphs; hackensackriver; nj; revolutionarywar; rivervale; xrdsrev

1 posted on 11/26/2012 5:20:48 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Pharmboy; XRdsRev

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2 posted on 11/26/2012 5:21:59 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Baylor, Waco, Massacre.


3 posted on 11/26/2012 5:36:48 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Coleus

The British commander, Charles “No Flint” Grey ordered his men to go in with no flints on their muskets and using only bayonets, the same tactic he used successfully at the Battle of Paoli.


4 posted on 11/26/2012 5:43:26 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Coleus

From the thread’s title, one might have thought this was about the recent Baylor-Kansas State game. Baylor University is named for a great-nephew of Col. George Baylor, the Revolutionary officer whose unit was overrun.


5 posted on 11/26/2012 5:44:55 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Coleus
Thanks for posting - I'm a New Jersey history buff. It's nice to see this event commemorated every year.

Something peculiar about this year is that the article was written by a daughter of Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg.

I note Ms. Schlossberg quotes two homeschooled students in her report on the commemoration. (I doubt Ms. Schlossberg sought them out for any special attention ... more likely she latched onto them because they were the only students attending. )

6 posted on 11/26/2012 5:48:55 PM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Coleus
I remember as a very young kid when the bodies of the fallen dragoons were found. The site is about five miles from where I grew up, about 2 miles where I currently live.

The prisoners from the massacre were interrogated at the Reformed Church in Tappan, NY by Maj. John Andre. After Andre's capture as a spy in Tarrytown, NY, Gen. George Washington staged Andre's espionage trial in the same church were he conducted his interrogations of Baylor's men. Andre was hanged down the street from the church on the Tappan NY, Northvale NJ border.

7 posted on 11/26/2012 6:06:27 PM PST by gusty
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To: Sawdring

I’m watching revisionist WW Two History as told by Oliver Stone on Showtime. Suddenly, they move to re-hab Communist agent and two-time Roosevelt VP Henry Wallace. Of course, Oliver and company have their own agenda! No?


8 posted on 11/26/2012 6:18:45 PM PST by STD (“Cogito, ergo armatum sum)
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To: Coleus; All

I think the Baylor Massacre got re-enacted last week vs Kansas State.


9 posted on 11/26/2012 6:22:22 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Marco Rubio is not a Conservative. "Amnesty Liberals" are never Conservative)
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To: Coleus; indcons; Chani; thefactor; blam; aculeus; ELS; Doctor Raoul; mainepatsfan; timpad; ...
Thanks much for the post and ping, Coleus. This is a great reminder of the sacrifices made by the Patriots so we would be free. "A Republic if you can keep it." Indeed.

Here's the story of the massacre.

The RevWar/Colonial History/General Washington ping list

10 posted on 11/26/2012 6:58:56 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Coleus; indcons; Chani; thefactor; blam; aculeus; ELS; Doctor Raoul; mainepatsfan; timpad; ...
Thanks much for the post and ping, Coleus. This is a great reminder of the sacrifices made by the Patriots so we would be free. "A Republic if you can keep it." Indeed.

Here's the story of the massacre.

The RevWar/Colonial History/General Washington ping list

11 posted on 11/26/2012 6:59:56 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: gusty

Wow. I never knew any of this and I grew up around there and love Revolutionary War History. I thought Andre was beloved by Continentals who petitioned Washington not to hang him. Love Washington even more now


12 posted on 11/26/2012 7:07:46 PM PST by MattinNJ (Col. West in 2016!!!!!!!!)
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To: Pharmboy

Brits were too afraid to come out and fight during the day.


13 posted on 11/26/2012 7:21:38 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (There goes the dominoes...)
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To: Fiji Hill

thanks for the info. I wouldn’t have put the 2 together.


14 posted on 11/26/2012 7:53:16 PM PST by Coleus
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To: MattinNJ

Andre was well liked by some of Washington’s officers, and the intention was to exchange him for American prisoners. However, Andre’s snobbishness led to his demise. He couldn’t help himself in writing insulting letters to Washington during his captivity. Just when Washington was starting to listen to his officers, Andre would rifle off another letter to Washington that was insulting in tone to the General.


15 posted on 11/26/2012 9:21:10 PM PST by gusty
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To: Fiji Hill

Wow, I’ll add that to my RW trivia list. Thanks! You learn something new on FR every day.


16 posted on 11/27/2012 10:24:55 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Happy 10th FR birthday to meeeeeeeeee)
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To: Pharmboy

Bttt


17 posted on 11/28/2012 2:04:43 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Pharmboy

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Pharmboy.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


18 posted on 11/28/2012 7:34:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Pharmboy; SunkenCiv
This is a photo taken in 1967 during the excavation of the Baylor massacre site of 1778 in Rivervale, NJ (Bergen County) not too far from the malls.


19 posted on 12/29/2012 9:15:45 AM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Thanks Coleus, and long time no hear from.


20 posted on 12/29/2012 11:17:52 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

yes, same here, how are you doing? Happy New Year.


21 posted on 01/01/2013 2:17:04 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Happy new year!


22 posted on 01/01/2013 8:14:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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