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Heisman 2012 [Sports Vanity]
11-27-2012 | re_nortex

Posted on 11/27/2012 9:48:27 AM PST by re_nortex

At this point of the college football season, with some crucial games still on tap for this weekend, the frontrunners in the Heisman race are A&M's sensational freshman QB Johnny Manziel and game-changer Manti Te'o of Notre Dame. Still in the hunt was once heavily-favored Colin Klein of Kansas State. Vanishing completely after an impressive start is West Virginia's Geno Smith.

I'd personally like to see Johnny Manziel win the trophy this year and the odds are evidently in his favor. But, to play the part of a contrarian, here's what could derail the hopes of those backing him for this prestigious award.



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KEYWORDS: 2012review; athletes; collegefootball; heisman; manziel; tamu; vanity
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So fellow FReepers and college football fans, what are your thoughts? Will Johnny Manziel get the hardware this year? I think he is the most deserving but I don't get a vote.
1 posted on 11/27/2012 9:48:36 AM PST by re_nortex
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To: re_nortex
THE CASE FOR TEO:

The dust of the college football season, and more specifically the Heisman race, has more or less settled at this point with the exception of two players. Many less worthy candidates have been brushed aside by poor performance, team failure, or both. Those who are left are, of course, "Johnny Football" Manziel of Texas A&M and our own Manti Te'o. Let's take a deeper look at their candidacies.

Notre Dame senior Manti Te'o is the unquestioned leader - on both sides of the ball - of the #1 team in the country. He is also the captain and, as middle linebacker, essentially the quarterback of the #1 defense in the country; while the defense's success is certainly attributable to many superlative individual efforts, Te'o's leadership and talent is a large reason why it has been as good as it has. As a unit, that defense leads the country in scoring defense versus FBS opponents and scoring defense versus ranked opponents, holding its opponents collectively to 19.2 points per game below their scoring averages, and has been the primary reason that Notre Dame climbed from unranked to #1 with a 12-0 regular season. Individually, Te'o leads the nation in takeaways with nine; his seven interceptions are good for second in the nation overall, which is exceptional for a middle linebacker and the most for any FBS linebacker in 12 years (and the last linebacker to have that many, Rice's Dan Dawson in 2000, was a 219-lb. hybrid who participated in the NFL combine as a safety - not a linebacker in the conventional sense).

Te'o has played his best on the biggest stages this season: In the first critical road test for the Irish against then-#10 Michigan State, he had a pass broken up, tackle for loss, and a fumble recovery in support of a dominating defensive performance that effectively killed the Heisman candidacy of Le'veon Bell. Against rival and then-#18 Michigan he recorded a tackle for loss and two interceptions of former Heisman candidate Denard Robinson, and hurried Robinson and a halfback into two others. In an overtime win against current #8 Stanford, he recorded 11 tackles and was instrumental in the overtime goal line stand that sealed the game. On the road against current #11 Oklahoma, he had two tackles for loss, one an early drive-killing sack, and a late game-clinching interception of Landry Jones, another former Heisman candidate. In the regular season finale against hated rival and preseason #1 USC, he set the tone for the second half with yet another momentum-changing interception while dropping into coverage on Heisman candidate Marqise Lee. He is only the second player in the illustrious history of Notre Dame to record over 100 tackles in three consecutive seasons. He currently stands third in Notre Dame history in tackles, behind only legends Bob Crable and Bob Golic. His personal story of class, integrity, and perseverance has been well-documented; he has handled the tragic loss of family with uncommon grace and has inspired countless people inside and outside the Notre Dame family through the quality of his character in ways that go far beyond the game of football.

Texas A&M's redshirt freshman Johnny Manziel has done an admirable job helping #9 Texas A&M to an inaugural SEC season that has exceeded the expectations of many while providing an exciting highlight reel and impressive statistical totals. The single event that catapulted "Johnny Football" into the Heisman conversation was Texas A&M's stunning upset of Alabama, a remarkable achievement indeed. However, one game is not enough to support a Heisman candidacy in itself, and when you apply some scrutiny to Manziel's season it does not stand up as it must to prove he is the best college football player in the nation this year. The Alabama upset aside, Texas A&M's schedule has not been all that impressive - against the three currently-ranked teams on it, Texas A&M is 1-2. The AP recap of the loss to then-#24 (and current #3) Florida in week 2 had this to say of Manziel's performance in a game Texas A&M lost by a field goal: "Texas A&M freshman quarterback Johnny Manziel threw for 173 yards and ran for 60 more, but he couldn't move A&M's offense after halftime." The AP recap of the loss to then-#6 (and current #7) LSU in week 7 included this summary of Manziel's performance: "[Manziel] completed 29-of-56 passes for 276 yards and also threw three interceptions. He was also the league's leading rusher coming into the game and was held to 27 yards on 17 carries." Three interceptions in a game Texas A&M lost by five points.

Just as significant as poor performance against good teams is that a good portion of Manziel's gaudy individual stats came against poor teams. Against FCS opponents South Carolina State and Sam Houston State, Manziel was 29/40 passing for 441 yards, 6 touchdowns and 1 interception, while he had 24 carries for 178 yards and 4 touchdowns. Further, in a 59-57 win over Louisiana Tech and its last-ranked FBS defense, he went 24/40 passing for 395 yards, three touchdowns, and one interception along with 19 carries for 181 yards and three touchdowns. Putting all that together: Against Texas A&M's three weakest defensive opponents Manziel threw for 836 yards (10.5 yards per attempt), 9 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions while running for 359 yards (8.3 yards per carry) and 7 touchdowns. In Texas A&M's three toughest games, however, he threw for 702 yards (at a paltry 6.0 yards per attempt), 2 touchdowns, and three interceptions, while running for 179 yards (at 3.4 yards per carry) and 1 touchdown. He feasted on soft opponents and, in two out of three chances on the big stage, wilted. Nationally, he ranks only 18th in passer rating. And in an unfortunate display of Heisman pandering, he attempted an extra point against FCS Sam Houston State when Texas A&M was up 40-0. He missed, appropriately. As for career performance, clearly as a redshirt freshman his career only consists of this season. Finally, while denigrating another's character is a bit too unseemly in a debate like this, it is fair to note that perhaps nobody in football is of better character and integrity than Manti Te'o - and certainly not Johnny Manziel, as nice a guy as he may be.

If you vote based on who has a more exciting highlight reel, the arguable choice is Manziel (depending on your philosophical opinion of offense vs. defense).

If you vote based on who has the catchier nickname, the clear choice is Manziel.

If you vote based on who the best player on the best team is, the clear choice is Te'o.

If you vote based on who has had the best individual performances in the biggest games, the clear choice is Te'o.

If you vote based on who has had a better career, the clear choice is Te'o.

If you vote based on who best exemplifies the official criterion of the award - "The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity" - the clear choice is Te'o.

2 posted on 11/27/2012 9:53:09 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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It will be interesting. Manziel is incredible, but I suspect voters will not give it to a freshman. Te’o would be a great pick for the Heisman, but it is seldom they do defense..last I recall was Charles Woodson who also was an all time special teams great. Additionally, for every voter who is anti-SEC or anti-south, there may be two who are anti-Notre Dame.

If not either of them, I have no clue. Maybe we will see a surprise leader after these games this weekend.


3 posted on 11/27/2012 9:56:02 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: re_nortex

IMHO the Heisman has become a joke. It’s no longer an award for the best player in college football. It’s a hype/popularity contest for QBs and RBs.

Nobody doubted Calvin Johnson was the best player in college football at the time, yet because he was a WR he didn’t win.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 9:56:42 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: ilgipper; MrChips
It will be interesting. Manziel is incredible, but I suspect voters will not give it to a freshman. Te’o would be a great pick for the Heisman, but it is seldom they do defense.

Another factor involving Johnny Manziel, and I'm unsure whether it's a pro or con, was the fact that he didn't speak publicly until last night. This may have added to an aura of mystery and fascination about "Johnny Football". I think he did conduct himself quite well when the media was finally able to hear him, demonstrating a balance between confidence and humility.

Manti Te'o is very well spoken and gave a terrific postgame interview after the win over USC. Since he's a senior and was such an integral part of the Irish's remarkable season, he does have a strong case, even for a defensive player. There could be strong sentiment for Te'o this year along with Notre Dame being a nationally-recognized program.

5 posted on 11/27/2012 10:05:55 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex
The FULL criteria of the Heisman. Sounds like Teo to me!

The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents.

6 posted on 11/27/2012 10:11:22 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: re_nortex

I don’t like the Heisman Trophy. For one thing, football is a team sport that requires all of the team’s members, not just some superstar, to succeed. For another, the award usually goes to players in “glamor” positions such as quarterback and running back. As far as I know, no lineman has ever won the Heisman, even though there were several who deserved it such as Ohio State’s John Hicks in 1973.

The award also goes mostly to players from big schools that get a lot of TV exposure. Thus Ed Marinaro, arguably the best running back in the country, was passed over in 1971 because he played for Cornell. And for some reason, they don’t wait for the season to conclude before they start voting. Thus, Anthony Davis missed out in 1974 because most of the votes were in when he scored four touchdowns against Notre Dame during the last game of the regular season.

The least they could do would be to award the trophy after the bowl games.


7 posted on 11/27/2012 10:14:00 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: re_nortex

I would like to see Kadeem Carey of the U.of Arizona among the mix. But other than that, I vote for Manziel. This has more to do with me seeing Manziel play in multiple games against Top 10 teams.


8 posted on 11/27/2012 10:16:48 AM PST by petitfour
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To: MrChips

After reading that, the best college football player for this year’s Heisman Trophy is Barrett Jones of the University of Alabama. No question about it.


9 posted on 11/27/2012 10:19:17 AM PST by petitfour
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To: re_nortex
I would vote for Jadaveon Clowny of South Carolina.

His performance against then #11 Clemson last Saturday was just phenomenal. Last week he played defensive end, down lineman and linebacker. He created havoc through out the game.

He is a freak of nature who truly alters the way an opposing offense plays.

10 posted on 11/27/2012 10:21:43 AM PST by Gamecock (Bayonets, Benghazi, Balls, Binders, Big Bird, Birth Control, BS.....)
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To: MrChips

I would like to see Johnny football face Jadeveon Clowney


11 posted on 11/27/2012 10:22:27 AM PST by Edgar3 (Don't THREAD on me!)
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To: re_nortex
I'd like to see it go to Manziel but i'm prejudiced by the fact i live in Kerrville
where he played High School football.

TFND

12 posted on 11/27/2012 10:24:34 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: petitfour

MMMmmm. Well, let’s see, the consensus seems to be that the choice is Manti Teo, Marquise Lee, Braxton Miller, Johnny Manziel, and Collin Klein . . . . I don’t seem to see the name “Jones.” Oh yeah, he’s the guy who lost to Manziel, right?


13 posted on 11/27/2012 10:31:04 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: re_nortex
Sure, Klein had a terrible night against Baylor but consider the following: Image and video hosting by TinyPic
14 posted on 11/27/2012 10:33:58 AM PST by Man from Oz
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To: re_nortex

Homer Alert!

I’d like to see Braxton Miller get it...but then every year, I want one of my Buckeyes to get it, or some other major hardware.

Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good. We had alot of luck this season...


15 posted on 11/27/2012 10:34:21 AM PST by LadyBuck (Some day very soon, Life's little Twinkie gauge is gonna go......empty.)
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To: re_nortex

Tavon Austin is arguably the best all around player in the country but doesn’t have a prayer.


16 posted on 11/27/2012 10:38:00 AM PST by cork (Remember Bengazi!)
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To: Liberty Valance
CBS Sports Heisman Pundit: ‘Start striking that pose, Johnny Manziel’

Texas A&M’s 59-29 route of Missouri on Kyle Field was once again led by the transcendant freshman quarterback, Johnny Manziel.

He finished the game with five touchdowns and broke the SEC single season total offense record beating out Cam Newton and Tim Tebow in the process.

Manziel went down in the game with a knee injury and returned to fuel yet another lopsided A&M victory. He may have led the Heisman Trophy voting before A&M’s final game of the regular season but his effort Saturday may have sealed the deal writes Chris Huston of CBS Sports.

“Johnny Manziel’s 372 passing yards, 67 rushing yards and five total touchdowns in Texas A&M’s 59-29 rout of Missouri puts him on the verge of a historic first,” Huston said. “Simply put, by virtue of his record-breaking performance this season, the fabulous dual-threat quarterback has all-but-clinched the 2012 Heisman Trophy, which means he’s set to become the first freshman in the 78 years of the award to be so honored.”

Despite leading the race by a slim margin going into one of the final weeks of regular season play, Manziel was able to pull off miraculous plays to add on to his already spectacular highlight reel.

Huston writes that if the votes were submitted this week they would be Manziel at No. 1 and Notre Dame’s Manti Te’o at No. 2 with Collin Klein, Braxton Miller and Marqise Lee following.

Huston also notes that Manziel would be the first freshman to win college football’s prestigious award but would be the second player hailing from Tyler, Texas to win it as Earl Campbell won in 1997.

17 posted on 11/27/2012 10:41:01 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: MrChips

LOL


18 posted on 11/27/2012 10:41:45 AM PST by petitfour
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To: petitfour
Hate Norte Dame. Hate the SEC, but Barrett Jones is a Memphian. Went to ECS, where my grandson-in-law is a teacher and coach.
19 posted on 11/27/2012 10:44:02 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Edgar3

“Jadeveon Clowney”

What drug were his parents on when they named him?


20 posted on 11/27/2012 10:45:40 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: Coldwater Creek

Notre


21 posted on 11/27/2012 10:47:43 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: MrChips

He is a good player, but hands down Jaydaveon Clowney from USC (The University of South Carolina) is far better.


22 posted on 11/27/2012 10:53:46 AM PST by MissEdie (America went to the polls on 11-6-12 and all we got was a socialist thug and a dottering old fool.)
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To: re_nortex

And Manziel didn’t beat Florida.


23 posted on 11/27/2012 10:58:21 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: re_nortex
Actually, though even then, I knew Manziel was something special

"A&M’s future is very bright, Manziel looks like he’s going to be a star, they are recruiting lights out." posted on Mon Sep 17 2012 15:04:33 GMT-0500

24 posted on 11/27/2012 11:04:36 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: MissEdie

Apparently, not against LSU or Florida. I do agree that he is a very good player most of the time. And I loved the SC-GA game!


25 posted on 11/27/2012 11:04:53 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MissEdie

Apparently, not against LSU or Florida. I do agree that he is a very good player most of the time. And I loved the SC-GA game!


26 posted on 11/27/2012 11:07:14 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Man from Oz

I think UTex still has some say in whether Klein gets to a BCS game, not to mention how Kent State might figure into the mix.


27 posted on 11/27/2012 11:08:20 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

Klein will carve up UT.


28 posted on 11/27/2012 11:09:24 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Klein will carve up UT.

Like a Thanksgiving turkey.
29 posted on 11/27/2012 11:15:12 AM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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To: T-Bird45

Yes Sir, you are correct. Counting chickens.... Klein will have to have a A ++++ day with zero mistakes..


30 posted on 11/27/2012 11:21:57 AM PST by Man from Oz
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To: re_nortex

Are any of them open and vocal Christians?

That will help you handicap it, since we all know that Tim Tebow went to the bottom of the pile once he came out as “one of those”.


31 posted on 11/27/2012 11:27:45 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The winners since Tebow have all been vocal Christians, haven’t they?


32 posted on 11/27/2012 11:31:06 AM PST by petitfour
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To: Man from Oz
Klein is good but some middle school coach in Colorado should have taught him proper throwing mechanics. It is down right painful to watch him throw the ball. I heard they sent him to the Peyton Manning camp or some such place but they said it was a lost cause.
33 posted on 11/27/2012 11:32:23 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: Buckeye McFrog

RG III?


34 posted on 11/27/2012 11:33:29 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: petitfour
The Kansas-State kid, Klein, mentions his Faith in Jesus every time he is interviewed.

Also, he he the only contender that has a game yet to play before the vote?

35 posted on 11/27/2012 11:37:45 AM PST by jungleboy
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To: Man from Oz; dfwgator; crosshairs
Yes Sir, you are correct. Counting chickens.... Klein will have to have a A ++++ day with zero mistakes..

Speaking as a fan of a team (OK State) that is one cross-eyed ref's blown/missed goal line fumble call from beating UT, I'm in favor of the scenario you have proposed above. I'm originally from KS and likely would have gone to K-State if I had finished HS there instead of in OK.

36 posted on 11/27/2012 11:49:22 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: re_nortex

My Chiefs never have it easy. I was all pumped about them coming in first for the April draft. They had competition for weeks, but now they are the only one win team in the NFL. However, and the post-game hosts didn’t mean to say the QB choices would suck in this upcoming draft, the two QBS that people had been suspecting would go first or in the top of the draft, Matt Barkley and Geno Smith, have been underachieving so now they look a whole lot worse. And Kansas City needs a better QB than Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn. Quinn is a dud who was drafted in the first round.


37 posted on 11/27/2012 12:24:15 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: re_nortex

Just as voters were enthralled with being in on voting for the first black president, so too will they want to elect the first freshman Heisman winner.


38 posted on 11/27/2012 12:27:21 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: re_nortex

I like Johnny Football!

I think they’re going to give it to Notre Dame’s Teo Manti.


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To: MrChips
Well, let’s see, the consensus seems to be that the choice is Manti Teo, Marquise Lee, Braxton Miller, Johnny Manziel, and Collin Klein . . . .

My choice would be Tommy Edwards of Occidental College, who threw for a mile and a half this season. True, the defensively-challenged Tigers are 2-7, but at least they beat the Pomona Sage Hens and the Claremont Stags, although one of their losses was to the Whittier Poets.

41 posted on 11/27/2012 2:20:34 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Fiji Hill
The Poets! LOL Now that is funny!
42 posted on 11/27/2012 3:04:36 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Try not to hate so much. Be good to yourself.


43 posted on 11/27/2012 3:06:58 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Coldwater Creek
Hate Notre Dame. Hate the SEC

Not a big fan of the SEC, but the USC Trojans don't play them that often--and as far as I know, Occidental College has never played them at all--so I don't feel that much animosity.

I, too, hate Notre Dame, but I might root for the Domers if they played Kim Il-sung University, the University of Havana, or Islamic University of Gaza.

44 posted on 11/27/2012 7:22:25 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Fiji Hill
Grew up in So. Calif, but have lived in the South for over 40 years. My dislike for the SEC is probably from having Archie Manning and Ole Miss crammed down our throats.
45 posted on 11/28/2012 5:48:45 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: MrChips

Go Johnny Go!!! Have you really seen him play!!! He is absolutely amazing!!!!!!!!!!!


46 posted on 12/04/2012 11:44:47 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Liberty Valance

That QB Tivy has now may be a contender as well, if when he gets up there.

He was pretty slippery when we played em in Seguin... Very Quick.

But there sure were a lot of complaints about the Refs in Kerrville from thier opponents at K Tivy’s homegames.


47 posted on 12/04/2012 11:51:02 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Avenge me Girls AVENEGE ME!!!! ( I don't have any son's))
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To: Rightly Biased
"But there sure were a lot of complaints about the Refs in Kerrville from thier opponents at K Tivy’s homegames."

We have refs in Kerrville? I shall complain to the school board and have them removed at once ;o)

But seriously, we've been blessed of late with hustling, slippery QB's.

And from all I've heard (Dan Patrick) Te'o is a shoe-in for the Heisman. We shall see ...

48 posted on 12/04/2012 1:44:46 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

I bet its Te’o as well.

I couldn’t figure out how to say that the Hays and Lockhart fans and coaches said the Refs at the Tivy homegames seemed a bit biased...

I told em its cause they had to drive so far to get out there so everything seemed biased.

I just know that young man that is playing QB for the Antlers is good.. is he a Jr?


49 posted on 12/04/2012 2:33:14 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Avenge me Girls AVENEGE ME!!!! ( I don't have any son's))
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To: Rightly Biased
Parks McNeil is a senior

Tivy Quarterback Parks McNeil (7, above) tries to elude a pair of Cedar Park defenders during the Antlers’ Class 4A Division II area-round playoff against the Timberwolves Saturday in San Marcos. McNeil ran for two touchdowns and tossed a third, but Cedar Park ended the Antlers’ season at 8-4 with a 36-22 win.

Photo by Stuart Cunyus

50 posted on 12/04/2012 3:01:28 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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