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Little Falls shooting: Killing of 2 teens sparks homeowner rights controversy
Brainerd Dispatch ^ | November 27, 2012 | Amy Forliti AP

Posted on 11/28/2012 7:28:26 AM PST by Uncle Chip

Edited on 11/28/2012 7:35:26 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) Local officials knew the grisly killings of two teenagers who broke into a man's home on Thanksgiving Day would stir up strong emotions in their small central Minnesota town.

Some believed the homeowner went too far by repeatedly shooting the unarmed teens, including one victim as she gasped for breath. But others said 64-year-old Byron Smith was within his rights to protect his remote Little Falls home.


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1 posted on 11/28/2012 7:28:36 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Gee Uncle Chip, thanks for providing another platform to launch 245 “feel the love” posts from.


2 posted on 11/28/2012 7:32:25 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Uncle Chip

The guy had a rigjht to use deadlyu force to defend himself and his home but not to act as an executioner. He went too far.


3 posted on 11/28/2012 7:35:01 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Uncle Chip

Lord.

Did the homeowner freak, or what? The prey becomes the hunter.


4 posted on 11/28/2012 7:35:01 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Defending your person and or property is one thing but to put a bullet through a person’s brain who is nearly dead is not defense - its sick (if the report is true).


5 posted on 11/28/2012 7:36:22 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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Investigators were working late Tuesday to determine whether the two teenage cousins slain during a home burglary in Little Falls, Minn., on Thanksgiving Day committed a similar crime just hours before the fatal shootings.

Preliminary findings suggest that Nick Brady, 17, and Haile Kifer, 18, were involved in another break-in Wednesday night, 6 miles south of the home where Byron Smith claims he shot them in self-defense, said Morrison County Sheriff Michel Wetzel. Smith, 64, a retired U.S. State Department worker, is charged with second-degree murder in the double shooting, which Wetzel has characterized as "cold-blooded" executions carried out after the teens were disabled by initial shots.

In the latest development, investigators are piecing together evidence recovered from a red Mitsubishi Eclipse that Brady had been driving, and which was discovered Friday parked a block away and around the corner from Smith's property, 3 miles north of Little Falls.

That same car was seen in a driveway last Wednesday evening 3 miles south of Little Falls, in the vicinity of a house belonging to Richard L. Johnson, a retired Little Falls High School teacher who had been in Spain until Sunday evening.

http://m.startribune.com/news/?id=181119611&c=y

6 posted on 11/28/2012 7:36:57 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

> so he fired what he called a “good clean finishing shot” under her chin “up into the cranium,

I call it “putting an end to a public menace”, esp as there is evidence that the two clowns had robbed other houses recently.


7 posted on 11/28/2012 7:37:05 AM PST by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: mquinn
Reminds me of the Briney Trapgun Case from Eddyville, IA.
8 posted on 11/28/2012 7:38:30 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Uncle Chip

Unlawful entry into someone else’s house, should have lethal consequences as a possibility. It wouldn’t bother me how many times they were shot. In this scenario, there are those in the right, and those in the wrong. The criminal activity is clearly on one side.


9 posted on 11/28/2012 7:41:11 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: Uncle Chip

Rule #2.


10 posted on 11/28/2012 7:45:41 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Uncle Chip
but that they must also make attempts to retreat

NO! NO! NO! Homeowner has NO DUTY to retreat.

At least in Castle Doctrine states, like NC.

11 posted on 11/28/2012 7:46:31 AM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: mquinn

Uuhh..he shot up a teenage girl and when she was bleeding out he put the gun under her chin and blew her head off. We don’t. Even do that to enemy combatants on the battlefield. Much less 100 pound girls.


12 posted on 11/28/2012 7:50:34 AM PST by Blackirish
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and blew her head off

Which he described as a "good clean kill". Some grizzly dark humor in that phrase.

13 posted on 11/28/2012 7:54:15 AM PST by DManA
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To: Uncle Chip

I certainly understand the desire to shoot them even when they are down. They can always come after you when they are better. They were criminals and he has a right to defend his property.


14 posted on 11/28/2012 7:54:47 AM PST by libertarian neocon
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To: Uncle Chip

Trying to muster up some sympathy for those young soon to be career criminals, but it seems I cannot.

If you break into someones home, you should expect to be killed. He was an elder, they were both young and could certainly over power him. His home was already broken into previously.

2 less commie voters. Boohoo.


15 posted on 11/28/2012 7:57:29 AM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.ess)
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To: Uncle Chip

Sounds like he talked too much. You know when questioned they’re going to ask you tricky little things to trip you up and make a case against you. Just say “My life was threatened and I reacted and acted until I no longer felt threatened”. Then ask for your lawyer.

In this case, just firing multiple times is not out of the ordinary. Nothing say’s I need to shoot to maim first or I can only fire one shot or I have to fire a warning shot. That being said, there is no reason for a ‘good clean finishing’ shot when the victim is immobilized.

ABCS .... Assess, breath, control, shutup.


17 posted on 11/28/2012 8:00:34 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Uncle Chip

So law-abiding citizens are only limited to one bullet per criminal?


18 posted on 11/28/2012 8:02:45 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Uncle Chip

When the agressor is no longer a threat you no longer have the right to shoot. The purpose of the initial shot is to stop the agression.

If the attackers continue to threaten you with a weapon you can stop them from further attacks.

This looks like murder.


19 posted on 11/28/2012 8:04:57 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Uncle Chip

Home invaders choose home of elderly killer.

oops.

Execution is murder, when they are down and defenseless you use the time to call the cops to fill out the paperwork, not execute them.

They all were wrong. As a DA I would try like heck to get the homeowner charged with a felony to remove his guns from him, and then put him on parole, no sentence.

It is psycopathic to put a gun to a persons head and kill them in cold blood.


20 posted on 11/28/2012 8:06:28 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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