Posted on 11/28/2012 10:40:07 AM PST by SeekAndFind
College is hard enough without having to worry about serious crime. Yet crime is a reality on and around many college campuses.
The FBI's Unified Crime Report identified 2,696 violent crime incidents and 87,160 property crime incidents on and around college campuses in 2011.
We ranked the most dangerous colleges by averaging FBI crime data per capita from 2008 to 2011 for schools with enrollment over 10,000. Schools were ranked based on a combination of violent crime rank and property crime rank, with violent crime weighted four times higher.
NOTE: Some people have objected to our use of FBI data because (1) not all schools participate in the survey and (2) some schools are more aggressive than others in reporting crime in neighboring noncampus areas.
In response to criticism, we prepared an alternate list based on on-campus crimes tracked for the Clery Act. We are happy to report, however, that this alternate ranking produced remarkably similar results — suggesting that both lists are good at identifying dangerous colleges. For instance, two schools which objected vocally to our original list — UCLA and UC-Riverside — were also named among the most dangerous colleges based on this new data set.
We have included responses submitted by various schools on their respective slides.
(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...
SEE ALSO THE SEQUEL:
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-colleges—clery-vs-fbi-2012-11#ixzz2DXmjBkgx
TITLE: We’re Standing By Our Controversial List Of ‘America’s Most Dangerous Colleges’ — Here’s Why
EXCERPT:
It seems all of Los Angeles is up in arms over the Most Dangerous Colleges list we published last week.
This list ranked colleges by the number of crimes committed on or near campus, as reported by the FBI.
UCLA and UC-Riverside, among others on the list, complained about our using data that was not limited to on-campus crime. The FBI crime data on which we based our ranking is compiled from crime data submitted by colleges across the country. Some colleges probably are more aggressive in reporting crimes on neighboring non-campus areas. And some colleges do not participate in the survey at all.
The schools that complained, including UCLA, demanded that we rank college crime instead by data compiled through the Clery Act, which can be sorted to count only crimes that occur on campus. Although looking only at crimes that occur on campus seems like a strangely limited perspective—students do, occasionally, venture off campus—we agreed to crunch the numbers based on this report.
Based on this alternate methodology, UCLA and UC-Riverside are once again among the 25 most dangerous colleges in America.
In fact, the new list contains many of the same schools as the original.
We take this to suggest that both lists are pretty good at identifying dangerous schools.
The methodology: We looked at Clery’s data for on-campus crimes from 2007-2009, the latest years for which complete data was available. Schools were ranked by violent crime per capita and by property crime per capita, counting murder/nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault for violent crimes, and burglary, motor vehicle theft, arson for property crimes. These rankings were combined with violent crime weighted four times higher to produce the final ranking. Our ranking based on the FBI data was similar, except that it looked at 2008-2011 and it also included the data on larcenies.
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I have no problem with this study, but there’s one additional piece of information that I’d like to have....Overall, how does “on campus” safety compare to “off campus” safety?
Atlanta - where the cost of living is going up, and the chance of living is going down.
You mean like this..
Pitt football players charged with assault for playing Knockout Game.
Let's at least know about it.. before waking up and finding out that the liberal PC crowd, et al and the Civil Rights industry have convinced the NCAA to make this a part of university athletics. It would definitely keep down the white attendance as part of the game is that the target has to be unsuspecting . . . .
Yes, I'm a racist because I mentioned that "sport" here.. currently this is mostly off-campus; but . . . .
Kutztown University’s appearence so high on the Cleary Act list suprises me. Demographically, Kutztown doesn’t present many problems. Maybe Kutztown U admits a lot of riff-raff (it’s a state school), but, still.
It is interesting that University of Southern California is not on the list. It is in one of the worst urban jungles in the country. I suspect that the on campus security is very tight and the students have a lot of street smarts. If you go for a walk in that neighborhood you have a death wish.
“It is interesting that University of Southern California is not on the list.”
I was thinking the same thing.
It’s been dangerous since the 60’s.
No way it’s gotten better.
GMTA — Ditto to your post...I’d call it the everyday pickpocketing of students by robbing them of time and money while returning dubious value for future job prospects. It takes wise and loving parents to guide their children around these unmarked dangers in the same way they taught them not to run out in the streets when playing as youngsters.
You’ll note they fell off the on-campus list.
I’d love to see the numbers just including campus and anything east of the railroad tracks. If the general area numbers include crime west of the tracks, well no wonder things look bad!
Ditto Temple, in North Philly. Bad, bad area.
The education may be different than expected.
I was quite surprised to see MIT on the list.
This is supposed to be one of the top Science and Engineering schools in the world. What the heck is happening with these high IQ people on campus?
Georgia Tech at #11. WOO HOO !!!
Add to that professors who don’t teach their courses, colleges that steal money from students, and students who steal from other students and you have a comprehensive list. And they still force the studnets to sign the stupid pledge about ‘honesty and non-violence’. It is hard to underestimate your fellow humans.
Florida State Tallahassee
UC Riverside
Arkansas State-Jonesboro
SUNY Buffalo
NC Agricultural and Tech. State U.
Western Illinois U.
Cal State Fresno
Rutgers Newark
N. Arizona U.
MIT
Southern Illinois U. Carbondale
U. of Cincinnati
Indiana State
Ball State
Georgia Tech
LSU Baton Rouge
U. of S. Alabama
U. of New Mexico
San Diego State
Vanderbilt
Florida A&M
Duke
New Mexico State
UCLA (worst)
And, ahem, useless degrees?
I'm mixed about the rates reported at some of the schools. I'm pretty sure the Feds have cracked down on the non-reporting of violent crimes (spurred by failures of a school in MN, iirc), but only 54 property crimes at Howard? Given their demo, location, etc., I'd be shocked if this wasn't extremely under-reported.
Likewise, I'm surprised that Boston College was high on the list. I would have expected Boston U, or Northeastern to rank above them solely by being closer to the "inner city neighborhoods" of Boston.
A change may come if brilliant technical instructors move to foreign institutions that don't allow the humanities and liberal arts claptrap.
American leftist universities can replace 'em with education majors, and NASA can make vast advances in Muslim outreach.
Possibly NASA may take us as far as Muslim Heaven.
Just think.
MIT is in a lousy area in Cambridge. Between Central Square and East Cambridge, and right off Mass. Ave. Harvard doesn’t have too many problems because it’s campus cops are real deputized law enforcement, some of whom are plainclothes and hard to spot. Not the glorified mall cops you see on most campuses.
We could rename them degrees in "Useful Idiotry", then they'd fit right in.
I would like to know how they define the college boundaries. University of Chicago has a LOT of “Chicago” between the Quadrangle and the farthest dorm. While Hyde Park is in better shape than the areas South and West, it is not without problems. I am alsop doubtful that campuses like Fordham’s would not make the list, unless, again, there is a narrow definition of what constitutes “campus”.
#11 Georgia Institute of Technology - Atlanta, GA. Well known by locals that the surrounding areas of GT are bleeding the criminal element onto campus.
#9 University of South Alabama - Mobile, AL. City population ~48% black.
#4 Duke University - Durham, NC. City has a record of racial strife. Recall the 2006 Duke lacrosse case.
“its”, not “it’s”. An edit function would be so nice.
#6 WIU in Macomb Il. Just down the road from me. I knew they’d make the top 10. I have had LEO freinds in Macomb and from what I hear the stats are low.
A target rich environment with a guarantee of it being a gun free zone. Add to it the likelihood of the victims resisting or fighting back is very low to non-existent, and these are the results you get.
Most of these kids on these campuses walk around with a thousand bucks of stuff in their possession, even more in their rooms.
My pleasure. I hate those "click multiplier" websites.
It use to be the Penn State male locker room.
UCLA more violent than USC? I thought the Trojan campus was in the middle of Compton or something. How is that possible?
Not like back in my college days when all I had was a black-and-white portable TV, a transistor radio (but it did pick up shortwave!) and a crappy dorm fridge. As for walking around money, puh-leeze.
An official at one of the schools on the list has noted that FBI has repeatedly warned against using its crime data to rank the safety of campuses. So Business Insider’s credibility takes a hit imo.
It wasn't always that way. When it was founded in 1880, USC was out in the country. In the 1880's and 1890's, students commuting to the campus by street car from downtown LA would pass their time shooting rabbits in the fields along the way.
interesting.
MIT is shocking. Massachusetts has very violent crime rates overall, and MIT is in majority non-Hispanic, white neighborhood of an affluent city (Cambridge). Most minorities are Asians... and you can guess why. There is easy access to affordable clubs and pubs in very wealthy neighborhoods. I can’t imagine where the crime comes from. Unless they’re counting MIT students’ pranks.
You had a TV and a fridge? Luxury! I had a portable stereo record player, it did have swing out speakers, though.
Get inside and it is one of the most beautiful campuses anywhere with 1840's era architecture, landscaping and the works. We took a wrong turn getting out of her graduation last June and went through a rather scary part of town to get back on the interstate.
John Hopkins is another one. Beautiful campus on the inside and well patrolled, but get a couple of blocks away and you are in some bad, bad parts of Baltimore.
I’ll bet Southern Utah University is one of the safest. I’ve seen students openly carrying rifles on the campus—apparently to go hunting or on the way to do target practice.
Just browsing the list, I see many dangerous campuses with a high population of MUYs in the neighborhood. In the case of MIT, it may be the type of soft targets where predators look for their prey.
Look at the details in the 2nd link. They fell off the list that only counts on-campus violence, leading me to wonder if they are counting some of the area over the tracks to the west.
My son was accepted into USC’s MBA program. As much as he wanted to move to CA. , he wasn’t impressed with the area.
Well, I can only speak to NC A&T, but it’s in a lousy part of town. I don’t go there during the day, on campus or off.
Show me the post except mine that says literally:
The democrat party is the biggest threat to freedom or to America. I'll be waiting for nothing. And then show me who has proposed a way to fight the democrat party. We can't even begin to fight if we don't EXPLICITLY name the enemy.
Oh I've seen a million posts against the GOP , Republicans, the Republican party, etc. but i see that on the mainstream media too( the media who are the democrat party also by the way). People might name that the media is a threat but they don't explicitly name that the media and the democrat party are one.
We have to indentify , name the source of all the evil and that is the democrat party. then step 2 we have to put forth solutions to stop the democrat party Which solutions have you seen on here or anywhere? I ‘ve seen none . Oh I've seen suggestions of starting a 3rd conservative party as if there weren't a hundred already including libertarian party , constitution party etc. but those posts are mainly intended as a complaint against the REPUBLICAN party. The first step is to identify the problem ( the enemy) .Then we all have to focus on neutralizing that problem or stopping the enemy . I haven't seen everyone or even a majority on here or anywhere even agree on that which is also a step (focusing all energy on neutralizing the biggest threat). Then focusing all energy on that then once the democrat party is destroyed then we can all go after the GOP as that seems to be the consensus here ( destroying the GOP).
Sorry I replied to the wrong post . Ignore the previous reply to you.
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