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By the Rivers of ....;. Quebec? The cheap, green answer to our electricity needs.
Weekly Standard ^ | Dec 3, 2012, Vol. 18, No. 12 | ELI LEHRER

Posted on 11/28/2012 7:02:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Jake Irving looks excited. Sitting at a table in a noisy Washington, D.C., bistro, he pulls a chart out of a briefcase with a flourish. The numbers are simple: Canada’s untapped, undammed rivers have enough potential to make a serious difference in North America’s energy needs while helping the economy on both sides of the border. 

Generating plant at Niagara Falls, Ontario: More of this, eh?

Generating plant at Niagara Falls, Ontario: More of this, eh?

NEWSCOM

According to data his Canadian Hydropower Association has collected from its members, Canada has an estimated 163,000 megawatts of untapped hydro capacity: enough to meet any expected increases in U.S. demand for electricity, enough to transform about a third of the U.S. vehicle fleet to electrical power or to replace many scheduled-for-retirement power-generating plants. “This,” he tells visitors, “is where we’re going.” Irving has every reason to act the cheerleader, but hardly anybody doubts his fundamental point: Hydropower offers the potential of an energy boom almost as large as the one now associated with natural gas. 


(Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: energy

1 posted on 11/28/2012 7:02:34 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

But, but the fish.


2 posted on 11/28/2012 7:06:08 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sorry but we gotta tear out all the dams for the salmon and kayakers.


3 posted on 11/28/2012 7:06:23 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m not interested in Frog Electricity.


4 posted on 11/28/2012 7:07:35 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Dam Removal Mishap Raises More Questions, Concerns

Questions continue to swirl as to why the Brown River Dam removal process on Grand Traverse County’s Boardman River resulted in a breach earlier this month.

The breach nearly drained the river above the dam, caused flood-damage to an estimated 53 homes downriver, deposited untold amounts of contaminated sediment downriver and, for some, called into question the wisdom of removing the dam in the first place.

(snip)

Charles Peterson, president of Peterson Machinery Sales, and a property owner on a dam impoundment, had submitted a letter of intent to Grand Traverse County in 2008 offering to return hydroelectric generating capacity to the Sabin and Boardman dams. The county rejected his proposal and moved forward with its dam removal agenda.


And we're supposed to trust these morons to erect windmills around our homes.
5 posted on 11/28/2012 7:13:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hydro Quebec,a major Canadian power company,charges about 5.5 cents per killowatt hour for residential use.In winter I pay 20 cents per kWh and in summer it's closer to 22 cents.Much,if not most,of Hydro Quebec's power is hydroelectric.Here's a link.

Canadian power rates

6 posted on 11/28/2012 7:26:09 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Obama and Gore don’t WANT clean, cheap, power, or any other kind of power....well, except for political power.

They want:
- population control,
- deindustrialization,
- the end of capitalism,
- the end of freedom,
etc...


7 posted on 11/28/2012 7:28:09 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Just Lori; Libertina; Lexinom; horatio; freebird5850; Horatio Gates; Ramius; ..
WA Ping

Hydroelectric energy is not considered renewable or "Green" in Washington State. The liberal/environmental religion here mandates that all rivers be unmolested by evil humans.

8 posted on 11/28/2012 7:34:52 PM PST by Baynative
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Does anyone intend to ask the Quebecois their thoughts on the matter?


9 posted on 11/28/2012 7:38:28 PM PST by PGR88
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To: G Larry
For the price of tearing a dam or erecting a windmill out we could repower many of the smaller dams east of the Mississippi and produce a considerable amount of power. Modern generation technology makes the smaller dams much biggger producers than they were in the 40s and 50s.

Here is the study conducted on two dams on the Huron river in Ann Arbor.

HYDROELECTRIC REDEVELOPMENT ARGO AND GEDDES DAMS FEASIBILITY STUDY (pdf)

There are a LOT of existing dams in America that could be used to produce power again. Just here in Michigan alone.

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10 posted on 11/28/2012 7:39:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

You never hear them talk about the Carbon Footprint of these am removal projects either. I guess thats only important when the enviros deem it.


11 posted on 11/28/2012 7:41:59 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Hydroelectric has one advantage that virtually no other energy source has. It actually creates high dollar real estate around the reservoirs. Tearing them out has the opposite and expected result.


12 posted on 11/28/2012 7:42:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEPr_ZF9HLs
Linda Ronstadt - Rivers of Babylon


13 posted on 11/28/2012 7:44:42 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Baynative

“The liberal/environmental religion here mandates that all rivers be unmolested by evil humans.”

Just one of many reasons I am eternally grateful the USAF called me away from eastern WA.

The US has almost unlimited coal deposits, and NOT using them for whatever we need them for, would be insanity.

Coal and Natural gas could conceivably replace all hydro electric generation should it be needed.

Hopefully no one is going to fall for dam removal.


14 posted on 11/28/2012 7:46:05 PM PST by wita
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
From the story I showed you in post number 5.

Grand Traverse County health officials warned that wells flooded as a result of the breach might be contaminated, and recommended homeowners boil water before use.

"If the well water was contaminated by chemical toxins from the river sediment, there's no way boiling the water will make it safe to drink," said Bruce Carpenter, a wildlife artist who is also a homeowner on the Boardman Dam impoundment. "Boiling would only kill bacteria and would effectively concentrate toxins such as mercury rather than eliminate them."


These so called "health officials" are going to get people killed.
15 posted on 11/28/2012 7:47:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Did you read that Obama put more land aside for the spotted owl? Something like doubled the amount that was put aside during the Bush administration. Obama the job killing owl killer
16 posted on 11/28/2012 7:51:28 PM PST by Eva
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I think that most people have yet to figure this out, but here’s the REAL STORY.

The purpose of Green Energy is not to replace existing energy. The purpose is to buy time while our existing sources (coal first) are systematically shut down. The promise of Green Energy gives political cover to shutting us down. HOWEVER, once any aspect of Green Energy actually shows some promise, then it is quickly stopped. Take a look at the California desert - some of the most deserted land in the world, and some of the best conditions for solar power. The Dems have locked up much of that desert in the name of environmentalism and now they’re fighting EVERY large solar project planned, some of which can even make money without government help.

But THE PROMISE of windmills and solar has allowed the Dems to prevent construction of new power plants for a DECADE now, so they are making progress. They knew the end game. Not long ago, North Korea was a wealthy country, people there even had a higher standard of living than the South. But then their oil supply got cut off (by the Soviet Union ending), and their power plants quickly shut down - and they starved - probably millions of them. The Dems see this as their roll model and dream of the day that they can do the same to Americans...they always have - that is who they are.

Pretty sad if you ask me.


17 posted on 11/28/2012 8:03:13 PM PST by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: cripplecreek
Bruce Carpenter, a wildlife artist...

Yeah, I think I'll take his unfounded wild-eyed leftwing speculations over the word of health officials. Right.

What the hell is happening to this forum anyway.

18 posted on 11/28/2012 8:05:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: cripplecreek

They want to remove four dams here on the Klamath river. They always talk about the good things that will come from it but never the bad. The reduced water flow in dry periods and the flooding in the storms. Then there is the millions of tons of sediment. It will be like in you’re story, toxic. So that will all be hazardous material that needs delt with. These people are crazy.


19 posted on 11/28/2012 8:29:11 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: wita
"Hopefully no one is going to fall for dam removal."

You must be kidding. We have torn out three in Washington and are planning more while they are going after several in Oregon and California, also.

20 posted on 11/28/2012 9:24:15 PM PST by Baynative
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To: Eva

I saw that some days ago.


21 posted on 11/28/2012 10:47:43 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Baynative

You must be kidding. We have torn out three in Washington and are planning more while they are going after several in Oregon and California, also.

Actually no I wasn’t kidding, nor was I aware that things had progressed so far already.


22 posted on 11/28/2012 11:57:46 PM PST by wita
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Will not be done. Greenies hate dams, and want to destroy them all. Greenies hate electricity, except for them.


23 posted on 11/29/2012 4:28:53 AM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Yeah, I think I'll take his unfounded wild-eyed leftwing speculations over the word of health officials. Right.

What makes him left wing?

The fact is that many if not most of these old impoundments have industrial toxins in the sediment from years gone by. I live downstream from an old Ford plating plant and there's mercury in the sediments of this lake. Its fine as long as its undisturbed.
24 posted on 11/29/2012 4:31:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: wita
When the destruction of the Elwha River dam in western Washington began the liberals celebrated more than when we won WWII. It was almost a revenge atmosphere for them, as if they were getting even with the rest of the population for taking an opposite view from theirs.

I remember thinking; "It would really be something if they care as much for unborn children as they do fish."

During the debate on removal the state department of ecology decided that generating energy from the power of a natural river was neither clean nor renewable!

Elwha Dam Removal

U.S. Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., left, shares a laugh with Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar, right, as they walk across the Elwha Dam following a ceremony to mark the beginning of the removal of the Elwha Dam and the restoration of the Elwha River, Saturday, Sept. 17, 2011, near Port Angeles, Wash. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

25 posted on 11/29/2012 7:39:52 AM PST by Baynative
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To: Liberty Valance

Thanks,....I like tight harmony.


26 posted on 11/29/2012 8:23:05 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: BobL

Good narrative....makes sense.


27 posted on 11/29/2012 8:26:04 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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