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If Every U.S. State Declared War Against the Others, Which Would Win?
Slate ^ | 11/29/2012

Posted on 11/29/2012 5:27:14 PM PST by djf

This question originally appeared on Quora. It was taken from Quora's "hypothetical battles" topic, where readers "can ask questions and get answer on fighting that wouldn't likely or ever happen in real life."

Answer by Jon Davis, veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, sergeant in the U.S. Marine Corps:

These are the accounts of the Second American Civil War, also known as the Wars of Reunification and the American Warring States Period. ... Here are the states that held the greatest strategic value from day one. They have the ability to be self-sufficient, economic strength, military strength, the will to fight, and the population to support a powerful war machine.

California Texas New York

Others that have many of the qualities that gave them an advantage are also listed.

Washington Colorado Illinois Virginia Florida Georgia

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To: djf

Lets see, the liberals don’t like guns, they don’t like the military and manufacturing, I don’t see how the Republic of Kalifornia or New York can be on the top unless they count the gangbangers and thugs. I vote Texas, but I would like to see the South rise again.


141 posted on 11/29/2012 8:20:01 PM PST by grcuster
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To: ansel12

WOW!!!!
In California people will make a left turn with tons of traffic n the way.
They will fall early.


142 posted on 11/29/2012 8:20:40 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Eaker

Or he accidentally blows us up.


143 posted on 11/29/2012 8:27:27 PM PST by mnehring
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To: djf

It is impossible to answer this question because you can’t know which states would align with which, except perhaps by region, nor how outside support could affect the outcome.


144 posted on 11/29/2012 8:31:27 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: mnehring
Hawaii would die quickly. They can't live without ships arriving every day. Fuel for power comes in by ships. Not many people have air conditioning in their home due to the high cost of electricity. Food comes in by ships.

I've been there twice and studied their history and how they live now. I checked a grocery store and prices are really high because it all comes by ship. If you live in Hawaii and buy something from this country, your shipping charge raises the cost of that item so high you will think twice before you order it.

If no ships come, Hawaii dies. Planes can't get enough of anything there, it must be ships. Ships allow the many people who live there now, to live. Before ships, not many people lived on those islands.

I would not want to be in Hawaii surrounded by undrinkable water and no food or anything else coming in.

145 posted on 11/29/2012 8:33:04 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: djf

Interesting scenario. Do we get all the military assets in our state to work with?


146 posted on 11/29/2012 8:40:38 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: djf

The one with the most active missile silos.


147 posted on 11/29/2012 8:41:17 PM PST by Mike Darancette (I don't understand why the Boomers are so passive.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

In the story, Hispanics still Mexican citizens went back to Mexico. Mexico let them in but not anyone else who tried to flee the war.


148 posted on 11/29/2012 8:51:53 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: Tenacious 1
Only TX citizens know the State History better than they know national history. You know how you can tell if a person is from Texas? They'll tell you. They are proud of their self reliance and independence.

Damned right! Most of these early postings seem to think that to win is defeat other states. I consider victory as "LEAVE US ALONE!" I'm 4th generation Texan. My family came here in 1839...

149 posted on 11/29/2012 8:56:39 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Kozak
North Dakota. Fourth largest nuclear power on the planet....

My thought, too. We also have oil and gas, coal, export electricity, and some pretty good export agriculture. I think we could even trade durum for some more exotic foods like bananas and citrus fruit. But we have food, fuel, electricity, livestock, even sources of salt and sugar. We'd be good until threatened, then unleash the dogs of war.

150 posted on 11/29/2012 8:59:03 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Mike Darancette

I think a ballistic missile won’t work and is useless if you are trying to fire it less than 500 miles or so.

Ground Launched Cruise Missiles would work though.

They used to (and maybe still do) make a lot of those at a Boeing plant about 25 miles from where I’m sitting right now...


151 posted on 11/29/2012 8:59:56 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: AlexW
” the nickname the Volunteer State comes from the record number of volunteers the state provided during both the War of 1812 and the Mexican War.”

There were quite a few Tennessee natives in the Alamo...

152 posted on 11/29/2012 9:01:46 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
Wow, this thread’s already degenerating into “my state can kick your state’s ass”...

Not to me. As a Texan, we just want to be left alone! Cross our border and yeah you'll feel our wrath...

153 posted on 11/29/2012 9:13:34 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Antoninus II

It’s not improbable that some states, especially the big agricultural ones, might say the same, and chose not to be at war with anyone.

But sooner or later they get an armed contingent on their borders wanting their wheat or corn or whatever, so what cha gonna do?


154 posted on 11/29/2012 9:20:00 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: mnehring
Mississippi doesn’t do much good to the South if St. Louis finds a way to dam her and redirect much of her flow.

The Union tried that back during the CW. A complete failure. Mother Nature is hard to oppose.

As for Texas' oilfield expertise, I work for world's largest oilfield services company. Houston is the oil tool capitol of the world...

155 posted on 11/29/2012 9:23:54 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: djf
Nukes would have at best very limited usage. It’s one think to nuke an island 5000 miles away. Entirely different thing to nuke a city 125 air miles away.

There aren't many cities within 125 miles of the Minot AFB, and all fewer than 200,000 pop. Montana is roughly 700 miles wide across the high line, so it must be farther than you think.

156 posted on 11/29/2012 9:28:13 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: djf
It’s not improbable that some states, especially the big agricultural ones, might say the same, and chose not to be at war with anyone. But sooner or later they get an armed contingent on their borders wanting their wheat or corn or whatever, so what cha gonna do?

As Kurt Rusell's character said in "Soldier". When he was asked what he would do to the military force coming to kill them, "I'm going to kill them all, sir"...

157 posted on 11/29/2012 9:38:22 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: tje

I’m guessing Wyoming has more ICBMs than Texas.


158 posted on 11/29/2012 9:39:05 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: djf

I would bet almost any state in the lower 48 would contemplate attacking Alaska.

Especially if Alaska seceded or became independent, which may ver well happen. But then again most people could care less about Alaska, logistically its superior by its distance, and even if they did manage to invade they will hi-tail it out after the second month of its six month winter.

Sometimes I can be proud of living here in Alaska, though today it was pushing its luck, massive high winds are creating fires and people are being evacuated from subdivisions, even my shop had a massive wind related damage to it today, broken gas mains, big 14’ overhead door nearly destroyed, spent the day in 60mph winds trying to rig tarps and setting up auxiliary heating.


159 posted on 11/29/2012 9:39:19 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well, I’m not trying to make a point about Montana specifically, more about ballistic missiles generally.

In fact I think they have essentially zero accuracy until well after they get past the boost phase and get into the cruise - straight line phase.


160 posted on 11/29/2012 9:41:57 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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