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If Every U.S. State Declared War Against the Others, Which Would Win?
Slate ^ | 11/29/2012

Posted on 11/29/2012 5:27:14 PM PST by djf

This question originally appeared on Quora. It was taken from Quora's "hypothetical battles" topic, where readers "can ask questions and get answer on fighting that wouldn't likely or ever happen in real life."

Answer by Jon Davis, veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, sergeant in the U.S. Marine Corps:

These are the accounts of the Second American Civil War, also known as the Wars of Reunification and the American Warring States Period. ... Here are the states that held the greatest strategic value from day one. They have the ability to be self-sufficient, economic strength, military strength, the will to fight, and the population to support a powerful war machine.

California Texas New York

Others that have many of the qualities that gave them an advantage are also listed.

Washington Colorado Illinois Virginia Florida Georgia

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1 posted on 11/29/2012 5:27:18 PM PST by djf
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To: djf
Which state has the largest number of residents who would fight for the opposing state?
2 posted on 11/29/2012 5:28:43 PM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: South40

I’m plotting a waterborne invasion to free Chicago.


3 posted on 11/29/2012 5:30:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: djf

If the answer isn’t Texas, it’s wrong.


4 posted on 11/29/2012 5:30:22 PM PST by tje
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To: djf

In theory California could be completely sufficient, but its run by liberals.
What an interesting question, great one for cocktail parties.


5 posted on 11/29/2012 5:30:30 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: South40

Which ever state that promised the most government benefits. ;-)


6 posted on 11/29/2012 5:31:33 PM PST by Average Al
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To: cripplecreek

Why not Detroit? :-)


7 posted on 11/29/2012 5:32:09 PM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: djf

Frankly, I’d choose Texas. It has a ‘nation’ mindset already and a self-reliant tradition. It has a well-armed populace by all accounts and the sons&daughters in other states would quickly rally under such circumstances.

Of the others, only Alaska would probably be as tough.


8 posted on 11/29/2012 5:32:54 PM PST by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence but it is the road to our ruin!)
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To: djf

I agree with the Alaska and Hawaii estimate and thought of that before opening the article. It would take more resources for any one state to invade either of those states and most states would have to cross another state to even be in a position to invade. They could sit it out while the others beat up on each other, storing resources and building assets at that time. It would mean a much weaker opposition to them when someone was left who was finally willing to turn their eyes on those states. They may not come out on the very top, but they will be one of the last standing.


9 posted on 11/29/2012 5:33:56 PM PST by mnehring
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To: South40

Detroit is armed, they gotta free themselves.

Laying siege to Ann Arbor has its attraction.


10 posted on 11/29/2012 5:34:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: djf
It's a 'rat city vs. countryside thing.

This whole State vs State construct is unrealistic.

11 posted on 11/29/2012 5:35:16 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: djf

12 posted on 11/29/2012 5:36:16 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: djf
Who has an electric grid that isn't tied to the rest of the nation?

Logistics. Always logistics.

/johnny

13 posted on 11/29/2012 5:36:40 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tje

“If the answer isn’t Texas, it’s wrong.”

I don’t live there but I’d put my money on Texas, easily over the west coast gays and NY snobs - and probably everyone else combined.


14 posted on 11/29/2012 5:36:47 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: tje

Which side are the illegal aliens fighting on?


15 posted on 11/29/2012 5:37:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mnehring

I posted it after reading the first few paragraphs, then went back to read the rest.

Interesting analysis! I have a hard time thinking California could overtake the Pacific Northwest, though, because we have an awful lot of military resources here...


16 posted on 11/29/2012 5:38:40 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

I remember reading something years ago which stuck in my mind. I am not even certain it is an accurate quote but probably not possible to tell for certain. The statement was by Robert E. Lee.

Anyway he said that he preferred troops from Florida, Georgia, and Alabama. I thought that was a particularly high compliment since he was a Virginian.

Something which tends to back that up is a letter from a South Carolina soldier. He wrote his wife that all the Richmond papers were giving the Virginians credit for a victory when it was the Florida Brigade which actually won the battle and did the hardest fighting.


17 posted on 11/29/2012 5:39:58 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: djf; All
Someone invade Kalifornia and...


18 posted on 11/29/2012 5:40:47 PM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: djf

State of Confusion would be the winner.


19 posted on 11/29/2012 5:41:17 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: djf

None of them would “win” if they all fought the other 49 states.

Kalipornia won’t fight. Half its residents are loyal to Mexico, so....


20 posted on 11/29/2012 5:41:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: djf

As a native Californian I’d still put my money on Texas for sure.


21 posted on 11/29/2012 5:41:39 PM PST by Bullish (The stench from this amateur regime stinks all the way to Kenya.)
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To: djf

It depends on what the definition of “win” means. Also “it” could play a major role. “if” could play a role except in the south where “it” would “if’n”. I would also measure the rate of pot sales.


22 posted on 11/29/2012 5:42:10 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: Average Al
Which ever state that promised the most government benefits. ;-)

Yes, that does make sense. That makes perfect sense.

23 posted on 11/29/2012 5:42:10 PM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: South40

Could California or New York turn their masses into an effective army using liberal leadership? Sure they can create mobs of people, but what happens when a bunch of Texans starts shooting at them?


24 posted on 11/29/2012 5:43:40 PM PST by yawningotter
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To: djf

Interesting fantasifical fiction to ponder.

But I would bet on a better alliance through the midwest. A swath of control in the middle of the country that includes the seaports of Texas and gulf states would make a nation completely self reliant on resources, food, manufacturing, shipping, energy and military might.

The downside would be a near indefensible border to the east and west.


25 posted on 11/29/2012 5:43:54 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: South40
"Which state has the largest number of residents who would fight for the opposing state country?"

Mexico.. 'Illegal inhabitants' in California and Arizona would join with Mexicans down south to overtake Southern California and parts of Arizona. Perhaps this was Eric Holder's plan when he sent thousands of assault weapons to Mexican drug cartels.

The big picture boils down to motivation.. I think Texas is best positioned, motivationally to combat ideology foreign to our Constitution. Are we outnumbered? Probably.

26 posted on 11/29/2012 5:44:26 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: djf

Blue states are more densely populated. Urban warfare could pose a challenge. Then again, most of the guns in blue states are in the hands of gangbangers and other criminals who aren’t the most disciplined. States with large populations of hunters (mostly red) would have the ultimate advantage. Bring it on!


27 posted on 11/29/2012 5:45:17 PM PST by GoldwaterCountry (Viva Reagan Revolucion!)
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To: cripplecreek
"I’m plotting a waterborne invasion to free Chicago. "

JF'nK already tried that in Boston.

28 posted on 11/29/2012 5:45:22 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: djf
The undertaker.

Or China.

29 posted on 11/29/2012 5:45:45 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Fate plays chess and you don't find out until too late that he's been using two queens all along)
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To: mnehring

I think Alaska too, at least on playing defense. Perhaps I was thinking more of seccesion. Heck - just secede and let the gov’t figure it out some day.

“Hey - anybody heard from Alaska lately?”


30 posted on 11/29/2012 5:46:56 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: mike_9958
I don’t live there but I’d put my money on Texas

I did live there for about 3.5 years. Great state. Proud people. I have lived in 5 different states. Only TX citizens know the State History better than they know national history. You know how you can tell if a person is from Texas? They'll tell you. They are proud of their self reliance and independence.

31 posted on 11/29/2012 5:47:23 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: djf

What an interesting war-game scenario. Frightening, because Texas is the only answer, but I admit my bias.


32 posted on 11/29/2012 5:47:36 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: yawningotter
See my post#2.

There are more red counties in Kalifornia than blue. I believe many if not most in those counties would fight against their own state. I would.


33 posted on 11/29/2012 5:47:43 PM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: Bullish

Just as a guesstimate, my thought is that NY could barely make it across the Hudson before they started whining and getting their rumps roasted. Remember, NY’rs (not the upstate type - I am in fact a native upstater), the city flavor, are densly packed in with a constant influx of goods and materials to keep them going.

I just don’t see NY winning.

California has a problem. The same problem that doomed the Donner party. The rockies.
So cali is limited by having the greatest mobility being along the coast. The Rocky mountains are a natural defense mechanism/border that would keep Cali from going east.

So, in as much as I live in the Pacific Northwest, I would have to say my money would be on Texas.

Them boys know how to kick some butt!


34 posted on 11/29/2012 5:49:15 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: svcw
Sufficiency is dictated by whichever army is winning. I think demographics is far more of a concern. I think we'd be looking at the most complex clash of ethnicity and ideology of any civilian uprising in the history of mankind. No doubt a foreign country would attempt to exploit the breakdown, such as China or even Mexican citizenry since they have millions of like-minded comrades already here, many of whom hold powerful positions and jobs in our police force, border patrol, and local governments; They'd turn on us on a dime.

I agree about this question; One of the most thought-provoking questions on FR here of late.

35 posted on 11/29/2012 5:51:38 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: South40
The northern blue district is kind of a mixed bag with the north half fighting on the red side.

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36 posted on 11/29/2012 5:52:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: djf

I have no idea who would win in a war, but if I had to return to the new USSA, I would head directly to my home red state of Tennessee, also known as the “Volunteer” state.

” the nickname the Volunteer State comes from the record number of volunteers the state provided during both the War of 1812 and the Mexican War.”

Tennessee would do the same in the war against the Obamination.


37 posted on 11/29/2012 5:52:44 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Bullish

The State that Glenn Beck moved to.. Texas


38 posted on 11/29/2012 5:54:08 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: djf

NY, CA, and WA might have ports and things, but to suggest that the people that inhabit those states are even capable of fighting their way out of a wet paper bag is laughable.


39 posted on 11/29/2012 5:54:08 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Mexico is not a threat.

They don’t have the population. Or the guns.


40 posted on 11/29/2012 5:55:06 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

I think all the old Confederate states would link up again, quickly. I think we (CSA2) would have more trouble with the East Coast than the West.

Lots of the Northeast wouldn’t put up much of a fight, they’d be too busy whining about not getting their food stamps.

Most of the West Coast population would be high and munchin on Cheetos.


41 posted on 11/29/2012 5:55:34 PM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: djf

“California has a problem. The same problem that doomed the Donner party. The rockies.”

That would be the Sierra Nevada, not the Rockies. OTOH, it would make California’s eastern border much easier to defend from a land invasion, at least from north of Barstow or thereabouts. Also, it has the Colorado River between itself and Arizona.

But I probably don’t have to tell anyone here how porous California’s southern border is.


42 posted on 11/29/2012 5:56:21 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: djf

North Dakota. Fourth largest nuclear power on the planet....


43 posted on 11/29/2012 5:57:10 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: djf
Idaho.

Potato guns.

Unlimited ammo.

44 posted on 11/29/2012 5:57:26 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: yawningotter
Could California or New York turn their masses into an effective army using liberal leadership? Sure they can create mobs of people, but what happens when a bunch of Texans starts shooting at them?

I put my money on NY

You are thinking of just New York City

Just go 30 Miles North of the city people are just as armed as they are in Texas, the land is just as vast and rugged (The largest park in the lower 48 is not Yellowstone, Yosemite, The Grand Canyon or the Everglades, it's the Adirondack Park in NY which is bigger than all of them combined!!!)

And if somehow you did get up here, our brutal winters will take you out.

Upstate NY has no Alamo; Saratoga, Ticonderoga, French-Indian, Lake Champlain, we won them all

45 posted on 11/29/2012 5:57:52 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: djf

I wrote “Surviving Civil War II” to address what a second civil war would look like - nothing like CWI. In fact we are in it now.
http://www.futurnamics.com/civilwar.php


46 posted on 11/29/2012 5:58:44 PM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Who cares if the power is on just as long as the wind is blowing the stink of the dead bodies away from ya’ll?


47 posted on 11/29/2012 5:59:19 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: South40

It’ll be a producers vs. takers shootout, as you indicate.


48 posted on 11/29/2012 5:59:42 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: djf

Logistics, logistics, logistics, logistics.

California would win eventually.


49 posted on 11/29/2012 6:00:48 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: snowrip

All it would take would be 10 flights per day out of McChord AFB and Washington state could take over just about everything west of the Mississippi river!

And lets not talk about Bangor... or Bremerton, where they park some serious naval assets.

If Washington was a country, it would be like the 8th largest military in the world...


50 posted on 11/29/2012 6:01:48 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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