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If Every U.S. State Declared War Against the Others, Which Would Win?
Slate ^ | 11/29/2012

Posted on 11/29/2012 5:27:14 PM PST by djf

This question originally appeared on Quora. It was taken from Quora's "hypothetical battles" topic, where readers "can ask questions and get answer on fighting that wouldn't likely or ever happen in real life."

Answer by Jon Davis, veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, sergeant in the U.S. Marine Corps:

These are the accounts of the Second American Civil War, also known as the Wars of Reunification and the American Warring States Period. ... Here are the states that held the greatest strategic value from day one. They have the ability to be self-sufficient, economic strength, military strength, the will to fight, and the population to support a powerful war machine.

California Texas New York

Others that have many of the qualities that gave them an advantage are also listed.

Washington Colorado Illinois Virginia Florida Georgia

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To: South40

Texas... Big State, lot of financial resources, was previously a country, lots and lots of people with guns, succession mindset is widespread in the populace, very spread out - difficult for anyone to subdue, Texas has a huge water border and borders another country - Mexico. Texas has a state sponsored militia already (no not the NG we have the National Guard also)... Bring it on !!!


51 posted on 11/29/2012 6:03:15 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: djf

Colorado is too stoned to care ! California, Washington and Oregon on the West coast and all the north eastern states are full of Liberals who typically want others to do the work for them.

People in Louisiana have to be rescued after a little water fills their back yard. Some but not all. Some of those good ole boys rock !

I’m thinking Texas. I would move there but the backwoods of Nebraska is still a fine place to ride this out. People looking for a handout won’t stay around here long. They freeze to death in winter.


52 posted on 11/29/2012 6:03:23 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where's your brothers ElCamino ?)
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To: South40

Speaking of “ME”, I would love to see northern, Down East and western Maine push all the liberals in the southern part of the state back into Assachusetts.


53 posted on 11/29/2012 6:04:10 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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Donate here!

It’s nearly Turkey destruction time ,again.
Let’s give Jim an early CHRISTmas and finish this thing! Eh?

54 posted on 11/29/2012 6:04:21 PM PST by moose07 (The truth will out, one day.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Yep.
California is a really interesting place.
The way districts are drawn, the liberals control everything but that is not California.
They are very self reliant and hardy.
CA is so plush they could feed the whole world in the central valley.
Anyway, if there were wars it would be the central valley folk and coastal ranches who would pull the asses of the coast lib towns out of the fire.


55 posted on 11/29/2012 6:04:56 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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bump...


56 posted on 11/29/2012 6:06:05 PM PST by Drew68
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To: cripplecreek

I’ll meet you on the beach.


57 posted on 11/29/2012 6:06:40 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: djf

I was commenting more on the fighting spirit of the inhabitants; my guess is that the .mil folks in WA and CA would just as soon join the Conservative Union and toss all the liberals into a compound somewhere.


58 posted on 11/29/2012 6:07:23 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: GoldwaterCountry

>>Blue states are more densely populated. Urban warfare could pose a challenge. Then again, most of the guns in blue states are in the hands of gangbangers and other criminals who aren’t the most disciplined.

All of which can be turned against them. “More densely populated” = more mouths to feed. Target their infrastructure and food supplies, then sit back and watch them war with each other.


59 posted on 11/29/2012 6:10:16 PM PST by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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To: djf

I think Mexican (illegal alien) insurgency in the United States IS a problem. Mostly focused in California, Arizona and Texas.


60 posted on 11/29/2012 6:10:52 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: djf

North Dakota, if they could harness Minot AFB and all its assets. I don’t think they’d go for state-on-state combat though, they’d just take out a bunch of overpopulated blue counties across the country.


61 posted on 11/29/2012 6:12:55 PM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: tje

I’ll fight as an insurgent here in CA on the side of Texas, but I’ll resist becoming a Cowboys fan to the death.


62 posted on 11/29/2012 6:13:02 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Newbomb Turk
TEXAS WINS
Too bad I don't live there.
63 posted on 11/29/2012 6:13:09 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: djf

North Dakota, if they could harness Minot AFB and all its assets. I don’t think they’d go for state-on-state combat though, they’d just take out a bunch of overpopulated blue counties across the country.


64 posted on 11/29/2012 6:13:09 PM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: snowrip

Alot of guys have gone through Ft Lewis, and after their service, decided they liked it so much here, they stayed.

You always hear about the Seattle liberals and whackos.

You don’t hear so much about the retired special forces and Navy guys who live down the block...

But they’re here. And ready to go!


65 posted on 11/29/2012 6:14:41 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

Texas because it has its own power grid and can turn off a huge chunk of the power to California with a few key strokes, which would crash the other 49 states’ interconnected power grids. Game over in about 15 minutes...


66 posted on 11/29/2012 6:15:14 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: snowrip

Of the 10 largest ports by tonnage, Texas has four of them (#s 2,3,5,and 8) Louisiana has three of them (#s 1, 6, and 9), California one (#4), W.Virginia (# 7), and Alabama, (#10), so ports are available to the South.


67 posted on 11/29/2012 6:15:39 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: djf

New Hampshire if they had Meldrim Thompson Jr. back at the helm.


68 posted on 11/29/2012 6:16:20 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Happy 10th FR birthday to meeeeeeeeee)
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To: djf

BTW, that isn’t supposition. Texas used the same infrastructure to SHIELD a huge part of the country (esp the West Coast) from a cascading power failure on the East Coast about a decade ago...


69 posted on 11/29/2012 6:18:00 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: djf

Texas ... but they would not fight alone ... we Arizonians would side with them


70 posted on 11/29/2012 6:18:29 PM PST by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: djf

Texas ... but they would not fight alone ... we Arizonans would side with them


71 posted on 11/29/2012 6:18:57 PM PST by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: piytar

The power that’s bringing this message to you from my keyboard is....

hydroelectric.

Washington also has three or four refineries, and we are alot closer to Alaska than California is!

So we have to send out a few boats and urge the tankers to come here...

Urge them nicely, I mean!


72 posted on 11/29/2012 6:20:24 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: piytar

THAT was easy. LOL!


73 posted on 11/29/2012 6:20:24 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: djf

But how much ordnance and fuel are there?


74 posted on 11/29/2012 6:20:33 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: djf

The problem with Texas is nobody there knows how to drive in the snow.

A lot of people in New York don’t know how to drive. And most cabbies won’t drive that far out of state.

Both Washington and Oregon also have the Rock mountains to the east. But they would depend on bio fuels and electric cars. The have built a few roads since the Donner pass thingy.

And if the BCS was in charge we would never really be sure who won anyway.

Oh, what good is a navy against Kansas.


75 posted on 11/29/2012 6:23:05 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: djf

Texas


76 posted on 11/29/2012 6:23:47 PM PST by austinaero
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To: yarddog

Texans “Lee’s favorite shock-troops”

“There never were such men in an army before. They will go anywhere and do anything if properly led.” - ( General Robert E. Lee in a letter to General John Bell Hood, May 21, 1863)

One of his aides approached him and saluted, and Lee asked if all the commands were ready for the advance. “none but the Texas Brigade, General.” said the aide. “The Texas Brigade is ALWAYS ready,” commented Lee.

The Texas Brigade was to Robert E. Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia (ANV) what the Old Guard was to Napoleon and the Imperial Army of France. First in advance. Shock troops in battle. The rear guard in retreat.


77 posted on 11/29/2012 6:24:10 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: svcw

California would lay on it’s back with it’s high heels through it’s hoop earrings if we threw rainbow colored condoms at it,,or free BC, or vibrators and videotaped the whole thing. The wouldn’t be able to resist.


78 posted on 11/29/2012 6:25:09 PM PST by austinaero
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To: djf
California Texas New York all have access to the ocean and would not have to pass through other 'countries' to achieve inport and export trade.
79 posted on 11/29/2012 6:25:24 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: djf

If the states got to keep their military assets, the Tidewater Virginia area is just about over run with Army, Navy and Air Force bases.

Also the Florida Panhandle has several and they are really big or active ones too.


80 posted on 11/29/2012 6:25:54 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: Blueflag

I think three Trident subs are based at Bangor.

Each has what, 24 MIRV’d missiles?

Do you really want to argue firepower?


81 posted on 11/29/2012 6:26:38 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: yawningotter

” but what happens when a bunch of Texans starts shooting at them?”

They’d cry.


82 posted on 11/29/2012 6:27:01 PM PST by austinaero
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To: AlexW
Not to mention all the other assets: multiple nuclear power plants, multiple hydro power plants for abundant energy. Good water, good land. People still know how to raise food. Another biggie...there is at least one firearm per every living breathing soul - even the babies.

Call me homesick.

83 posted on 11/29/2012 6:27:01 PM PST by Roses0508
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To: ThomasThomas

You think that snow driving is a problem.

In Southern California, people don’t know how to drive when it is cloudy.


84 posted on 11/29/2012 6:29:08 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: mike_9958

If there was a CW II Texas would be the focus of the Rebellion But Others states would join her—Louisiana (weak but they know how to party and make great food—they also have a great port city) Oklahoma (Lots of tough people, farmlands and oil)
Mississippi (Lots of southern Tradition and farms) New Mexico, Lots of tradition, Arizona, (The stand alone state) Many illegals would join up in the new Nation at the promises of Citizenship in the Constitutionalist States of America. Maybe more of old Dixie would join save Florida and Virginia. Who would be the First President of the New CSA? I say Newt G. or Ron Paul! I think Alaska will join as an independent ally —Sarah Palin as President of the Alaskan Republic. Maybe join Canada! or seek help from Russia.


85 posted on 11/29/2012 6:29:10 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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Wow, this thread’s already degenerating into “my state can kick your state’s ass”...


86 posted on 11/29/2012 6:29:54 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I”m thinking if a civil war breaks out in the US, the illegals will more than likely stay home (in Mexico)


87 posted on 11/29/2012 6:30:00 PM PST by austinaero
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To: ansel12

And John Bell Hood was the worst general in the Confederacy.

He single handed destroyed a large portion of the Confederacy’s Armies.

I think Nathan Bedford Forrest said something like he would have killed Hood if he knew what he was going to do at Nashville.


88 posted on 11/29/2012 6:30:10 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: djf

“California was doing well, relatively speaking. Though there was damage done to the major cities, they enjoyed a good deal of time to rebuild. Their troops were stationed along the divide. Border tensions began to build until a small town skirmish in Wyoming escalated the war to its peak.”

Just blather. Once the lights went out, the urban leeches would shatter most CA cities in a week. Two at most. (Would suck for me because I live near CA.)


89 posted on 11/29/2012 6:31:04 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: djf

“California was doing well, relatively speaking. Though there was damage done to the major cities, they enjoyed a good deal of time to rebuild. Their troops were stationed along the divide. Border tensions began to build until a small town skirmish in Wyoming escalated the war to its peak.”

Just blather. Once the lights went out, the urban leeches would shatter most CA cities in a week. Two at most. (Would suck for me because I live near CA.)


90 posted on 11/29/2012 6:31:04 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: djf

Texas. It has the resources, zeal and population.


91 posted on 11/29/2012 6:31:29 PM PST by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Degenerating? Isn’t that part of the fun?


92 posted on 11/29/2012 6:31:37 PM PST by austinaero
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To: austinaero
California would lay on it’s back with it’s high heels through it’s hoop earrings if we threw rainbow colored condoms at it,,or free BC, or vibrators and videotaped the whole thing. The wouldn’t be able to resist.

Sounds like you've selected the Castro as your objective. Lock & load!

93 posted on 11/29/2012 6:32:30 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Roses0508

“Call me homesick. “
______________________________

Well, I can be homesick for Tennessee, but not for the USSA.
I do not see ever returning, as I am in a new life.


94 posted on 11/29/2012 6:32:48 PM PST by AlexW
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To: austinaero

California would disintegrate into internal civil war over the necessity for off shore drilling.


95 posted on 11/29/2012 6:32:48 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

“In Southern California, people don’t know how to drive when it is cloudy.”

I can attest to that. When I lived in SoCal, the newcast on every station in LA was broadcasting the “Storm Watch!” every time the area got a tenth of an inch of rain.


96 posted on 11/29/2012 6:32:54 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: djf

Reading it again, I have a few observations. First, I am actually impressed by the detail and will be digging up the Quora source to read the entire thing. However, I think there are some variables not accounted for that could shift their results.

1. It accounts for the fighting forces being just military population when accounting for power balances. States like Texas are blessed with both a large military population and an armed civilian population, but there are some states like Pennsylvania that are being underestimated due to the percentage of the civilian population armed. (Hunting culture).

2. I believe alliances would build a lot faster than estimated here. I think with Texas, for example, you would have an almost immediate alliance with Oklahoma (assumed in this article) as well as Arkansas and Louisiana. Oklahoma would also then domino to alliances with Nebraska and Kansas. A Louisiana alliance would quickly bring in Mississippi. There would be less fighting to establish this central Republic.

3. There is an over-estimation of people’s state loyalties. Not every state has populations willing to fight under their State’s flag. You would find loyal populations to their State in Texas, New York, Alaska, Tennessee, and a few others, but I doubt that as many would be willing to fight for their State in places like Oregon. You also would have quick divisions in States where there is a cultural divide with high density population centers and rural areas. California would be quickly split as would New York and Michigan. The agriculture and production areas won’t be as willing to support the high density population areas that aren’t contributing back.

4. Texas stand-alone power grid. It will quickly bring in more alliances.

5. Lack of accounting for international involvement. Assuming other countries wouldn’t be involved is a mistake. Many countries are dependent on the US and will want a quick stake in who they suppose will be the victor. The Texas Republic that would include much of the heartland and the nation’s agriculture exports, would quickly gain alliances from Central and South America as well as, of all places, Africa, where it supplies a large amount of grain. California would have Asia support, probably to a less extent than Texas would have from the rest of the Americas though. Much of Europe would ally with the North East States except Germany, Poland, and the Czech Republic which would surprisingly ally with Texas. (from personal observations regarding of how the people there view Texans). Canada would probably split along with the US, allying with States of whom they have strong economic ties.

6. Middle Eastern nations may become involved to try to secure ports and infrastructure so they can continue to sell oil. They will also be involved in destabilizing other areas. I can see Saudi Arabia possibly providing some support to Virginia, California, and Texas. They would probably quickly sell resource support to the highest bidder and cut off the others.

7. Texas doesn’t just have her own oil fields and access to the Gulf (a lot of States have oil fields) but what we have is a lot more exploration and production companies based here. That may be another deciding factor in greater alliances from States who don’t have their own energy infrastructure.

8. The Mississippi and other river-ways may also provide more strategic influence and create more allies than is estimated here. The Mississippi doesn’t do much good to the South if St. Louis finds a way to dam her and redirect much of her flow.

9. Loyalties to corporations may over-ride some State loyalties, especially for corporations that supply national communications infrastructure. States may be bidding for corporate loyalty to keep some of these services flowing. Verizon could become the next Umbrella Corporation.

I can probably think of a lot more... I’m sure this will be an epic thread.


97 posted on 11/29/2012 6:33:48 PM PST by mnehring
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

He asked about ordnance!

I answered!

l-)


98 posted on 11/29/2012 6:34:09 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: austinaero

I disagree.
That would be SF and LA proper but not the rest of the state.
The perception of CA is based on SF and LA proper, it is not the state as a whole.


99 posted on 11/29/2012 6:35:05 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Driving falls apart when it gets cloudy in So. Cal., but if it actually rains, then it is best just to stay home and lock the doors.


100 posted on 11/29/2012 6:35:26 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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