Skip to comments.If Every U.S. State Declared War Against the Others, Which Would Win?
Posted on 11/29/2012 5:27:14 PM PST by djf
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Weren't all that weak in 1812..............Just saying.
Still have a few pirate types and ne'er-do-wells types :)
That is interesting.
In the cities the gangs have guns, they would eventually not be able to control the hungry population, so they would either have to raid other states or change.
The rural areas could take care of themselves and have guns and will defend themselves and neighbors.
This is such a fascinating question/discussion.
“They’ll tell you.” LMAO! That is so true! Born in Ballenger, center of state and though i moved out at 2 years old, i AM Texan to the core and will TELL anybody!!!
Having lived in both southern and northern California, I’d say it’s probably worse up here. Drivers in SoCal suck less than those in NorCal.
I wish I had a dollar for every driver I’ve seen on Bay Area freeways driving 10-15mph under the speed limit, hunched over the wheel with white knuckles. And that’s when it’s dry!
I totally agree with that.
When I go to another state I want to put a sing on my car that says ‘I learned to drive on the LA freeways, now get the hell out of my way”.
Wait will you drive in Colorado, they will pull over if its raining but drive 80 when is a blinding snow storm.
Around 1990, I was at a gun show in Savannah, GA. There was a booth set up by the Sons of Confederate Veterans. I stopped by and talked to them for maybe a half hour. I think these guys were the most knowledgeable people I have ever been around concerning the WBTS.
They told me you could join if you had any ancestors who served in the Confederate Army. Beside my Mothers family who had a bunch who were in Alabama outfits, I had two GGFs who were in the 1st and 6th Florida. That was about all I knew but those guys told me both were considered some of the most elite soldiers in the whole Confederacy.
I have since looked up their histories and sure enough both fought in major battles until they were basically destroyed. What was left of both were reformed by combining about all the Florida Brigades into a new First Florida.
Power plants matter, but nowhere near as much as the grid. It would simply collapse in 49 states if TX shut off a huge chunk of the power to Cali. Too interconnected and simply would not be able to handle the shifting load. (Not even going to get into the power phase issues except to say “Boom”!)
Again, this isn’t supposition. TX STOPPED that kind of cascading failure before. Causing one would be trivial...
Ping, interesting article and discussion you will enjoy.
“He single handed destroyed a large portion of the Confederacys Armies.”
Maybe that’s why the US Army named a fort after him.
I’ll throw a variable out for you on that one. Silicon Valley hackers versus Round Rock hackers fighting for control of Texas’ grid. That cyber war may be bigger than the gunpowder war.
They would have, instead, a massive refugee problem.
Here is the Quora thread with a ton more detail and analysis.
My step dad was Sons of the Confederacy, and I keep meaning to get around to joining, when I can get it together based on my family.
If forced to admit it, I think very highly of Texas. When we were first married, we lived in San Antonio and then Dallas. I like both places.
A few years before I had been engaged to one of the sweetest little girls you ever saw. She was from East Texas and as the saying goes, was prettier than a speckled pup.
Sure they can create mobs of people, but what happens when a bunch of Texans starts shooting at them? ............................ Canada is near by, it worked during Nam. But its also the home of the 10th Mt. Div. and what is left of the 42nd ARNG.Div.. There will be some resistance, but RT 87 will have a traffic Jam.
Sure they can create mobs of people, but what happens when a bunch of Texans starts shooting at them? ............................ Canada is near by, it worked during Nam. But its also the home of the 10th Mt. Div. and what is left of the 42nd ARNG.Div.. There will be some resistance, but RT 87 will have a traffic Jam. Also some area’s of Brooklyn will fight.
I was referring to the city dwellers. The New York Army probably will be made up mostly of poorly educated and poorly motivated city people because the upstaters would not be as willing to fight for the goals of New York City. If The Unites States fell apart, the divisions would not be along just state or regional lines. I can see cities and rural areas within the same state waging their own private wars which would prevent them from thinking about forming alliances or taking on other states for several years. Even after the states began to stabilize “New York” or “Texas” would not have the same borders as before.
Having a ancestor at the battle of San Jacinto, my son is eligible for the Texas organization, that slips my mind.
I think the scenario is entirely wrong; ultimate victory would hinge on whomever could form an alliance with North Dakota, South Dakota and Wyoming. More strategic and tactical nukes in those states than the rest of the country combined, thanks to the presence of three Air Force ICBM wings and two bomber wings. Other assets worth having would be the Trident sub bases in Georgia and Washington state.
He who can make the most—and largest—artificial sunrises wins.
Bismarck = our next national capital.
My Mother had an ancestor named McDuffie who killed Sir Giles D Argentine at the Battle of Bannockburn where the Scots under Robert the Bruce won Scottish freedom from England.
Wow, that heritage is interesting.
My great grandfather came on a boat to Ellis Island.
My Grandfather was in the 7th ID and went overseas in WWI.
Rhode Island. They’ve become warriors from having to fight clams.
Both my Grandfathers registered for the draft in WWI. I have actually seen the draft registration document for this area and sure enough both their names were there.
I am not sure why my Grandpa McDuffie even bothered as he was a farmer (over a thousand acres) had 12 children and was over 50. My other Grandpa was an ordained Baptist Preacher and did not even have to register but he did anyway. He was also over 50 and had 9 kids.
I did have a great Uncle who served, was gassed and got a permanent disability which made him quite the catch among the girls as this was a poor area and having an Army pension meant he had a lot of money at least for this area.
Sure enough he married the prettiest girl in the area.
Easy: The one with the most nukes
Nukes would have at best very limited usage.
It’s one think to nuke an island 5000 miles away.
Entirely different thing to nuke a city 125 air miles away.
I don’t see Americans nuking each other. But a nuclear arsenal is a mighty big stick, eh?
Remember when Robert E. Lee mentioned Florida, it was populated by native Floridians.
Now with all the Northern Yankee snowbird trash and Obama twins that have taken over the State General Lee would have to leave Florida out.
Texas produced 16,000 active duty in 2004 alone, Canada had 28,000 enlistments from 2003 to 2008.
I found a bunch of guys with my last name in the WWI draft records, but I did not see my grandfather.
My father was an engineman on a transport and later a minesweeper over there by Korea in the early fifties.
We have humblegunner.
Let’s not forget the volunteers from Tennessee who fought for Texas against Mexico!
My mother had ancestors in your area and Ireland, but we will never know about who they were, her family isn’t famous and wasn’t wealthy, but my father’s line got to England in 1066, so we might have had family bumping into each other.
Let’s draw up some brackets.
meeeeeechigan controls the greatest freshwater source in the free world. we are HEAVILY ARMED and would wipe you all out. canada to our north and east with a natural moat including dangerous waters surrounds us.
To see something weird in driving, watch people in Minnesota try to make a left turn in the city, they just can’t pull the trigger on a left turn, they wait until the road is completely clear, even squinting off into the distance looking for any signs of oncoming traffic.
Remember the River Raisin
Lets see, the liberals don’t like guns, they don’t like the military and manufacturing, I don’t see how the Republic of Kalifornia or New York can be on the top unless they count the gangbangers and thugs. I vote Texas, but I would like to see the South rise again.
In California people will make a left turn with tons of traffic n the way.
They will fall early.
Or he accidentally blows us up.
It is impossible to answer this question because you can’t know which states would align with which, except perhaps by region, nor how outside support could affect the outcome.
I've been there twice and studied their history and how they live now. I checked a grocery store and prices are really high because it all comes by ship. If you live in Hawaii and buy something from this country, your shipping charge raises the cost of that item so high you will think twice before you order it.
If no ships come, Hawaii dies. Planes can't get enough of anything there, it must be ships. Ships allow the many people who live there now, to live. Before ships, not many people lived on those islands.
I would not want to be in Hawaii surrounded by undrinkable water and no food or anything else coming in.
Interesting scenario. Do we get all the military assets in our state to work with?
The one with the most active missile silos.
In the story, Hispanics still Mexican citizens went back to Mexico. Mexico let them in but not anyone else who tried to flee the war.
Damned right! Most of these early postings seem to think that to win is defeat other states. I consider victory as "LEAVE US ALONE!" I'm 4th generation Texan. My family came here in 1839...
My thought, too. We also have oil and gas, coal, export electricity, and some pretty good export agriculture. I think we could even trade durum for some more exotic foods like bananas and citrus fruit. But we have food, fuel, electricity, livestock, even sources of salt and sugar. We'd be good until threatened, then unleash the dogs of war.
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