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If Every U.S. State Declared War Against the Others, Which Would Win?
Slate ^ | 11/29/2012

Posted on 11/29/2012 5:27:14 PM PST by djf

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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Louisiana (weak but they know how to party and make great food—they also have a great port city)

Weren't all that weak in 1812..............Just saying.
Still have a few pirate types and ne'er-do-wells types :)

101 posted on 11/29/2012 6:38:51 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: yarddog
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102 posted on 11/29/2012 6:39:09 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: vikingd00d

That is interesting.
In the cities the gangs have guns, they would eventually not be able to control the hungry population, so they would either have to raid other states or change.
The rural areas could take care of themselves and have guns and will defend themselves and neighbors.
This is such a fascinating question/discussion.


103 posted on 11/29/2012 6:39:40 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Tenacious 1

“They’ll tell you.” LMAO! That is so true! Born in Ballenger, center of state and though i moved out at 2 years old, i AM Texan to the core and will TELL anybody!!!


104 posted on 11/29/2012 6:39:50 PM PST by apostoli (Obama stash now includes FREE healthcare! oh, and OBAMAPHONES!)
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To: ansel12

Having lived in both southern and northern California, I’d say it’s probably worse up here. Drivers in SoCal suck less than those in NorCal.

I wish I had a dollar for every driver I’ve seen on Bay Area freeways driving 10-15mph under the speed limit, hunched over the wheel with white knuckles. And that’s when it’s dry!


105 posted on 11/29/2012 6:40:36 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

I totally agree with that.
When I go to another state I want to put a sing on my car that says ‘I learned to drive on the LA freeways, now get the hell out of my way”.
Wait will you drive in Colorado, they will pull over if its raining but drive 80 when is a blinding snow storm.


106 posted on 11/29/2012 6:44:35 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ansel12

Around 1990, I was at a gun show in Savannah, GA. There was a booth set up by the Sons of Confederate Veterans. I stopped by and talked to them for maybe a half hour. I think these guys were the most knowledgeable people I have ever been around concerning the WBTS.

They told me you could join if you had any ancestors who served in the Confederate Army. Beside my Mothers family who had a bunch who were in Alabama outfits, I had two GGFs who were in the 1st and 6th Florida. That was about all I knew but those guys told me both were considered some of the most elite soldiers in the whole Confederacy.

I have since looked up their histories and sure enough both fought in major battles until they were basically destroyed. What was left of both were reformed by combining about all the Florida Brigades into a new First Florida.


107 posted on 11/29/2012 6:45:19 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: djf

Power plants matter, but nowhere near as much as the grid. It would simply collapse in 49 states if TX shut off a huge chunk of the power to Cali. Too interconnected and simply would not be able to handle the shifting load. (Not even going to get into the power phase issues except to say “Boom”!)

Again, this isn’t supposition. TX STOPPED that kind of cascading failure before. Causing one would be trivial...


108 posted on 11/29/2012 6:48:45 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: humblegunner; Eaker; TheMom; Travis McGee; GeronL

Ping, interesting article and discussion you will enjoy.


109 posted on 11/29/2012 6:49:42 PM PST by mnehring
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To: yarddog

“He single handed destroyed a large portion of the Confederacy’s Armies.”

Maybe that’s why the US Army named a fort after him.


110 posted on 11/29/2012 6:49:56 PM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: piytar

I’ll throw a variable out for you on that one. Silicon Valley hackers versus Round Rock hackers fighting for control of Texas’ grid. That cyber war may be bigger than the gunpowder war.


111 posted on 11/29/2012 6:52:02 PM PST by mnehring
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To: svcw
California depends to a great deal on the Colorado River watershed ~ and without it, California is not particularly self-suficient with its current population.

They would have, instead, a massive refugee problem.

112 posted on 11/29/2012 6:53:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: djf

Here is the Quora thread with a ton more detail and analysis.
http://www.quora.com/Hypothetical-Battles/If-every-state-of-the-USA-declared-war-against-each-other-which-would-win


113 posted on 11/29/2012 6:54:01 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Good point.


114 posted on 11/29/2012 6:54:01 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: yarddog

My step dad was Sons of the Confederacy, and I keep meaning to get around to joining, when I can get it together based on my family.


115 posted on 11/29/2012 6:58:11 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: MikeSteelBe
Photobucket I think the Texas troops had a song which went something like this: You may sing about your Jackson or praise Robert E. Lee but John B. Hood of Texas played hell in Tennessee. I will say one thing for him. He was a fighter. He lost both legs and maybe arms too. This is the grave of my Great Grandpa, George Padgett who served in Co. H, 6th Fla. Infantry.
116 posted on 11/29/2012 7:00:25 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: ansel12

If forced to admit it, I think very highly of Texas. When we were first married, we lived in San Antonio and then Dallas. I like both places.

A few years before I had been engaged to one of the sweetest little girls you ever saw. She was from East Texas and as the saying goes, was prettier than a speckled pup.


117 posted on 11/29/2012 7:04:03 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: yawningotter

Sure they can create mobs of people, but what happens when a bunch of Texans starts shooting at them? ............................ Canada is near by, it worked during Nam. But its also the home of the 10th Mt. Div. and what is left of the 42nd ARNG.Div.. There will be some resistance, but RT 87 will have a traffic Jam.


118 posted on 11/29/2012 7:07:27 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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To: yawningotter

Sure they can create mobs of people, but what happens when a bunch of Texans starts shooting at them? ............................ Canada is near by, it worked during Nam. But its also the home of the 10th Mt. Div. and what is left of the 42nd ARNG.Div.. There will be some resistance, but RT 87 will have a traffic Jam. Also some area’s of Brooklyn will fight.


119 posted on 11/29/2012 7:08:22 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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To: qam1

I was referring to the city dwellers. The New York Army probably will be made up mostly of poorly educated and poorly motivated city people because the upstaters would not be as willing to fight for the goals of New York City. If The Unites States fell apart, the divisions would not be along just state or regional lines. I can see cities and rural areas within the same state waging their own private wars which would prevent them from thinking about forming alliances or taking on other states for several years. Even after the states began to stabilize “New York” or “Texas” would not have the same borders as before.


120 posted on 11/29/2012 7:12:49 PM PST by yawningotter
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To: yarddog

Having a ancestor at the battle of San Jacinto, my son is eligible for the Texas organization, that slips my mind.


121 posted on 11/29/2012 7:13:42 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: South40

I think the scenario is entirely wrong; ultimate victory would hinge on whomever could form an alliance with North Dakota, South Dakota and Wyoming. More strategic and tactical nukes in those states than the rest of the country combined, thanks to the presence of three Air Force ICBM wings and two bomber wings. Other assets worth having would be the Trident sub bases in Georgia and Washington state.

He who can make the most—and largest—artificial sunrises wins.

Bismarck = our next national capital.


122 posted on 11/29/2012 7:13:53 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: ansel12

My Mother had an ancestor named McDuffie who killed Sir Giles D Argentine at the Battle of Bannockburn where the Scots under Robert the Bruce won Scottish freedom from England.


123 posted on 11/29/2012 7:25:55 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: yarddog

Wow, that heritage is interesting.

My great grandfather came on a boat to Ellis Island.

My Grandfather was in the 7th ID and went overseas in WWI.


124 posted on 11/29/2012 7:28:35 PM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: djf

Rhode Island. They’ve become warriors from having to fight clams.


125 posted on 11/29/2012 7:34:06 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: MikeSteelBe

Both my Grandfathers registered for the draft in WWI. I have actually seen the draft registration document for this area and sure enough both their names were there.

I am not sure why my Grandpa McDuffie even bothered as he was a farmer (over a thousand acres) had 12 children and was over 50. My other Grandpa was an ordained Baptist Preacher and did not even have to register but he did anyway. He was also over 50 and had 9 kids.

I did have a great Uncle who served, was gassed and got a permanent disability which made him quite the catch among the girls as this was a poor area and having an Army pension meant he had a lot of money at least for this area.
Sure enough he married the prettiest girl in the area.


126 posted on 11/29/2012 7:38:37 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: djf

Easy: The one with the most nukes


127 posted on 11/29/2012 7:39:37 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: ExNewsExSpook
Who will have the most weapons and the people willing to fight? I cannot see NY or Californians willing to defend their dung heap unless forcibly made to do so. Most of the military men come from the former Confederate States, I believe almost 75% from one study. Patton stated that football was a good teacher of military men...what area of the country excels in football consistently? Besides the “Federal” military academies, which part of the country educates the majority of military members? I believe Texas A&M, VMI, and The Citadel have a tradition of educating and graduating quality military officers. Which part of the country still has a proud cohesive heritage that the liberals are trying to destroy?
128 posted on 11/29/2012 7:49:40 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Kevmo

Nukes would have at best very limited usage.

It’s one think to nuke an island 5000 miles away.

Entirely different thing to nuke a city 125 air miles away.

I don’t see Americans nuking each other. But a nuclear arsenal is a mighty big stick, eh?


129 posted on 11/29/2012 7:57:11 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: yarddog

Remember when Robert E. Lee mentioned Florida, it was populated by native Floridians.

Now with all the Northern Yankee snowbird trash and Obama twins that have taken over the State General Lee would have to leave Florida out.


130 posted on 11/29/2012 7:57:22 PM PST by Venturer
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To: vetvetdoug

Texas produced 16,000 active duty in 2004 alone, Canada had 28,000 enlistments from 2003 to 2008.


131 posted on 11/29/2012 7:57:37 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: yarddog

I found a bunch of guys with my last name in the WWI draft records, but I did not see my grandfather.

My father was an engineman on a transport and later a minesweeper over there by Korea in the early fifties.


132 posted on 11/29/2012 8:01:40 PM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: mnehring; humblegunner; Eaker; TheMom; Travis McGee; GeronL

We have humblegunner.

Texas wins.


133 posted on 11/29/2012 8:03:30 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: AlexW

Let’s not forget the volunteers from Tennessee who fought for Texas against Mexico!


134 posted on 11/29/2012 8:03:52 PM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: djf
Does each state have to fight each of the other 49 states? Then I would think the most populated state would win. Is this a draw playoff system? Then there is luck in the draw. I think a system like the NCAA final 64 would be a good format. All though you couldn't pair down 50 evenly. So you would have to have some bye fights. Maybe a mix of a double elimination/play off format. I'm saying California may get lucky and beat Texas once, but the West coast panty waist could never do it twice. Then some sleepers like Alabama may come in under the radar.
135 posted on 11/29/2012 8:04:17 PM PST by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: yarddog

My mother had ancestors in your area and Ireland, but we will never know about who they were, her family isn’t famous and wasn’t wealthy, but my father’s line got to England in 1066, so we might have had family bumping into each other.


136 posted on 11/29/2012 8:04:41 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: political1

Let’s draw up some brackets.


137 posted on 11/29/2012 8:07:45 PM PST by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: cripplecreek

meeeeeechigan controls the greatest freshwater source in the free world. we are HEAVILY ARMED and would wipe you all out. canada to our north and east with a natural moat including dangerous waters surrounds us.


138 posted on 11/29/2012 8:08:49 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (Fix Bayonetts!!!!!!! Time to fight!!!!!)
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To: svcw; ZirconEncrustedTweezers

To see something weird in driving, watch people in Minnesota try to make a left turn in the city, they just can’t pull the trigger on a left turn, they wait until the road is completely clear, even squinting off into the distance looking for any signs of oncoming traffic.


139 posted on 11/29/2012 8:14:09 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

Remember the River Raisin


140 posted on 11/29/2012 8:17:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: djf

Lets see, the liberals don’t like guns, they don’t like the military and manufacturing, I don’t see how the Republic of Kalifornia or New York can be on the top unless they count the gangbangers and thugs. I vote Texas, but I would like to see the South rise again.


141 posted on 11/29/2012 8:20:01 PM PST by grcuster
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To: ansel12

WOW!!!!
In California people will make a left turn with tons of traffic n the way.
They will fall early.


142 posted on 11/29/2012 8:20:40 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Eaker

Or he accidentally blows us up.


143 posted on 11/29/2012 8:27:27 PM PST by mnehring
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To: djf

It is impossible to answer this question because you can’t know which states would align with which, except perhaps by region, nor how outside support could affect the outcome.


144 posted on 11/29/2012 8:31:27 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: mnehring
Hawaii would die quickly. They can't live without ships arriving every day. Fuel for power comes in by ships. Not many people have air conditioning in their home due to the high cost of electricity. Food comes in by ships.

I've been there twice and studied their history and how they live now. I checked a grocery store and prices are really high because it all comes by ship. If you live in Hawaii and buy something from this country, your shipping charge raises the cost of that item so high you will think twice before you order it.

If no ships come, Hawaii dies. Planes can't get enough of anything there, it must be ships. Ships allow the many people who live there now, to live. Before ships, not many people lived on those islands.

I would not want to be in Hawaii surrounded by undrinkable water and no food or anything else coming in.

145 posted on 11/29/2012 8:33:04 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: djf

Interesting scenario. Do we get all the military assets in our state to work with?


146 posted on 11/29/2012 8:40:38 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: djf

The one with the most active missile silos.


147 posted on 11/29/2012 8:41:17 PM PST by Mike Darancette (I don't understand why the Boomers are so passive.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

In the story, Hispanics still Mexican citizens went back to Mexico. Mexico let them in but not anyone else who tried to flee the war.


148 posted on 11/29/2012 8:51:53 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: Tenacious 1
Only TX citizens know the State History better than they know national history. You know how you can tell if a person is from Texas? They'll tell you. They are proud of their self reliance and independence.

Damned right! Most of these early postings seem to think that to win is defeat other states. I consider victory as "LEAVE US ALONE!" I'm 4th generation Texan. My family came here in 1839...

149 posted on 11/29/2012 8:56:39 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Kozak
North Dakota. Fourth largest nuclear power on the planet....

My thought, too. We also have oil and gas, coal, export electricity, and some pretty good export agriculture. I think we could even trade durum for some more exotic foods like bananas and citrus fruit. But we have food, fuel, electricity, livestock, even sources of salt and sugar. We'd be good until threatened, then unleash the dogs of war.

150 posted on 11/29/2012 8:59:03 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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