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Should Republicans leverage going off the fiscal cliff?
The Washington Times ^ | November 29 | Henry D'Andrea

Posted on 11/29/2012 6:08:14 PM PST by conservativeforpalin

In the heated fiscal cliff discussions, Congressional Republicans are failing to use the only card that has been dealt to them: go off the fiscal cliff. President Obama’s big fiscal cliff announcement this week that Congressional Republicans should cave to the Democrats’ demands of letting the Bush-era tax cuts expire for top income earners has left few Republicans actually considering the president’s absurd proposal.

If the Republicans in Congress feel that since Barack Obama won reelection, they must cave to all his fiscal demands, they’ve proven themselves stooges. Still and all, Republicans have agreed to raise revenues but Democrats have yet agreed to cut spending and reform entitlements.

If Republicans assume they have nothing to bring to the table, they will cave, thus undermining the entire Grand Old Party platform of being the low tax sympathizers. Caving on taxes could, just like the election, prove to be detrimental to Republicans as many voters have little faith in the current GOP leadership and caving would likely trigger the loss of all faith.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: fiscalcliff; obama; top

1 posted on 11/29/2012 6:08:27 PM PST by conservativeforpalin
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To: conservativeforpalin

Well, with Bawlin’ Boehner at the helm in the House, I not only expect the ‘Pubbies to cave, but to dig the cave themselves!!

2 posted on 11/29/2012 6:31:09 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: conservativeforpalin
IMHO...The problem is....

we've become a “democracy...not the republic for “Which We Stand”...

But I'm preaching to the choir...

3 posted on 11/29/2012 6:32:35 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: conservativeforpalin

Let it go over, and let’s see how far it bounces.

This “fiscal cliff” is the fault of Washington, and mainly the Dems, though Republicans have played their part in it.

They own it. Let’s see them really try to fix it. What- is it going to make Republicans look worse to do that? Will the media make the Repubs look even worse than they already do?

Any “fix” isn’t going to fix anything, but put our children and grandchildren further into bondage.

We’re at a reckoning point. Might as well get started.

4 posted on 11/29/2012 6:36:46 PM PST by Clarence
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To: Clarence

I’m ready.. The current plan FULL SPEED AHEAD off the cliff.

After Obama’s increases.

99.9% POWER AHEAD off the cliff..

Lets get it over with. I’m ready. Those that aren’t. They where warned a year ago. The gravy train MUST stop. Republicans will NEVER win the “give me” vote. NEVER (DO YOU HEAR ME GOPe!?!?!??!)

5 posted on 11/29/2012 6:41:14 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cableguymn

Like Thelma and Louise, brother!

6 posted on 11/29/2012 6:47:33 PM PST by Clarence
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To: conservativeforpalin

Levin was talking about this subject on his program this evening. BO and his family are going to Hawaii for 3 weeks at a cost of several million dollars - which is more than 99.9% of the people earn. Maybe he should tell everyone again how much he cares about the middle class and why he is dragging all the security people and staff off to “keep him safe” instead of letting them spend the holidays with their family. If he were really interested in cutting expenses and the middle class, he would go to Camp David instead.

BO has spent most of the last year flying all over the country while campaigning. His job is in DC and it’s way past time he spent some chunk of time there.

7 posted on 11/29/2012 7:05:36 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Clarence

Let’s see them really try to fix it.”

Did you ever notice that most legislation or action by Congress is to fix some part of previous legislation which was passed to fix some part of previous legislation, etc. etc. etc.

8 posted on 11/29/2012 7:09:02 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: conservativeforpalin

well, let’s see... HusseinO has run up an extra $6 trillion in debt we’ll all have to slave years to pay off, if we ever can...
and HReid has prevented even a damned budget from passing for the last 3 or 4 years (so there is no audit trail “beginning point” to, someday, trace where they took all our money)

and now if we don’t raise taxes in an almost-nationwide-depression, which is exactly the OPPOSITE of what we need, if we don’t hike taxes even higher... it is suddenly a fiscal “cliff” ???

like, maybe, nothing bad has been done to us by WashDC these last 4 years?


All revenue (tax) bills must originate in the House of Representatives. If any of our taxes actually get raised instead of the obvious cuts we need.... we will KNOW who’s responsible, Congressman Boehner are you listening?

9 posted on 11/29/2012 7:25:55 PM PST by faithhopecharity (--)
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To: conservativeforpalin

Let it all collapse. Let taxes soar and the economy tank. It’ll stick to the democrats

10 posted on 11/29/2012 7:28:00 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: conservativeforpalin

If the republicans cave they need to talk constantly about how this is going to cause the economy to collapse. If they’ll say it the democrats will say they’re lying. What will they say when it colapses?

11 posted on 11/29/2012 7:45:09 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: Terry Mross

Who says the fiscal cliff is bad for the economy? Not me. I like the fact that people would no longer be able to collect unemployment checks for 99 weeks to support their families. I like that. Do you?

12 posted on 11/29/2012 7:53:43 PM PST by impimp
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To: conservativeforpalin
Negotiations 101 - if you have 1 chip to bargain with, don't hand it to your opponent before the cards are dealt. There's really no choice but to "go over the cliff".

There is only 1 point of near-agreement across several issues:

1) Low and middle class taxes:
Repubs = broaden the tax base but keep rates low
Rats = 50% pay no taxes then add taxes to pay for Obamacare

2) Taxes for those making >250K:
Repubs = lower rates and cap deductions to simplify rules
Rats = jack up rates and leave all of the complex social engineering rules alone

3) Capital gains, corp, and dividend taxes:
Repubs = keep low to produce econ growth
Rats = jack up to 39+%

4) Entitlements:
Repubs = reform to save
Rats = pretend all's well and wait for new higher taxes to cause a depression

5) Military spending:
Repubs = cut wasteful spending - like $100K study to determine Christian reaction to discovering aliens exist
Rats = slash missile defense, Naval ships, veteran care, and boost civilian surveillance

13 posted on 11/29/2012 8:08:52 PM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Grams A

There should be MASSIVE organized protests and demonstrations at the White House or elsewhere against the obama taxpayer vacations.

14 posted on 11/29/2012 8:09:52 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: conservativeforpalin
I think the pubbies proved themselves stooges long before the “fiscal cliff.”
15 posted on 11/29/2012 8:12:58 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: conservativeforpalin

Best I can tell, they are taking the position to hold fast on tax rate increases and give on deductions. I think that is the right approach. Higher rates are a disincentive to produce. They should preserve charitable contributions so it will be harder for the government substitute itself for charity work and make it harder for religious entities to exist. I don’t see a good reason for taxpayers to subsidize mortgage interest on really high dollar mortgages or even second homes, and I have a second home.

I believe the Rats are going to try to make us go off the fiscal cliff no matter what, and the Republicans will get the blame no matter what. So the Republicans should have the fall back that their position is reasonable and makes economic sense. The miscalculation the Rats will make is not understanding the public’s belief that spending should be reined in - which necessitates entitlement reform. If they run the economy further into the ground, the Rats will get the blame. Obama was elected under the premise that things were so bad he did not have time to get it fixed. People will eventually figure out that is utter BS.

16 posted on 11/29/2012 8:32:03 PM PST by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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