Skip to comments.Fatal shooting over music compared to Trayvon Martin case
Posted on 11/30/2012 6:06:29 AM PST by Uncle Chip
ATLANTA (AP) - The fatal shooting of a Florida teenager who was listening to loud music in a car a week ago has drawn comparisons to the Trayvon Martin case, but the differences are significant.
Unlike the Martin case, there were several witnesses to this shooting and there was no scuffle before 17-year-old Jordan Davis was shot to death. And notably, the man accused of firing into the car was arrested a day later.
Michael David Dunn is charged with murder and attempted murder in the Nov. 23 shooting at a Jacksonville, Fla., gas station. The 45-year-old Dunn parked beside the sport utility vehicle occupied by Davis and three other young men and told them to turn the music down, police said.
Dunn exchanged words with Davis, who was in the back seat, and started firing. He later told police he felt threatened. His attorney has said Dunn saw a gun and shot in self-defense, perhaps laying the ground work for a case under Florida's "stand your ground" law.
Standing over his son's casket, Ron Davis promised to fight laws that allow people to carry guns outside of their homes.
"Law enforcement should be the only people who should have guns on the street," he said. "That's what's killing our kids more than anything."
Police said they didn't find a weapon in the SUV with the young men, and Ron Davis said he doesn't believe Dunn's claim that he saw a gun. He thinks Dunn is searching for an explanation.
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Even if it was territory (and I don't buy that for a minute), the shooter invaded their space. He drove up to them and approached their vehicle.
No, I don't buy the whole 'territory' thing. Kids blast music. If this guy was annoyed, he should have called the cops. Instead, he took his annoyance and snapped, becoming a cold-blooded murderer. He could have just ignored the situation, walked away, called the police regarding the noise ordinance, turned his own music up, or laughed it off. He went out of his way to be the aggressor in a situation he had no justification in being one.
Good answer. There is a lot of confusion about the “stand your ground “ laws. They merely modify by statute the common law of self defense, which had a “duty to retreat”, if feasible. Stand your ground eliminates that duty from those claiming self defense.
There is also a procedural difference, at least in Florida. While self defense is an affirmative defense whcih must be assereted and proved at trial, stand your ground appears to be resolved in Florida by a pretrial hearing.
A little noticed news story in the Trayvon Martin case had Zimmerman’s lawyer stating that stand your ground is not applicable to the Martin/Zimmerman case, and I believe he’s right. Zimmerman’s testimony is that he was lying on the ground with Martin on top of him when he fired the shot, so he obviously had no opportunity to retreat.
So all the fuss about stand your ground was posturing and race-baiting by Jackson , Sharpton et al.
I'll add that idiots like Dunn who fly off at the handle and think anything is justification to shoot someone, threatens gun rights everywhere.
I believe what we are beginning to see is white people now reacting to the trend of unprovoked black on white assaults that have skyrocketed since Obama took power. I don’t think this will prove to be an isolated incident. White Americans have had it with the in your face black entitlement and ‘gansta’ culture.
A few weeks ago, my daughter was standing in line in a retail store when a young black man pushed his way to the head of the line and cut in. An older white man challenged him on this and he replied ‘we own you bitch’.
I agree with you. I was trying to use convoluted logic to make a point.
Too many folks imagine stand your ground applies only to someone who is armed. In a few minutes we can expect to find some of them on this thread arguing that if the man thought he saw a gun, it was a good kill ~ even though there was no gun.
At least one of them will tell us "it could have been a gun".
What are those grenade launchers...M-79s?
A truck load of rap blasting punks....ka-boom!
Have you seen this? Lets all put on our hoodies and crank our radios up...
How ridiculous. Even the kids in the car admitted to the police that the music was up TOO loud.
I think he was just out to get some ~ and figured they were so distracted by their sounds they wouldn't notice him slip up and shoot them.
I’m not justifying the shooter in any way - out of control, belligerent, stupid - if he gets a life sentence, fine by me.
I still say people making obnoxiously loud noises are aware that the are claiming territory.
Why if a stupid, belligerent black teenager kills a middle-aged white man for some stupid belligerent trivial impulsive reason, isn’t it national news?
You don’t have to answer that.
I think they were there only to grab a bottle of wine, not for gas.
Well, he should have hurried up and grabbed his wine-—LOL!
He had just enough hearing in one ear that if he turned the volume all the way up he could hear some music.
So, no, neither he, nor she, understood anything about what you are suggesting ~ and you should not always assume that folks playing loud music have normal hearing.
Note, I jumped ship on those two one day and started riding with this Lubovitcher fellow who played Schneersohen's sermons on the way to work.
NOTE: this was part of the Commuter pick up operation in Springfield VA. You had to have 3 people in your vehicle to use the HOV lanes. Otherwise you had to use the slow lanes. So everybody participated ~ the deaf, the blind, the holt, the lame, all God's chillun' ~ one of the more enlightening experiences you could have in this world ~ hitchhiking to downtown DC from Springfield.
I hadn’t thought of that - but even deaf people ought to consider the effect their loud music on others, at least if they have their windows open. Or are stopped in a populated area.
Kind of like people who soak themselves in perfume ... smoke cigars in elevators ... you might be anosmic and need a strong taste or scent to experience it at all but think of the rest of us!
Remember, a soft word turneth away wrath ~